Started by Lost in Language Land, February 13, 2003, 12:17:19 AM
Quote from: "CRW"What sort of clarification do you want?
Quote from: "Lost in Language Land"Frankly, your answer was surprisingly unhelpful and combative, CRW.
QuoteThe legendary dune traders of ages past, once travelling merchants of nomadic heritage who spoke Bendune, settled in the city-states at Gol Krathu and Vrun Driath somewhere in the neighborhood of one thousand years after the Dragon's departure from the Known World. At once they began to adopt the languages of their customers, who spoke mostly Sirihish. Within their homes, however, they continued to use their native Bendune speech. With the passage of generations, the younger family members, eager to assimilate more fully into the culture of the city-states, made increasingly larger use of Sirihan language structures. And, as time wore on, their native Bendune became so changed that it was categorized by scholars as its own language.Because of the history of Cavilish, it is sometimes referred to as the "Merchant's Tongue," since it is used almost exclusively by the current members and owning families of Merchant Houses.
Quote from: "Midland"1) I dont believe any shop keepers in Allanak, Tuluk or Luirs speak cavilish to joe blow when he comes by.
Quote from: "Midland"2) Did you consider it that those might have been IC House rules of the House you might have been trying for hire within?
Quote from: "Midland"3) Dropping into OOC to try and attempt to justify your argument with a "OOC that isnt what the documents say", isnt a good way of trying to win an IC disagreement on how things are.
Quote from: "Midland"4) Your IC actions cause whether or not you would be hired. If that's your BG, go for it, but dont get upset if how you play your character makes an employer decide you arent for their House. Maybe another House or clan will think that's great and pull you in.
Quote from: "Midland"5) I do believe it was posted at one time by the IMMS that you couldnt learn a language by overhearing it at a table anymore and to bring up IC that speaking the language at the table was teaching everyone around them the language, is using a code knowledge thing in an IC way. Try to not think of the things 'code' allows you to do as being the realistic way. As my pc tried to explain IC, that one doesnt learn a language by easedropping. One has to learn the sentence structure, the pronounciation, etc. That was because I was trying to role play how -realistically- a language would be learned. Not how a language is learned codewise.
Quote from: "Twilight"Most people loose this ability, apparently, as the years progess. Not all people do. People -are- able to pick up language by overhearing it, just as you did when you were a baby. Probably just the way their minds work.
Quote from: "John"It makes sense for Cavilish to be secretive (if not as secretive as Tatlum), and the reason is merchants want to have the upper hand as much as possible.
Quote from: "Found in Language Land"This would sort of disagree with what Tlaloc said, but *shrug*. Clearly you and I disagree rather strongly on this point.
Quote from: "Found in Language Land"Yes, I agree. I was SO boggled by what I was hearing, especially your suggestion that Cavilish was in no way related to Sirihish. I hope you'll recall I ended the OOC well before you did, and I apologize for going OOC in the first place, I wasn't even trying to argue there, mostly trying to explain why I didn't have adequate answers for your questions. Your suggestion that I needed to read the documentation more closely led me to believe I ought to Ask the Staff.
Quote from: "Found in Language Land"I'm sorry if anything in my original post caused you to believe I was upset. Again, I wasn't in any way, shape, or form asking about your house's hiring policies. I had thought that to be both a bit too IC, and not worth pursuing. Obviously, houses and clans can make up whatever rules they please. I simply wanted to know for future reference whether my RP was totally off-base. From what I'm seeing, I was to some degree.
Quote from: "Found in Language Land"Our conversation was extremely mundane, and didn't seem worthy of using a language you seemed so interested in keeping secret. I don't recall having mentioned anything ICly or OOCly about how the code works (since I most definitely have no idea), this was, again, something you began arguing about OOCly in-game.
Quote from: "Found in Language Land"I certainly wasn't hoping (in-game or out) for a critique of my RP, or my familiarity with the documentation.
Quote from: "Midland"No, its pretty much a fact. Go to all the shops and look and see what language they are speak or any wandering merchant npc.
Quote from: "Midland"I know in one city I was in, my d-elf couldnt understand any npc shop keeper.
Quote from: "Impska"First, Midland, just because merchants don't automatically change to cavilish when you speak cavilish to them, doesn't mean they don't know it, and doesn't mean you can't think outside the code a little and pretend they do. To use your own suggestion..
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