Not Fair

[Anonymous]

Once again I must question how fair it is that Tuluk citizens must shuck out coded sids (usually their starting money) to get coded citizenship tattoos.

[Tamarin]

I agree that these should be available in the Hall of Kings.

[Xygax]

We definitely need to fix the documentation if you believe in your heart of hearts that Zalanthas is a "fair" place.  That said, I do agree that citizenship tattoos are a good candidate for the Hall of Kings.  I believe other staffers are working on that, though I don't know how high-priority the effort is.

-- X

[My 2 sids]

"We definitely need to fix the documentation if you believe in your heart of hearts that Zalanthas is a "fair" place."

This would be an OOC issue, not an IC one...  Earth, not Zalanthas

[Puppet]

But the point is that SOMETIME in the course of your characters life, you're going to have to pay to get those tattoos... so why not just pretend that you didn't have that extra 100 sid at start-up and just buy the tattoos.

[My 2 sids]

Pretend?  

Characters are approved with hair decorations and other tattoos all the time, yet they get starting money.

Last I knew starting location didn't affect starting money.

[Puppet]

Yeah, pretend, why not? When I start off I make a quick round about town and grab some things that I think my character would have and "pretend" that they've had them for a while.

Why should it be any different with this?

[Maybe42or54]

And if an allanaki commoner got them, then obviously they would learn quickly enough not to do it.

[Cale_Knight]

Why not just pretend? Because it's a necessary expense for Tuluki citizens. What you're basically saying is that you agree with the fact that all Tuluki citizens should start with 150 less 'sid than everyone else by default. And honestly, I see absolutely zero reason why that should be the case.

[Yang]

Oh? And Allanaki citizens have to pay hugely inflated prices for water. I'm still not entirely convinced that this situation is somehow unjust, though naturally, I believe that anything that's supposed to be on most Tuluki characters from childhood should be as easily available as they need to be in order to properly reflect this fact in an IC player environment. These tattoos, and lack thereof, have begun to really effect day to day role play in the north, and likely elsewhere. For -that- reason, I should say they must be somehow made more easily available, not because I believe that a 150 'sid startup fee is somehow cripplingly wretched for the majority of Tuluki players.

[Dalmeth]

I'm not entirely sure if Yang touched on this, but a lot of new northern PCs are coming in with no tattoos.  It's a real bummer.

[jmordetsky]

some clans have places to get clan tattoos for 0 sid.

why not just make the tuluki tatoos free?

[bloodfromstone]

I'd much prefer, for the sake of new players, that they be provided upon creation. I'd hate to be the newbie trying to explain why I'm a citizen but don't have (and probably didn't realize I was supposed to have) tattoos.

[Adhira]

As Xygax noted previously, this is something that is currently being worked on for the Hall of Kings.

[Gaare]

Is it really hard to accept the fact your PC will begin with a hundred coins less? A hundred coins for a decent-lived PC means almost nothing. I mean, come on, that's not a big deal, it is hardly even a small deal..It is tiny.

Adding that tattooist in Hall of Kings is not that good idea, because some newbies may like the shape of those tattooes. There should be some other place after you choose to play the city, like enterance hall of Tuluk, where you may buy your tattooes (Still a newbie can buy 5 pronged star tattooes all over her body thinking it looks cool). For me, I see tattooist matter is little to no importance. It costs only one hundred coins!

[Salt Merchant]

Is it really hard to accept the fact your PC will begin with a hundred coins less?

Of course it can be played around. Just as if, for some reason, any character starting in Allanak automatically had average or below wisdom, that too could be played around.

But why should it be? Some people just seem to reflexively defend the status quo.

[moab]

Man, the things people complain about!

It's a hundred and fifty freaking sids.

If you start in Tuluk as a Tuluki citizen you should just suck it up and buy them.

Every starting location has its issues, this is Tuluk's.

I wish that Tuluki merchants would inflate the price of goods for anyone without a tattoo and drop them a bit for their own fellow citizens.

To me this makes sense and would serve to help highlight hte differences between south and north.

[My 2 sids]

"It's just a little tea and stamp tax, what's the big deal?" ~ British loyalist

The big deal isn't the money; its idea of having to shell out coded sids just because a player decides to choose one starting location over another.  We get starting gear, full stomachs, and an opportunity to add scars all before our characters enter the game BECAUSE it represents what the characters would have done with their lives before we took hold of them.  The argument remains that a citizen of Tuluk would have gotten the tattoos near birth or youth and thus should already have them when we start playing the characters.

All Tuluki citizens bear a tattoo of a blue and purple inked band somewhere on their head, face, neck, or upper shoulders, signifying their origin in Gol Krathu.  

~ it's right there in the Docs.  It isn't something a lot of them get, it isn't something to get when starting a new carrier, it isn't something to add because they look pretty:  they just have them.    

Further still the Docs also take into account –wear- locations and specify this would be an instance where one could email the mud and have these tattoos placed in their description.  I say if that's the case then why should any player be forced to have their character pay money at all?

[Gaare]

The tattooist is just at most eight or ten rooms away from Tuluk starting location. I am sorry, if I am being dumb here, but I still could not get it. After all those coins are random values. Would you get angry to someone else when she start with 1K and you with seven hundred?

Also, one hundred obsidian coins can not be considered as punishment or a drawback. It is no stat, it no some rare gear, it is not mutation, ... it can not affect your PC's future life.. it is .. nothing! It is only one hundred obsidian coins and ten rooms walk (1minute.. or two or thirty secs.?). Even I am too lazy to consider short walks as marathons, I do think it is not a matter of importance.

[Salt Merchant]

What I don't understand is, if it doesn't matter, why defend the way things are so vigorously?

Do you believe it was the intent of the Imms when they added the tattoos in that the cost should be absorbed from the starting coins? Xygax has already indicated that this isn't the case, and that there may already be staff working on putting it into the Hall of Kings.

Really, the discussion should have ended right there... unless you have a strong reason that it should be left as it is? Please let's hear it then.

[Cuusardo]

Some Tulukis do inflate prices, treat differently, ignore, etc. people without the Tuluki caste tattoos.

[Rindan]

Wow people.  Take a deep breath.  I honestly don't think the issue is the money.  I very much want to see the tattoos slapped on the second someone points at the north, but only because your average n00b is going to have no idea that he needs them.  I would rather untattooed n00bs not be the norm.

[moab]

Now that (Rindan's argument) is a well-reasoned argument!