Quote from: Windstorm on April 22, 2024, 04:23:08 AMThis particular change is making it so dwarves, giants, and lunkhead humans who chose Wisdom last can grind productively more often.

Honestly I kinda wish every race had the same rate of gaining XP. Right now elves are incredibly good because Dex was massively buffed and they learned skills incredibly quickly because of their good wisdom. The combat changes basically made it so Strength = Dexterity when it came to balance, which is good, but the main issue imo was that Wisdom > Endurance. Strength races were paired with Endurance and Dex races paired with Wisdom. This is why towards the end of old Arm's playtime, there were very very few half giants, dwarves and muls compared to before the change.

Also I just think xp gain is more of an ooc advantage, grinding isn't fun, I don't want to have to grind more just because I want to play a different race, that's not even to mention that dwarves, muls and half-giants get the short end of the stick roleplay wise anyway, so anything to make them more bearable is good thing I think.

Quote from: Kavrick on April 22, 2024, 01:19:06 AMI generally like anything which lessens the grind

I mean I do like agree with this, but this isn't what this particular change is doing.

This particular change is making it so dwarves, giants, and lunkhead humans who chose Wisdom last can grind productively more often.

Quote from: Agent_137 on April 22, 2024, 12:57:10 AM

Quote from: Riev on April 21, 2024, 10:15:29 PMCan I just ask what the "problem" was that this is intended to fix, or at least address?

It's in the announcement

QuoteThe overall goal of this is to help towards making a small reduction in The Grind for most characters.  It also introduces a new dynamic when considering character stats if you are concerned about learning skills more quickly.

So the problem its attacking is "the grind for skills takes too long".

But per the announcement, the only instances where "the grind" takes less time is when you TOTALLY DON'T SUICIDE for high wis and high primary stats. In fact in a couple cases the skill learning is the same or slower. It only serves to benefit in the case where you dump-stat Wisdom but still got a high other stat.

So it really seems to only encourage continuing to dumpstat wisdom because now you're not punished for your choice, or suiciding because if you get high strength + decent wisdom you get a MUCH higher learn rate than before.

I disagree that as presented, it will reduce the grind for anyone but the people who already are willing to game the system to get a combat-oriented character.


That said? Watch and Scan should both be wisdom. I can see watch being on agility, considering if you use it with guard, you'll want high agility to succeed in saving someone. But it doesn't make sense without that explanation.

I generally like anything which lessens the grind, this is cool and flavorful, I enjoy the idea of having it so my character has talent in some skills and not in others. But I will say this does point out a weird flaw that wisdom is just a strange stat. Dump statting and trying to decide your stats is already strange in a game that only has four stats and RNG in character creation. Most rpgs have around 6 stats which gives you more room to decide what to focus and what to lessen, four stats means having one bad stat is still 25% of your stats being low.

Honestly though, I don't know how to fix this, I don't have a suggestion because adding more stats would be huge work, so aside from that, I like this change! Very forward thinking.

Quote from: Riev on April 21, 2024, 10:15:29 PMCan I just ask what the "problem" was that this is intended to fix, or at least address?

It's in the announcement

QuoteThe overall goal of this is to help towards making a small reduction in The Grind for most characters.  It also introduces a new dynamic when considering character stats if you are concerned about learning skills more quickly.

After some pause to give it due thought, I still don't like these changes? At all? Lowering the importance of wisdom so more people can just, like, by the stats, be unga bunga cavemen and more easily achieve SWORD MASTA status isn't a good thing.

Maybe this was just misguided if well-intended, possibly towards reducing grind? But the end result at least appears to be a full on negative likely to exacerbate problems, not solve them.

Bump all this is really good

I'm curious why scan is 'wisdom' but 'watch' is agility. Do you require agility to watch someone's face? Or the southern direction? Why should this be the one perception skill that is agility?

Other than that, it seems odd and gamey, but I don't really care either way.

Can I just ask what the "problem" was that this is intended to fix, or at least address?

The other issue with this is that it makes the rich get richer in that those lucking out with high stat rolls will now be even better at life, skills and everything than a character with a crap roll.