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Similarly, I had mentally read "advice about complaints" in general, including potential player bans, rather than purely staff complaints.

There is likely a debate about player advocacy. And I think it will be difficult to give advice without some direct communication with the complainant.

But Halaster's clarification helps understand the intention.

Quote from: CirclelessBard on Today at 06:02:51 AM

I feel like the player committee will have two opposite duties: being notified after a ban and being notified before one. It seems like an opening for an unjustly banned player to assume that the player committee has failed them, even if that assumption is misplaced. I hope staff will at least consider notifying the player in the ban message whether the player committee has already reviewed the ban, or whether the review is pending.

The Player Committee will not be review bans before they happen.

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1.  Once a staff complaint is received and the Producer Team makes a decision on how to handle it, they will first relay that decision to the Player Committee for advice before finalizing it to the player making the complaint.  The Producer Team retains the final authority on how they are handled, but will be seeking counsel from the Player Committee when doing so.

2.  When a player receives a ban from the game the Player Committee will be notified of the details.

It's important not to read into this what you want it to be, but rather what it will be as described.  I don't mean for that to sound rude, because I understand the tendency for people to read more into something than what it is.  I can sometimes do that too.

Another way to put this:

Staff Complaints:  The Player Committee will have the opportunity to weigh in before a Staff Complaint is resolved.  The Producer Team may or may not take their advice.  They/we would be ill-advised to ignore their advice, but it is an advisory role.

Bans:  The Player Committee will be notified of a ban, with details, after the fact.  This is in lieu of notifying the entire playerbase.

Thanks for clarifying. Somehow I had heard "staff complaint" through the screenreader and thought it would include "player complaints", i.e. the player committee will provide advice on staff resolving player complaints. But now I get it.

I feel like the player committee will have two opposite duties: being notified after a ban and being notified before one. It seems like an opening for an unjustly banned player to assume that the player committee has failed them, even if that assumption is misplaced. I hope staff will at least consider notifying the player in the ban message whether the player committee has already reviewed the ban, or whether the review is pending.

The Player Committee will not be review bans before they happen.

1.  Once a staff complaint is received and the Producer Team makes a decision on how to handle it, they will first relay that decision to the Player Committee for advice before finalizing it to the player making the complaint.  The Producer Team retains the final authority on how they are handled, but will be seeking counsel from the Player Committee when doing so.

2.  When a player receives a ban from the game the Player Committee will be notified of the details.

It's important not to read into this what you want it to be, but rather what it will be as described.  I don't mean for that to sound rude, because I understand the tendency for people to read more into something than what it is.  I can sometimes do that too.

Another way to put this:

Staff Complaints:  The Player Committee will have the opportunity to weigh in before a Staff Complaint is resolved.  The Producer Team may or may not take their advice.  They/we would be ill-advised to ignore their advice, but it is an advisory role.

Bans:  The Player Committee will be notified of a ban, with details, after the fact.  This is in lieu of notifying the entire playerbase.

I feel like the player committee will have two opposite duties: being notified after a ban and being notified before one. It seems like an opening for an unjustly banned player to assume that the player committee has failed them, even if that assumption is misplaced. I hope staff will at least consider notifying the player in the ban message whether the player committee has already reviewed the ban, or whether the review is pending.

I am closing this topic at the moment as currently this is not being constructive and folks can pretty much not follow the rules on it.  If you have a complaint about the moderation team, please do via a request, and it will be reviewed by mansa, the Head Moderator, and myself.  If you are going to just antagonize and be spiteful, it doesn't help and breaks our first rule.  It takes everyone to make a good community, and the soft hand approach it trying to be utilized first.  Thank you.