Tlaloc

[DrunkenSalarr]

Tlaloc,

I can pronounce ever Imm's names but yours, and it's driving me batty.  How do you say it?

~DrunkenSalarr, who has tried several different was, and none seem to fit.

[gfair]

Tuh-lay-lock, emphasis on the lay, and Tuh-lay and I kinda shorten the Tuh, to represent the shortness implied when there is just a T, no vowel between the T and L.

[DrunkenSalarr]

I just had the wierd idea to run it through the text to speech on my comp. It came out pretty much like that.  What's funny though is when I had it try to say Krrx, it paused, then just spelled it out.

[Lazloth]

tlä-lk

[Bestatte]

Tee hee! That pronunciation is neat! I had it end "ahk" as in "clock" so I'll have to rearrange my thinking now.

[John]

I always pronounce it as Teh-lah-lock. Only quickly.

[Asnoboy]

As a person who lives in the land where Tlaloc used to be a god, and a native spanish speaker, i can say John's is the most accurate.

Maybe I'll post an pronunciation mp3 for Imm names....

[Callisto]

Hearing that name reminded me of a tribal in one of the Fallout games.

"Daisy do bad things, things that hurt! Now little tribal burns! Need to find medicine man quick!" - Name that character for bonus points or a gold star!

[Angela Christine]

As a person who lives in the land where Tlaloc used to be a god, and a native spanish speaker, i can say John's is the most accurate.

Err, Tlaloc wouldn't be a spanish word, would it?  The decendants of the Aztecs may be speaking spanish now, but they used to speak . . . Aztecian?  I'm not sure anyone knows how the word is supposed to be pronounced anymore, language is funky and fluid.  

When I see on of Shakespear's plays it takes a few minutes for me to understand the English, and they weren't written all that long ago.  Reading the written form of the play is a little more difficult yet, with some of the words and references having fallen out of common use and needing explanation.  Something Like the original form of the Cantabury Tales is almost incomprehensible, and Beowulf may be taught in English literature but the original form wouldn't be recognised by most modern english speakers.  A few hundred years makes a big difference.  

Just look at USA, Great Brittain and Australia, all are speaking english but pronounce many words differently.  Heck, people in eastern Canada use slightly different pronounciations than western Candada, which is different again from Boston or  Louisiana, despite the fact that english North America shares many movies, TV shows and music.  I assume that Spanish also has dialects and regional accents.  France has a department in charge of preserving the purity of the French language, but they get at least a little linguistic drift anyway.  I would expect the ancient Aztec language to be similarily fluid and changeable.

What does all this mean?  I don't know, but it's possible that several of the suggested pronounciations are correct, or that none of them are.  Since we are specifically discussing a modern fellow rather than an ancient god, I think whatever prononciation Tlaloc himself uses would be the correct one.  Like that Startrek:TNG episode where a doctor keeps pronouncing Data's name as Dah-ta and he informs her that it is pronounced Day-ta, prompting her to ask what the difference is.  He pauses for a moment and replys, "One is my name, the other is not."  Startrek references at 4 am, woo.   :roll:

AC

[Vendyra]

Tlah-lahk.  You can pronounce the t and l together; it's like a slight click.

[John]

Heck, people in eastern Canada use slightly different pronounciations than western Candada

They even spell it differently too.  :roll:

Want to know what's strange? No? Well tough luck. Australia doesn't have different accents for different places. All Australians speak the same. Wonder if it's cause Australia has less people then most other places, or if it's cause it's newer.....

John, pondering the important issues of the world.

[Tlaloc]

T'Lay-Lock is the closest way I can get to writing down how I go about pronouncing it (the way I've learned it, anyway).

Err, Tlaloc wouldn't be a spanish word, would it? The decendants of the Aztecs may be speaking spanish now, but they used to speak . . . Aztecian? I'm not sure anyone knows how the word is supposed to be pronounced anymore, language is funky and fluid.

The language of the Aztecs is/was called Nahuatl. Its still spoken and used in the area by the descendents of the Aztecs - so yeah, folks down there probably know how to pronounce it. 'Chac' was the corresponding god in Maya mythology.

If anyone has the chance, I highly recommend going to the Mexico City area to visit all the surrounding ruins (Teotihuacan, Tenochtitlan, etc). I'd recommend going to see the Maya stuff too, though its a bit farther down to the south/south east, and largely in other countries. However, the Yucatan has some great sites to visit.

There is also a large Tlaloc head at the Dallas Museum of Art on the Second Floor, which you can check out, for free. :wink:

-Tlaloc

[gfair]

If anyone has the chance, I highly recommend going to the Mexico City area to visit all the surrounding ruins (Teotihuacan, Tenochtitlan, etc). I'd recommend going to see the Maya stuff too, though its a bit farther down to the south/south east, and largely in other countries. However, the Yucatan has some great sites to visit.

Unfortunately for my present situation, I've not won a powerball lottery in 26 years.  But I do enjoy archaeology, and the knowledge that is going to come out of the Maya and Inca ruins now being unearthed and researched is going to explode our knowledge of the two cultures in the coming decades... it really is interesting stuff.  Also the Aztec historical sites, though I am less familiar with them than the South American cultures.

If you can't get down to South America or Mexico on a trip, I recommend Archaeology Magazine.

[deviant storm]

Tlaloc wrote

If anyone has the chance, I highly recommend going to the Mexico City area to visit all the surrounding ruins (Teotihuacan, Tenochtitlan, etc)

I went down there in my college days. Loved it all. Mexico city, Teotihuacan, Guanouato (sp?), San Miguel de Allende. It was all very cool.

Travel broadens the mind.

[creeper386]

When I see on of Shakespear's plays it takes a few minutes for me to understand the English, and they weren't written all that long ago.

Oh come now... You think Shakespearian is bad. Hahaha. I think Shakespearian english is fairly easy for the most part. Specially compared to how poorly now of days internet users spell, along with complete lack of punctuation capitalization and replacing letters with numbers and shortening the shit out of everything...

I also think Shakespearian english is alot easier then... Is it Edwardian or something? Next era back... Something like that... or maybe that one is newer... I don't know. But Shakespearian isn't that hard. Just got to think like you have not electronics and little in the way of technology and you got most of it right there!


Creeper who's mumbling since this topic is kind of done.

[Carnage]

Just out of curiousity, what makes internet typing crude and uncivilized and Shakespeare a high class work of art? Does using as many unheard of words as you can and vague symbolism suddenly make you a great writer?

Internet lingo is another form of written English on the rise and there's no way of stopping it.

[Shinigami]

Hmm, internet typing is born of lethargy and laziness on the part of the typist, whereas Shakespeare considered himself a poet and coined many of the terms that comprise 90% of the idioms in the english language?  Is it that Shakespeare's works were at least nominally grammatically correct, whereas most internet typists don't give a damn if they're even coherent?

Perhaps it's the fact that Shakespeare's works will endure for centuries, wheras internet typing styles almost invariably fade with education?  Or the fact that Shakespeare's works show up in quotes in almost every literary medium, whereas a 'd00d' is commonly implied to mean anti-social teen with little respect for anything outside of himself... to those who care what such ignorance means.

Shakespeare will endure long after the counter culture of haX0rz is laid to rest, without so much as a footnote in historical works.  Internet typing is a passing fad, and will be lost to the folds of time, or relocated to where it belongs, on the lips and fingers of 12-18 year old wannabes who haven't yet learned the beauty (or even basic grammatical workings) of the english language.  Like any fad, it appeals to the teenagers desire to belong, but once they grow out of it, it will be a bar joke in their mature years.

I almost feel sorry for the d00ds and haX0rz... they don't even realize the world is laughing at them.  No true hacker worth his salt would ever use 133t-sp33k, and according to most data gathered on hackers, none has.  Wannabes and children, or english-speaking persons... the great thing about the freedom of choice is that you can choose how you are percieved by others.  I am happy that the Armageddon community has chosen the second.

[Malifaxis]

3l337 haX0Rz 4ever!!!

-L0ng3r +h3n 3lv15

(I totally agree, sorry, just had to.)

[Carnage]

I'm not talking about l33t speaking. I'm talking about hey r u going to the mall 2nite? In a fast-paced world where people need to get going, being blunt and getting to the point is a virtue. How many people honestly read 100% of those 2 page essays that go on and on. Just make your point, cite any information, and keep it concise.

[Plazgoth]

Malifaxis,

Can you give a translatoion for those of us who are not l33t enough to understand it.

Thanks

[Bestatte]

3l337 haX0Rz 4ever!!!

-L0ng3r +h3n 3lv15

(I totally agree, sorry, just had to.)

Elite hackers forever!

-Longer than Elvis


-She who is not 1337 but has a basic understanding of the vocabulary.

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[Master Z]

I almost feel sorry for the d00ds and haX0rz... they don't even realize the world is laughing at them.

The problem with this kind of statement is that there is no standard "world" which picks on particular deviant groups and individuals for their unusual behavior. Its your world that is laughing at them, the world where proper English punctuation and capitalization is the true path to approval. Someone in their world, the word of d00d as it were, could make the exact same statement about you. For in their world, their behavior meets with approval.

I don't write this to defend this method of language in particular. I think its just that Shinigami's post shook me up a bit somehow... not meaning to pick on you in particular, but I kind of wanted to point this out. Perspective plays a huge role here. Some ways of thinking can lead to feeling superior based on such trivialities as language preferance. Is standard English "superior" to other dialects, languages, or methods of typing? Maybe. Should we feel supirior to those who choose not to use it? I don't think so. This goes both ways.

Reading back on what I've written, I can see where someone could read it to mean that I'm rebuking Shinigami's way of thinking. I guess responding to that post was somewhat arbitrary, and as a disclaimer I don't mean to make any assumptions about this individual's thought processes. The case is simply that the post got me thinking, and this is what I thought about.

[Shinigami]

*smiles* That's what discussion's all about, Z.

My response was a bit brusque, but I felt it necessary to rebuke comparing internet language to Shakespeare.  

Edit: No, what I meant wasn't what -this- discussion is about, but discussion in general.  It's about people voicing their opinions and respecting each other enough to be willing to disagree.  Basically, I was trying to say... "No hard feelings"   :wink: