City Elves in Tuluk

[Kankman]

Here's a quandry. In Allanak city elves are fairly deeply rooted. They've been around there probably as long as there's been a marketplace with people to rip off.

Of course, in Tuluk they'd have been there since the start, but with all the destruction, would any tribes have survived and not bothered to leave at some point? I mean, for an elf that's used to alleys to be left in the destruction of Tuluk, out of walls.. Wouldn't they be kind of left to scatter, finding a way to Allanak if they're lucky or likely finding death in the scrubs?

For these reasons, might there be less city-elf population in Tuluk? That could easily be made up for by the transient desert-elf traders, but the numbers of true city-elves might be much smaller than in Allanak. It is possible that after the reconstruction some city tribals came back out of the woodwork, but also quite likely most if not all of the older tribes died.

So what's the deal? Is Tuluk filled with a bunch of tribeless elves, young tribes, or tribes just as old as the sand?

[Maybe42or54]

Well. There probably are tribes that have migrated from Allanak to Tuluk in search of the greener grass during the Revolution.
Then, there are probably elves that have stayed in Tuluk since there are many easy marks there. Not to mention some tribes could send elves to the city just to rip the occupants off.

[Xygax]

I can't see why city-elves would be any less likely to immigrate to New Tuluk than humans.

-- X

[Kankman]

I can't see why city-elves would be any less likely to immigrate to New Tuluk than humans.

Elves, not being included in the heirarchy of human society have little reason to hold ties to a city-state. After the destruction of Tuluk, they would probably be more likely to emmigrate, having no reason to support the rebels and no city as they knew it to thrive in. Once they've already resettled, why bother heading back if things are going alright?

The main point of my question is the average tribe age of city-elves in Tuluk. The destruction likely caused many tribes to be wiped out, and other tragicly fragmented. Operating under the assumption that a good portion of these tribes were located soley in Tuluk and not spread across the known world, might most of the tribes in Tuluk now not be more than a generation or two old?

[Maybe42or54]

Kankman. They may still believe life ina  city is a lot easier then life in the wastes and migrated back into the city. Since they can legally be thieves now.

Other reasons:
No really established law makes targets easier to get and easier to get away from.
Harder to get caught.
Grass is greener on the other side of the fence. Always.
Too many tribes in the wastes.
No halflings in the cities.
No mantis in the cities.
Easier in the cities.
No Bahamets.
No raptors.
No crazy magickers that destroy everything and their own mom.

[Kankman]

Other reasons:
No really established law makes targets easier to get and easier to get away from.
Harder to get caught.
Grass is greener on the other side of the fence. Always.
Too many tribes in the wastes.
No halflings in the cities.
No mantis in the cities.
Easier in the cities.
No Bahamets.
No raptors.
No crazy magickers that destroy everything and their own mom.

All the more reason they would have migrated to Allanak rather than stayed in the the area of Tuluk.

[Anonymous]

No one would willingly migrate to Allanak I think.

The elves have been there since before the destruction of Tuluk. They helped in the rebellion after it was destroyed. They have remained since its reconstruction. There would never have been any reason for the elves to have left their home.

No.

[Dynas]

Elves, not being included in the heirarchy of human society have little reason to hold ties to a city-state. After the destruction of Tuluk, they would probably be more likely to emmigrate, having no reason to support the rebels and no city as they knew it to thrive in. Once they've already resettled, why bother heading back if things are going alright?

While the people of Tuluk may not have all lived in the city of Tuluk for as long as those in Allanak have inhabited Allanak, the destruction of the city didn't mean an end to all life. In fact, a large portion of the population remained as we're talking about roughly 400,000 people whom if they had suddenly re-immigrated to the north after the liberation would mean for a very large decrease in other areas of civilization which would have been abundantly clear. I don't recall seeing that drastic of a change in the rest of the world myself so I'm assuming here that it didn't happen but instead, the inhabitants of Tuluk that survived the destruction of the city, a large number at that, managed to remain in the region (within the reminants of Tuluk or in outlying villages).

Where the people dwell in mass, I'd think city elves would dwell as well since there's ample opportunity to further their own gains. So IMO, I don't believe the city elves would have emmigrated largely but rather clung around to their native homes where they could use their understanding of the native cultures to their advantage in furthering their ambitions. There's no real reason to leave as I see it.

[Kalden]

I can't see why city-elves would be any less likely to immigrate to New Tuluk than humans.

How about the fact that the road is very dangerous, especially for a large mass of people on foot. They can't even hitch a ride up on a caravan.

The entire tribe could be wiped out easily. Would they leave some people back in Allanak and keep in touch? Would the tribal bond maintain over long distances?

These are questions I'd actually like to hear someone take a stab at, out of curiosity. Are there city-elf tribes that live in both cities?

[Xygax]

Yes, there are absolutely city-elf tribes living in both cities, and yes they exist in equivalent proportion to humans in both cities.

-- X

[SpyGuy]

And remember that tribes in both cities aren't merely thieves.  Trading is an ingrained part of elven culture and a good trader is on par with a good thief.  My typical image of a city elf is the rinth thief, the dark and sinister elf looking to stab you in the back or nick the sword from your belt whenever he can.  But I feel the traders are the under represented city elves in the PC population (note: I'm not saying this is a bad thing, indeed a city elf trader with no supporting tribe would have many difficulties).  And so city elves in Tuluk would clearly know how to work wood, vines and other northern items.  They'd starve if they tried to move from their livelihood, and why would they even want to go to Allanak with its fierocious templars who have no love for either elves or northerners.

That with the dangers of going to Allanak in the first place, the still large presence of people left after the destruction and all sorts of stuff makes me feel that city elves have just never left.  Now I'm sure many tribes were wiped out during the destruction, likely many afterwards were splintered as some tried to make it to 'nak and others stayed.  And new tribes were perhaps formed as two tribes joined or scattered orphans bonded together.

As with anything I'd say take alot of freedom with it.  If you want to say your current tribe is descended from an ancient northern tribe, go for it.  Doesnt even have to be true but maybe it is.  And if you want it to be a brand spanking new tribe formed from the remains of the destruction, all the more power to ya.  Personally I wish northern, southern and 'rinth city elves got a bit more documentation and maybe small organization but everyone has their wishlists  :twisted:

Ok, rambling over.

[Mean_Old_Bastard]

Damn.

Seriously. Planting even more ideas for characters in my head. Now I actually have several ideas ready for my next lik 4. Although I better right them down because I can only remmber two....:/

[joyofdiscord]

Yes, there are absolutely city-elf tribes living in both cities, and yes they exist in equivalent proportion to humans in both cities.

-- X

I'm not sure I understand.  Do you mean, as I think Kalden did, individual tribes which have members in both cities?  A city tribe spread between two cities, so to speak?

[Gaare]

IMHO, for a tribe the land they were born has more meaning then just a safe place to live. There is a dedication and love for the land itself. The feeling of being part of the it..

Also, being a refrugee to another City which they know as source of evil and in the middle of desert probably was not an option for the elves of Tuluk.


/Detrailment/

Seems I am mistaken but, I thought templarates of both cities destroyed large tribes in the past, preventing them to unite under a single name. If there is still large known tribes in cities, can you give a few names of them we can use in the future? Thanks.