Magicker Spawn!

[amish overlord]

I wasw just thinking about this. How would magickers children be treated in both north and south, specifically children without accursed magick. Wanted to generate discussion on this, I expect most people would be wary. Also what would such a persons attitude be towards magick itself be. Would they try to be like everyone else or sympathize with magickers or secretly sympathize but pretend to hate. Would northerners just go out kill such children of magickers even though not a magicker out of fear, i expect so.

Just wanted to see opinions.

Amish Overlord  

[Spiegel]

I think we'd see about as much hidden sympathy for a magicker child as individual's would have for a magicker itself. Honestly, I'd find it very odd to see anyone treating the child in a friendly manner, due to the stigmas attached to magickers (both gemmed and otherwise). What sort of commoner really knows what the child is capable of, or if some sort of magick abilities have been given to them by their parents?

In the North, I'd definitely imagine this child as having a very, very short life. Probably disappearing the moment the Templarate heard that a spawn of an abomination had been set within their City. "Some Southron plot, no doubt!".

In the South, I figure the child's only companions would be the parents, or gemmed which sympathize with the fate of the child, having known similar discrimination all their lives. Regardless of if the child was non-magickal or not, the taint that their parents were gemmed would be enough for almost any citizen.

Overall, the best hope for the kid, in the eyes of a parent? If it didn't portray magickal abilities... wrap it up in a blanket and leave it somewhere. Might sound harsh, but definitely in either City the kid would have a much better chance at a 'normal' life having never known who exactly their parents were. I wouldn't be surprised if this was something relatively common, rather than passing the burdens of their own 'taint' upon their own children.

[Twilight]

I think there would be an innate wariness that the taint might be passed to the child.  And while they might be perfectly normal for the first forty years of their life, elementalism can show itself at any time during a person's life, so you just never absolutely know.

That said, I think, at least in the south for gemmed, there would be some rather stereotypical ways things were handled.  Children might become affiliated with the elemental "temple" of one of their parents.  They might grow up with their parents, then suddenly disappear, showing up in another part of the city, or even another city, where no one knows them.  And their parents might sell them into slavery.

In the north, people who have even talked to a magicker can disappear, to say nothing of an actual known child of a magicker.

[Rindan]

I have a feeling that in the North, there would be a very strong likelihood of the child 'disappearing'.  Northern commmoners are scared shitless of magikers and have a habit of forming mobs to kill the magiker even before templars can take care of them.  I would be very unsurprised if a child born of magiker parent wouldn't wake up to find a knife to its throat from a commoner who just snuck in.  I would give the child of a magiker very long odds in Tuluk.

In the south, I think the child probably stands a better chance.  If the child was raised inside the elementalist quarters, the child would stand a pretty fair chances of getting living if when they were old enough they left and never spoke of their parent's abilities.  Allanak is big enough to get lost in.  Of course, if child would likely have to never see his parents again - or, in the very least, meet them in absolute secrecy.  Being linked to magiker parents in Allanak might not get you assassinated as quickly as it would in Tuluk, but you certainly would be stigmatized.  I think being a 'rinth elf would be preferable to being known as the son or daughter of a gemmed.

[Cenghiz]

Err...
Just to add, because I agree all the things above.. Allanak also contains gemmed who are -maybe forcefully- respected by the usual commoners. Oashi gemmers, Tor warmages and templar pets usually have the power to force themselves into the society, not into the Trader's Inn of course, but into Bard's Barrel.
A child of such mage would be lucky if he also has some link to an element. He would probably be viewed as a fine tool who possibly has some of the power his parent contains.
But a mundane child of a mage, even a famous mage? Eh, a hard life would await for him in the least.
Some tribes view elemental magick as a blessing. I don't want to give the name, since it may be IC but at least one tribe officially accepts rukkians and vivaduans as blessed folks. Also nearly all tribes made by players - :twisted: - and even some d-elves accept elemental magick as far as I know. They would probably view the child as a blessed person, a person with possible abilities.

[pet peeve]Really, half the d-elf magickers I've met were from a tribe with a random name, a player-made tribe which views its magickers as holy folks. And I confess I'm guilty too, at least once.[/pet peeve]

[Cuusardo]

Northern commmoners are scared shitless of magikers and have a habit of forming mobs to kill the magiker even before templars can take care of them.

In all the times I played in Tuluk, I never, ever saw an angry mob form, chase down and kill a magicker.  This is kind of contrary to people being afraid of magickers.  Your average Joe doesn't know what a magicker can do, and he also doesn't know what a magicker's children are capable of.

[Dalmeth]

All of you people claiming that the child of mage in Tuluk would dissappear have got one point missing.  If the people in Tuluk knew a magicker was about, the magicker would dissappear before a child could have even been born.

[Spiegel]

I was under the impression that the original post asked how the child would be treated, not if he'd survive 'til birth. However, I think it's a pretty much given fact that if your a magicker in Tuluk, pregnant or not, you're in a severe amount of danger.

I doubt the Templarate there would have much mercy in terms of "I'm giving you this license to kill H- Huh? She's pregnant?! Oh! Well then.. Forget the whole backstabbing thing! Just.. Give her this basket of fruits, for me, hmm?"

Kidding aside, Tuluk -> Magick -> Death. Doesn't matter if you've been around for 50 years, or 50 seconds. You're done.

[Anael]

All of you people claiming that the child of mage in Tuluk would dissappear have got one point missing. If the people in Tuluk knew a magicker was about, the magicker would dissappear before a child could have even been born.

Non-magickers can have a child with magickal talents.
Also, I believe a magicker can have a child without magickal talents, but the chance may be lower.

[Cuusardo]

No one really knows what the chances are.  It's one of the great mysteries of magick that scares people.

[bloodfromstone]

Great topic. This is something I've been unsure of how to handle in the past.

[Dalmeth]

Non-magickers can have a child with magickal talents.
Also, I believe a magicker can have a child without magickal talents, but the chance may be lower.

That isn't the point of this thread.  The issue is how children from known magickers would be treated.  I just gave my opinion on the situation in Tuluk.  Any comments?

[picklehead]

Anael wrote:
Non-magickers can have a child with magickal talents.
Also, I believe a magicker can have a child without magickal talents, but the chance may be lower.


That isn't the point of this thread. The issue is how children from known magickers would be treated. I just gave my opinion on the situation in Tuluk. Any comments?

And they're saying that a non-magicker can give birth to a magicker. In other words, the parent of a soon-to-be magicker child wouldn't necessarily dissapear in Tuluk before the birth, since they themselves are not a magicker.