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Title: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Brokkr on July 18, 2021, 11:55:48 AM
This may be a tricky walk between what is presented and TMI.  But if you want to discuss, here we are!
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: Dar on July 18, 2021, 12:05:38 PM
Irregardless?   Irregardless?

Sigh. I need some Tho.
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: Veselka on July 18, 2021, 12:46:44 PM
Nice shit.

I miss the 'Coming Soon....' stories. This definitely scratches an itch in the game, and makes me wish original submissions were more accessible and easier to submit to.
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: Barsook on July 18, 2021, 01:56:48 PM
Niiiiiice.
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: Vox on July 18, 2021, 02:55:26 PM
Thanks for the peek, looking forward to more!

p.s. Does she need a brother? I seem to be between characters now..
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: stoicreader on July 18, 2021, 02:58:38 PM
I don't know any IC information. This is purely speculation.

But I get the impression this story is of Undertuluk or a portion of it not flooded.

I don't get Nakki Vibes from this story. It could also be under Luir's, but I don't know if luir's has an under. So *Shrug*
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: Hauwke on July 18, 2021, 03:11:44 PM
Quote from: stoicreader on July 18, 2021, 02:58:38 PM
I don't know any IC information. This is purely speculation.

But I get the impression this story is of Undertuluk or a portion of it not flooded.

I don't get Nakki Vibes from this story. It could also be under Luir's, but I don't know if luir's has an under. So *Shrug*

It's in the writing, Outpost, Archive, its there. It doesn't say explicitly where said archive is however.
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: Malken on July 18, 2021, 03:26:17 PM
The Archive is really just a room with a Faithful Lady who's  been tube-fed for the last 50 IC years.
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: Brokkr on July 18, 2021, 06:09:34 PM
Quote from: Hauwke on July 18, 2021, 03:11:44 PM
Quote from: stoicreader on July 18, 2021, 02:58:38 PM
I don't know any IC information. This is purely speculation.

But I get the impression this story is of Undertuluk or a portion of it not flooded.

I don't get Nakki Vibes from this story. It could also be under Luir's, but I don't know if luir's has an under. So *Shrug*

It's in the writing, Outpost, Archive, its there. It doesn't say explicitly where said archive is however.

YMMV depending on how much IC knowledge you have accumulated over the years, with this story.  Players have been in the Kuraci Archives over the years, with access to secret places, etc., so they have a deeper understanding.  One of the things that makes this a tricky line.
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: Veselka on July 18, 2021, 06:13:12 PM
Quote from: Vox on July 18, 2021, 02:55:26 PM
Thanks for the peek, looking forward to more!

p.s. Does she need a brother? I seem to be between characters now..

lol
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: Hauwke on July 18, 2021, 08:24:42 PM
Quote from: Brokkr on July 18, 2021, 06:09:34 PM
Quote from: Hauwke on July 18, 2021, 03:11:44 PM
Quote from: stoicreader on July 18, 2021, 02:58:38 PM
I don't know any IC information. This is purely speculation.

But I get the impression this story is of Undertuluk or a portion of it not flooded.

I don't get Nakki Vibes from this story. It could also be under Luir's, but I don't know if luir's has an under. So *Shrug*

It's in the writing, Outpost, Archive, its there. It doesn't say explicitly where said archive is however.

YMMV depending on how much IC knowledge you have accumulated over the years, with this story.  Players have been in the Kuraci Archives over the years, with access to secret places, etc., so they have a deeper understanding.  One of the things that makes this a tricky line.

That is true, it is entirely possible I'm wrong because I have never been. I knew of their existence due to recent events but that's the extent of my experience.
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: Dar on July 19, 2021, 02:59:39 AM
I want Kurac to have freaking Mentats!
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: mansa on July 19, 2021, 11:17:33 AM
"..old kings die."



YESSSSSSS
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: Malken on July 19, 2021, 12:20:15 PM
This is professionally written and super exciting.

Great job whoever(s) wrote that!

Also: "Old kings die... New king rise." ?
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: Blink on July 19, 2021, 12:43:23 PM
I love this.  It's so intriguing.  There are aspects of it that I -think- I understand and which link to IC events long ago. There are other parts which I can only make wild guesses about.  And still other parts which I fear I'll never fully understand.  How many chapters are there to this book?  I want to skip to the last one!  :-p 
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: Veselka on July 19, 2021, 12:49:37 PM
Instead of a dark lord....YOU WOULD HAVE A QUEEN.
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: Barsook on July 19, 2021, 01:02:56 PM
Yes! A queen! Not a king! A queen!
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: williamson on July 19, 2021, 01:52:32 PM
https://gdb.armageddon.org/index.php/topic,56309.msg1054814.html#msg1054814

Perhaps this is a clue?
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: mansa on July 19, 2021, 02:19:45 PM
Quote from: williamson on July 19, 2021, 01:52:32 PM
https://gdb.armageddon.org/index.php/topic,56309.msg1054814.html#msg1054814

Perhaps this is a clue?

I think it's this:


https://www.armageddon.org/world/chronology.php

1678 (Year 61 Age 22)
A relatively unknown sorcerer takes up residence near the Lord of Ash statue upon the salt flats and tricks several nearby tribes into believing he really is the ancient being. Under his secret command and prompting, more and more tribes are brought into the fold or forcibly conquered and conscripted. Knowing well that Allanak would not suffer a threat to rise, this three hundred strong band of tribals and raiders reach out to a small northern group and that of the Crimson Wind of Red Storm to bolster their numbers. When the war comes, sizeable casualties are had on both sides, and after a few weeks, Allanak kills this group to the last. The unnamed sorcerer is never confirmed among the dead.

https://gdb.armageddon.org/index.php/topic,57005.msg1063122.html#msg1063122
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Quote
Yaraya turned her body to face her daughter, her entire attention focused on the small child in front of her.  Deserving of such attention as few were, not only because of the blood tie, but because while others might think the girl odd, Yaraya knew from experience that not fully focusing would put herself at a disadvantage. "He is dangerous,  powerful and reports say he was not found.  We should not assume he is," said the woman, built of hard, brutish muscle.

"He left his own to die.  He has knowledge and power.  Useful, but not trustworthy," said the child.  Her mother could only nod her head in agreement, wondering how it was that this is what her daughter took from the meeting of the most influential in the Outpost, listening as she sat at the edge of the room.
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: Bebop on July 19, 2021, 08:22:28 PM
I have no idea what's going on but I just wanted to say this is my favorite story I've ever seen posted by staff.  Very well written.  Back to lurking.
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: The7DeadlyVenomz on July 19, 2021, 08:59:44 PM
Quote from: Bebop on July 19, 2021, 08:22:28 PM
I have no idea what's going on but I just wanted to say this is my favorite story I've ever seen posted by staff.  Very well written.  Back to lurking.
You.  :)
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: betweenford on July 20, 2021, 01:30:39 PM
All this magickery stuff makes me want to get into the hardcore nonsomatic elementalism, ritual magick, sorcery, and defile a few scattered places of lushness
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: Blanc de Ocotillo on July 20, 2021, 05:28:42 PM
Very cool behind the scenes peak.
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: Night Queen on July 21, 2021, 11:55:20 AM
REALLY good story, it's going to be really hard for a lot of people to remember to keep separate the Big Bad Yaraya narrative IC versus this story which is definitely a lot more sympathetic towards motivations...

Quote from: Dar on July 19, 2021, 02:59:39 AM
I want Kurac to have freaking Mentats!
Frank Herbert was very old, I think the polite term now is high functioning

Programmers/sorcerers that can write amazing stories haha :)
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: Barsook on July 21, 2021, 11:56:42 AM
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Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: Riev on July 21, 2021, 12:04:13 PM
Lots of "behind the scenes" stuff going on, its nice for players to at least see that there's a story to the game.

I don't like that Echri/Luir seems to think Muk and Tek are brothers. You can't do that to me.
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: Night Queen on July 21, 2021, 12:06:34 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1350560162558345216/V1JhsUOc.jpg)
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: triste on July 21, 2021, 01:02:58 PM
I'm down with that prez.

I love the story, I love Yaraya (just like I love Yara Greyjoy, salty short haired b¡itches FTW), but the thread title kept making me think of Daddy - Daughter Roleplay*

* I swear I am not sick in the head I've only tried it because the girl I am seeing is into it. IT WAS HER IDEA. Also on topic cuz: Yara Greyjoy >:}

My horrible joke aside I loved this and all cases where staff share overarching plots like this!
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: triste on July 21, 2021, 01:09:15 PM
10/10 I'd ERP Yaraya given the chance.

* ejects self from conversation *
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: mansa on July 21, 2021, 01:31:26 PM
https://gdb.armageddon.org/index.php/topic,24087.msg258291.html#msg258291

Maybe he's really dead.
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: The7DeadlyVenomz on July 21, 2021, 05:20:22 PM
Fucking love that story, Bro(kkr). That was so badass. Website that shit.
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: valeria on July 22, 2021, 08:20:11 AM
Quote from: The7DeadlyVenomz on July 21, 2021, 05:20:22 PM
Fucking love that story, Bro(kkr). That was so badass. Website that shit.

+1
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: Barsook on July 22, 2021, 10:14:07 AM
Quote from: valeria on July 22, 2021, 08:20:11 AM
Quote from: The7DeadlyVenomz on July 21, 2021, 05:20:22 PM
Fucking love that story, Bro(kkr). That was so badass. Website that shit.

+1
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: Delirium on July 22, 2021, 10:49:29 AM
Quote from: Barsook on July 22, 2021, 10:14:07 AM
Quote from: valeria on July 22, 2021, 08:20:11 AM
Quote from: The7DeadlyVenomz on July 21, 2021, 05:20:22 PM
Fucking love that story, Bro(kkr). That was so badass. Website that shit.

+1

+3

Also, really amazed to figure out just how long some aspects of this plotline have been cooking. I'm happy to sacrifice a little of the speculation at the ongoing mystery to get this (one-sided) peek behind the curtain.

Thanks for making the plot more visible and for all the creative effort and love you all clearly poured into this over literal years. This is why I keep coming back to play this crazy game.


edit: also, I vote Wednesday Addams/Emily Strange for Sorcerer Queen.
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: mansa on July 22, 2021, 10:57:11 AM
Quote...
Protected from the explosion by the same magick her "Master" thought would protect him, the girl looked over the other survivors, picking themselves up with stunned slowness, not yet aware of wounds. "We need to leave now.  Something truly dangerous is coming," she said, and as she noticed the nature of the pieces of wood scattering the area, "Gather all the pieces you can, especially the large ones."
...


Well, that explains a plot or two.   It feels good to know some of the backstory.
Title: Re: Daughter Discussion
Post by: Brokkr on July 22, 2021, 11:06:14 AM
Ooohhhhhhhh.  You thought we were done?
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: triste on July 22, 2021, 11:07:56 AM
"If she must bleed for her people, she thought, so be it, she would" RAWR YES

there are many ways to bleed for your people!
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Barsook on July 22, 2021, 11:12:26 AM
OMG MORE! Keep me fed please!
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Delirium on July 22, 2021, 01:22:05 PM
Descriptive, yet vague enough not to ruin specific magick mechanics unless you're already familiar with them.

noice.gif
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: SilkyBoi on July 23, 2021, 12:21:54 PM
Cool story.  Would be cool if player sorcerers could accomplish as much.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Riev on July 23, 2021, 12:35:31 PM
Quote from: SilkyBoi on July 23, 2021, 12:21:54 PM
Cool story.  Would be cool if player sorcerers could accomplish as much.

Its nice to see what happens "behind the scenes" but goddamn... what would happen if a PC Sorceror started teaching sorcery to people around them? Like, goddamn.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Pariah on July 23, 2021, 03:56:43 PM
Quote from: Riev on July 23, 2021, 12:35:31 PM
Quote from: SilkyBoi on July 23, 2021, 12:21:54 PM
Cool story.  Would be cool if player sorcerers could accomplish as much.

Its nice to see what happens "behind the scenes" but goddamn... what would happen if a PC Sorceror started teaching sorcery to people around them? Like, goddamn.
One of those three Karma folks should float that to staff in a character report about having an apprentice.  If it's done icly why couldn't it happen?
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Patuk on July 23, 2021, 04:27:10 PM
The story is cool and all, but I think I could do with fewer mentions of how hot fourteen-year-olds might be. Characters' minimum ages were raised for a reason
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Brokkr on July 23, 2021, 06:28:27 PM
Quote from: Pariah on July 23, 2021, 03:56:43 PM
Quote from: Riev on July 23, 2021, 12:35:31 PM
Quote from: SilkyBoi on July 23, 2021, 12:21:54 PM
Cool story.  Would be cool if player sorcerers could accomplish as much.

Its nice to see what happens "behind the scenes" but goddamn... what would happen if a PC Sorceror started teaching sorcery to people around them? Like, goddamn.
One of those three Karma folks should float that to staff in a character report about having an apprentice.  If it's done icly why couldn't it happen?

Pretty sure I covered that base.

Quote from: Brokkr on July 23, 2021, 11:13:30 AM
   Looking somewhat surprised, Papolaos turned to Yaraya, "With only eight, there is a high chance that none of them will be suitable to learn my arts."
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Veselka on July 23, 2021, 07:03:03 PM
Quote from: Patuk on July 23, 2021, 04:27:10 PM
The story is cool and all, but I think I could do with fewer mentions of how hot fourteen-year-olds might be. Characters' minimum ages were raised for a reason

::)

Read Game of Thrones and get back to me.

Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Malken on July 23, 2021, 08:35:36 PM
Quote from: Veselka on July 23, 2021, 07:03:03 PM
Quote from: Patuk on July 23, 2021, 04:27:10 PM
The story is cool and all, but I think I could do with fewer mentions of how hot fourteen-year-olds might be. Characters' minimum ages were raised for a reason

::)

Read Game of Thrones and get back to me.

Tyrion Lannister is 24 in the first book.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Pariah on July 23, 2021, 09:30:10 PM
How about we keep personal politics and feelings out of the make belief story someone went to effort to produce for you.

Don't be a Karen or Kyle pointing out everything you think is wrong.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: LindseyBalboa on July 23, 2021, 09:53:34 PM
This was great. Great story, great chance for players to show staff they can be trusted with IC/OOC separation, and for staff to be able to continue sharing like this. Had a blast reading it!
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Cabooze on July 23, 2021, 11:13:11 PM
Quote from: Pariah on July 23, 2021, 09:30:10 PM
How about we keep personal politics and feelings out of the make belief story someone went to effort to produce for you.

Don't be a Karen or Kyle pointing out everything you think is wrong.

This is a discussion thread, there's nothing wrong with someone posting their personal opinions* on the content provided (*having reservations in the writer's word choice is not political, and it's poor form to insult someone for saying something you seem to disagree with)

I like the sneak peek behind the scenes, personally. Well written in a short story format with minimal typos and gives players that have since left or taken a break an urge to return (speaking from experience, it's giving me the crackageddon itch). *clap clap* Me gusta
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Inks on July 24, 2021, 06:43:03 AM
Why are the ages of the characters below the ages of characters allowed (Unless they are 2000 year old angels/dragons in a young girl's body of course)? Is like an anime wagon of superpowered barely teen girls. Experience and skill does come with age whether anime likes it or not.

I thought the first part was very well written, anyway. And the pacing was good. Clearly this was proof read and care was taken in writing it. It is possible I just have ptsd from all these anime girls I see ig who know everything and never rp pain or injuries when you smash them around the sparring ring (after waiting for their 3 line naruto emote) and are always scarless and young after years in combat roles.

Arm needs less flawless, powerful, plucky, genius and of course kawaii teens.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: The7DeadlyVenomz on July 24, 2021, 08:34:17 AM
Good Lord.

None of this occurred to me while I was reading this story. Literally none of this at all.

I presume they are younger than the age we can play them as because while we are trying to keep creepy shit from happening in our play (like rape), the world we play IN still has plenty of creepy shit still occurring (like rape), and, because nothing in the story has turned creepy (like rape), yet.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Maso on July 24, 2021, 09:09:24 AM
Wow... Just because players can't be trusted with youthful characters doesn't mean that children don't exist in the world. There is nothing overtly sexual or crude in the story.. It is literally just a coming of age story where we are seeing how a character grew and developed to become... I guess we will find out? And the blossoming of a girl into a woman..

Really don't understand how her age is a big deal.. like.. at all. You guys are making it weird by making a thing out of it. Stop being weird.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Hestia on July 24, 2021, 09:19:44 AM
Your minimum-age 16-year-old was born and lived for 16 years before they showed up out of the Hall of Kings. They had a backstory, which is referred to as a "background" in the chargen process.

What we're seeing is the background of a couple of characters. Move on with this line of thought, please.  Is is getting a little strange.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Ender on July 24, 2021, 01:49:56 PM
I do wish the latest story was not written in the male gaze.  I understand the POV character is a male, but when setting up a powerful woman NPC in the vein of NPCs like Tek, Muk, Isar, and Kul I feel it really hurt the narrative to have so much focus be on her appearance, and even having the POV character leer at her ass just kinda hit home how uncomfortable it made me as a narrative device used to set up this NPC.

Imagine if the Coming Soon post about Isar and Kul's rivalry really focused on how rock hard Kul's abs were?
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Pariah on July 24, 2021, 01:56:17 PM
Quote from: Ender on July 24, 2021, 01:49:56 PM
I do wish the latest story was not written in the male gaze.  I understand the POV character is a male, but when setting up a powerful woman NPC in the vein of NPCs like Tek, Muk, Isar, and Kul I feel it really hurt the narrative to have so much focus be on her appearance, and even having the POV character leer at her ass just kinda hit home how uncomfortable it made me as a narrative device used to set up this NPC.

Imagine if the Coming Soon post about Isar and Kul's rivalry really focused on how rock hard Kul's abs were?

I don't think he made this story to hear about how you all think it should be written better or differently.  This is like the age thing everyone is hung up on.  Come on guys get over it and either enjoy it or don't, stop ridiculing something that obviously took a lot of effort and thought to put together.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Brokkr on July 24, 2021, 01:59:44 PM
I'm assuming you realize by now that literally each paragraph can change the character whose perspective it is written from.  It's a shortcut to quickly and succinctly give you individual character motivations.  Males have male perspectives.  It is beyond quite likely on Monday (I am busy tomorrow so won't be posting a section) you will get some female perspectives.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Inks on July 24, 2021, 02:54:08 PM
Quote from: Ender on July 24, 2021, 01:49:56 PM
I do wish the latest story was not written in the male gaze.  I understand the POV character is a male, but when setting up a powerful woman NPC in the vein of NPCs like Tek, Muk, Isar, and Kul I feel it really hurt the narrative to have so much focus be on her appearance, and even having the POV character leer at her ass just kinda hit home how uncomfortable it made me as a narrative device used to set up this NPC.

Imagine if the Coming Soon post about Isar and Kul's rivalry really focused on how rock hard Kul's abs were?

I felt the same way completely, and your rock hard abs comment made me laugh.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Usiku on July 24, 2021, 03:12:40 PM
I'm kind of expecting Caul to get toasted.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: mansa on July 24, 2021, 03:27:29 PM
Quote from: Usiku on July 24, 2021, 03:12:40 PM
I'm kind of expecting Caul to get toasted.

Caul is going to fall in love with a grey-eyed Chalton.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: betweenford on July 24, 2021, 04:07:57 PM
Caul will get torn apart by the three-fingered rending claws of a sappy anakore while under the delirious effects of a color-spray spell.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Night Queen on July 24, 2021, 04:23:56 PM
Quote from: Inks on July 24, 2021, 06:43:03 AMExperience and skill does come with age whether anime likes it or not.
Very old people often tend to say stuff like this, but it's rarely borne out in the case of people who are quite different from the norm. In primary school I was reading novels using a borrowed adult library card (so I guess it does feel a bit personal the attacks on this character) and teaching the teachers how to use the fucking computers. Later years I became involved in the leadership of many different organisations. Different people are better at different things. You know what I actually find really jarring? Unnaturally strong short people who aren't even young, yet people keep creating "tiny and cute" characters that somehow are able to wield weapons the size of themselves, which I am convinced is just fetish pandering. People should not take these characters seriously, or question their dwarven-breed heritage.

Or yeah, the super perfect young male characters that are oh so pretty and perfect, often noble or merchant characters that just don't act like their age at all, not even like an unusual person for their age. Yet no one ever comments on these, it's always frankly misogynistic attacks that come up whenever a female protagonist dares to exist, not just in this game but in fiction in general. Thankfully the pushback is well under way now, and those days, and those people, are starting to die off.

This brings to my mind the time there was an event and an entitled male player (everyone knows because they were very loud in shouting it) started shouting an OOC rant in IC about how they didn't want want to see flirting between two female characters and ending with "My gay ass is out" (seriously, all shouted with the IC shout command), imagine if those kind of comments were turned the other way around on two men there'd surely be a ban, but it's sort of accepted and expected - they wanted to make sure they ruined it for everyone and especially the people who dared to have organised a public party.

Stares can be obnoxious but sometimes expected, but you know what is often unforgiveable for many people? Unasked for creepy comments. Especially by people that then start to compare things to anime as if expecting most of us to be familiar or "should" be interested in the same things they are.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Pariah on July 24, 2021, 04:34:06 PM
Quote from: Night Queen on July 24, 2021, 04:23:56 PM
Quote from: Inks on July 24, 2021, 06:43:03 AMExperience and skill does come with age whether anime likes it or not.
Lots of stuff
I'm super confused, what does that have to do with the story?  This almost sounds like something that should have been a player complaint and handled by staff, why is this being brought up now?
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Ender on July 24, 2021, 05:20:31 PM
Quote from: Brokkr on July 24, 2021, 01:59:44 PM
I'm assuming you realize by now that literally each paragraph can change the character whose perspective it is written from.  It's a shortcut to quickly and succinctly give you individual character motivations.  Males have male perspectives.  It is beyond quite likely on Monday (I am busy tomorrow so won't be posting a section) you will get some female perspectives.

I welcome and am excited to read those perspectives!

There are a few things that I got hung up on in reading that may be more my reading comprehension.  Shifting narratives can be tough to follow unless readers are carefully reading.  And I know I'm being nit picky about this, but I really think its worth rereading these pieces and making sure they properly do the NPCs justice as I these are stories we can use to show new players how great this game is.

I did not realize the first bit was Caul's perspective until he is mentioned in the third sentance, so it reads as omniscient 3rd person until you reach that third sentence.  Maybe start out with an indicator it is from his mind.  Also, shifting the sentence to focus on the power of her eyes first gives more narrative weight to the fact Caul's reaction to her is atypical.

Presenting Caul's perspective first will give his gaze more weight.  It's just the way it is.  First impressions matter, and every other perspective will be through the lens of comparison to Caul's during that portion of the story.


"The beauty of this sixteen-year-old woman, slender with slight yet alluring curves, would captivate most, if it were not for the sheer intensity of her grey-eyed gaze known to hold others so enthralled they didn't even notice her body except as an afterthought. Still, thought Caul, it would be difficult to hold anyone entranced with the sounds, and smells, of the chalton in the small pen in the enclosed space of the cavern so disturbingly pervasive."

could become:

"Caul could not deny the sheer intensity of the piercing grey eyes of this sixteen-year-old woman.  No one could.  Caul noticed her developing curves, but her gaze was known to hold others so enthralled they didn't notice her body except as an afterthought.  Still, he thought, it would be difficult to hold anyone entranced with the sounds and smells of the chalton in the enclosed space of the cavern so disturbingly pervasive."

This way two things I think are more well established. 

1.  Caul's perspective and making her beauty more subjective to him and filtered more clearly through his gaze. 
2.  More narrative weight is given to the thing MOST would view about her: the grey eyes.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Brokkr on July 24, 2021, 05:37:35 PM
When I read your version, only pieces come through as his opinion, and pieces come through as fact.  Not what I was going for, which is presenting as fact but then modified by subsequent way in which things are phrased to imply the entire thing is just his opinion and not fact.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: mansa on July 24, 2021, 05:39:44 PM
Quote from: Brokkr on July 24, 2021, 05:37:35 PM
When I read your version, only pieces come through as his opinion, and pieces come through as fact.  Not what I was going for, which is presenting as fact but then modified by subsequent way in which things are phrased to imply the entire thing is just his opinion and not fact.

Hey Brokkr,

Is it okay with you that we give a bit of critique to the writing, rather just the story being told?
I mean, I'm coming from the heart.  I really enjoy your work.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Brokkr on July 24, 2021, 07:04:52 PM
Quote from: mansa on July 24, 2021, 05:39:44 PM
Quote from: Brokkr on July 24, 2021, 05:37:35 PM
When I read your version, only pieces come through as his opinion, and pieces come through as fact.  Not what I was going for, which is presenting as fact but then modified by subsequent way in which things are phrased to imply the entire thing is just his opinion and not fact.

Hey Brokkr,

Is it okay with you that we give a bit of critique to the writing, rather just the story being told?
I mean, I'm coming from the heart.  I really enjoy your work.

Feel free.  I'm not a professional writer and this was just sort of a one off creative thing I did to align the Staffing team towards where things were going at a certain point.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Veselka on July 24, 2021, 07:25:35 PM
As these coming soon type threads are more rare than rain on Zalanthas, I highly encourage Staff to continue to pursue writing them. We are all arm chair commander fantasy nerds at the end of the day (minus a few professional writers we have in our little society) so take our opinions with a grain of salt!

I personally enjoyed the story so far and appreciate its connection with events in the game world. Totally welcome and makes what we do as PCs seem to matter more.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: mansa on July 24, 2021, 10:08:34 PM
Quote from: Brokkr on July 24, 2021, 07:04:52 PM
Quote from: mansa on July 24, 2021, 05:39:44 PM
Quote from: Brokkr on July 24, 2021, 05:37:35 PM
When I read your version, only pieces come through as his opinion, and pieces come through as fact.  Not what I was going for, which is presenting as fact but then modified by subsequent way in which things are phrased to imply the entire thing is just his opinion and not fact.

Hey Brokkr,

Is it okay with you that we give a bit of critique to the writing, rather just the story being told?
I mean, I'm coming from the heart.  I really enjoy your work.

Feel free.  I'm not a professional writer and this was just sort of a one off creative thing I did to align the Staffing team towards where things were going at a certain point.

I'd suggest a slight change of a word here:

Bendito, said to have Muarki blood in his line somewhere, was carefree and uncaring.  Attractive Handsome since he was a toddler and only growing more so, everything in his life had come easy to him, and she supposed he did not see a future where it would not. Not above a lie here and there, to smooth the way.

I feel Handsome still has the punch you're looking for, but doesn't have the sexual connotation that the word Attractive has.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Night Queen on July 24, 2021, 10:41:20 PM
Kind of like a Freudian Monty Python sketch: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/thesaurus/articles/a-beautiful-person-painting-sight-etc
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: ShaiHulud on July 25, 2021, 12:46:52 AM
Quote from: Night Queen on July 24, 2021, 10:41:20 PM
Kind of like a Freudian Monty Python sketch: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/thesaurus/articles/a-beautiful-person-painting-sight-etc

Thank you. What I was thinking. Lol.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Lotion on July 25, 2021, 08:54:20 AM
QuoteFive words, one of them rarely used, spoken in a steady and firm voice, unleashed a power
imo this implies either the existence of an eighth horn (unlikely) or some reach other than un or qntlz was used.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Hauwke on July 25, 2021, 05:03:41 PM
Quote from: Lotion on July 25, 2021, 08:54:20 AM
QuoteFive words, one of them rarely used, spoken in a steady and firm voice, unleashed a power
imo this implies either the existence of an eighth horn (unlikely) or some reach other than un or qntlz was used.

Theory crafting aside, I can't imagine if Tek throws a fireball its a piddly mon. There has to be more that are super secret and ultra powerful.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Inks on July 26, 2021, 10:34:11 AM
Tek always used the rare deusexmachina reach.

Also night queen, you missed my main point, all the physical descriptions in each story and arse oggling takes away from the badass sorcery stuff. To imply me being mysogynistic (and old, which was weird ageism stuff on your end, mid 30s) due to disliking anime pcs (of both genders) in a harsh and brutal world with a burning hot sun and no rain misses the point completely.

Nobody cares about your primary school reading level. This is a post apocalyptic desert world with no literacy, dentists or sunscreen, fraught with danger, but with gender and sexual equality (if someone is acting outside these docs oocly then simply report it, not use a fantasy game as a soapbox). My earlier gripe about perpetually beautiful pcs in commoner roles is a realism and thematic one.

Ender: Love your ideas.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: triste on July 26, 2021, 02:21:03 PM
Quote
"I cannot love you back, the way you love me, Hiiral," the grey-eyed young woman spoke, in the most tender and caring tone Hiiral had ever heard from her.

"It would be selfish of me to ask you to, we love someone because we love them, and will keep on loving them, however they feel" she replied, following with, softly, "Or at least I do."

WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO ME BROKKR

* cries in lesbian *

(https://www.meme-arsenal.com/memes/af8d9e22cfcf0166e252864bd30d165c.jpg)
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: triste on July 26, 2021, 02:21:52 PM
edit: accidental double post, someone else post, this is why my employers should never allow me free time.

I know there was some shrieking about age earlier but honestly IDGAF, IDK if that even applies here because I've been busy and half reading. Regardless, puritanical censorship bores me much more than honest explorations of human nature.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Aruven on July 26, 2021, 08:15:44 PM
Thanks for writing these up and posting them for the player base. Keep feeding me please.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: mansa on July 27, 2021, 01:08:19 PM
I would like to know more about the Thryzn
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Fernandezj on July 27, 2021, 01:10:34 PM
Thryzn have a vaguely mantis like name?
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Brytta Léofa on July 27, 2021, 01:12:55 PM
Quote from: tiny rainbow on September 02, 2019, 03:18:33 PM
Quote from: number13 on September 02, 2019, 11:45:10 AM
http://old.armageddon.org/general/mutant.html
QuoteMutations abound on the surface of Zalanthas, and many have gone so far as to become species in and of their own right, such as the deadly psionic gaj, the Thryzn who assisted in freeing the north, the animate cacti known as Thornwalkers, and the fierce insectoid kryl.

Quote from: Angela Christine on July 25, 2006, 06:49:12 AM
http://www.armageddon.org/general/mutant.html

Mutants are supposed to seem to be more common along the shore of the silt sea, and Allanak is certainly much closer to the sea than Tuluk.  My general impression was that. prior to the importation of the Thryzn, mutants were more common in Allanak than Tuluk.  PCs are never Thryzn, so there is no reason for mutant PCs to be more common in the north than in the south.  Perhaps slightly more accepted, but not more common.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Fernandezj on July 27, 2021, 01:27:28 PM
Quote from: Brytta Léofa on July 27, 2021, 01:12:55 PM
Quote from: tiny rainbow on September 02, 2019, 03:18:33 PM
Quote from: number13 on September 02, 2019, 11:45:10 AM
http://old.armageddon.org/general/mutant.html
QuoteMutations abound on the surface of Zalanthas, and many have gone so far as to become species in and of their own right, such as the deadly psionic gaj, the Thryzn who assisted in freeing the north, the animate cacti known as Thornwalkers, and the fierce insectoid kryl.

Quote from: Angela Christine on July 25, 2006, 06:49:12 AM
http://www.armageddon.org/general/mutant.html

Mutants are supposed to seem to be more common along the shore of the silt sea, and Allanak is certainly much closer to the sea than Tuluk.  My general impression was that. prior to the importation of the Thryzn, mutants were more common in Allanak than Tuluk.  PCs are never Thryzn, so there is no reason for mutant PCs to be more common in the north than in the south.  Perhaps slightly more accepted, but not more common.

Oh, interesting. Thank you.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Rashad on July 28, 2021, 06:56:17 AM
Is anyone else wondering why thousands of them just killed themselves and their children?
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Riev on July 28, 2021, 10:36:08 AM
Quote from: Rashad on July 28, 2021, 06:56:17 AM
Is anyone else wondering why thousands of them just killed themselves and their children?

As I understand it, they worship this tree that Yaraya brought from the Archives. Whatever it is, it is a holy symbol for them, and they are sacrificing themselves for whatever "guardian" trope she is, to the tree itself.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: betweenford on July 28, 2021, 11:24:00 AM
Quote from: Rashad on July 28, 2021, 06:56:17 AM
Is anyone else wondering why thousands of them just killed themselves and their children?
They're linked to the tree which is of a similar nature to the one the Archivists had, but bigger and more than one person is linked to it. She seemed to use this link to compel them to death, combined with their inclination towards fire and hopes and etc
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Brokkr on July 28, 2021, 11:37:22 AM
They worship fire as well.  Have monthly rituals where they jump through bonfires. The highest, "holiest" among their society wield control over fire. Basically, they make the Sun Runners look like punks.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Delirium on July 28, 2021, 12:35:50 PM
Can confirm, Thryzn are no fucking joke.

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/ZxomYqy9uGtSQSSjth/200.gif)
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: The7DeadlyVenomz on July 28, 2021, 03:01:19 PM
... what if they "elven outpost" the Keep? What a cool new place to visit. Excellent work on the story, and wow.

The Queen.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Wday on July 28, 2021, 03:02:08 PM
I love this story!!!
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Brytta Léofa on July 28, 2021, 04:14:27 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/nh1XcKk4/bg1.jpg)

RIP king
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Barsook on July 28, 2021, 05:08:09 PM
Quote from: The7DeadlyVenomz on July 28, 2021, 03:01:19 PM
... what if they "elven outpost" the Keep? What a cool new place to visit. Excellent work on the story, and wow.

The Queen.

I kind of wished Luir's was taken over by her than Allanak.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: mansa on July 28, 2021, 05:10:31 PM
Was Papoulis the man on the salt flats ?
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Brokkr on July 28, 2021, 06:43:38 PM
papolaos was.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Dan on July 28, 2021, 06:52:40 PM
He should've made like a tree and got the fuck outta there.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Bebop on July 28, 2021, 09:34:47 PM
I'm not really going to comment on the story itself further but I just wanted to say thank you to Brokkr for doing this and trusting the community with this information instead of closely guarding it.  I hope staff gets lots of positive feedback and we'll see more things like this in the future.  As someone who hasn't played in about a year, it's helpful in considering a return as well to understand the state of the current game.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Night Queen on July 28, 2021, 11:46:28 PM
I'm glad the childish ageist attacks on the character were pretty much a one off thing, I know it's possible because I've been there :)
(https://i.imgur.com/HeHs1HN.png)

The story feels like it's something that's really onto the current dreaming culturally:) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_unconscious
Quoteancient primal symbols such as The Great Mother, the Wise Old Man, the Shadow, the Tower, Water, and the Tree of Life.

(https://i.imgur.com/YUUtEk8.jpg) (https://i.ibb.co/p1xQV0G/got-spoiler-dragon-fire.gif) (https://i.imgur.com/8tF8pLd.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/kkX77Tx.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/G4ygFnI.gif) (https://i.imgur.com/o9Llm4Z.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/mZPx3La.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/cWfFqwM.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/cAszm3W.jpg) :D

Quote from: Brokkr on July 29, 2021, 07:01:26 AMCurrently in development now by

all of us,

be sure to read the trilogy's epic final story, "Queen" coming in

a decade or two!
(https://i.imgur.com/y5YRgST.jpg)
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Reiloth on July 28, 2021, 11:51:58 PM
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Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Pariah on July 29, 2021, 12:24:46 AM
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Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: The7DeadlyVenomz on July 29, 2021, 12:29:12 AM
Quote from: Barsook on July 28, 2021, 05:08:09 PM
Quote from: The7DeadlyVenomz on July 28, 2021, 03:01:19 PM
... what if they "elven outpost" the Keep? What a cool new place to visit. Excellent work on the story, and wow.

The Queen.

I kind of wished Luir's was taken over by her than Allanak.
Yes, but no.

Allanak left the outpost, so you have to assume that the Outpost is under the control of the GMHs again, without knowing IC factors.

I much prefer a new place to visit. Not live, unless you count being able to quit out there living, but visit. New places to visit suggest the world is breathing and living. I always love that. I don't want to see apartments, or trades, or any of that stuff there, but it would be fucking cool to have a new route to travel to get to the new "place" in the Known, and merchants there offering new stuff or rare stuff, etc, etc.

Is it gonna happen? Probably not. But still it'd be cool. Also, Luir's is a great location for a trade route or for trade entities like the GMHs. It is a horrible place for a new power opposed to the two existing ones to try to take over, from a logistical standpoint.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Night Queen on July 29, 2021, 01:47:45 AM
Quote from: Pariah on July 29, 2021, 12:24:46 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/DsrqUB9.jpg)
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Pariah on July 29, 2021, 02:20:21 AM
I am not afraid to admit that I am totally confused as to what the hell you're talking about at all.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Reiloth on July 29, 2021, 02:48:05 AM
Quote from: Pariah on July 29, 2021, 02:20:21 AM
I am not afraid to admit that I am totally confused as to what the hell you're talking about at all.

Amen. I'm neurodivergent and ADHD and GAD but I feel that is the closest I have come to looking into the gaze of the Old Ones.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Lotion on July 30, 2021, 11:32:28 AM
assuming that the big tree is the same as those little trees makes you wonder what died to make it
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: mansa on July 30, 2021, 11:36:15 AM
Quote from: Lotion on July 30, 2021, 11:32:28 AM
assuming that the big tree is the same as those little trees makes you wonder what died to make it

I think, based on the next line in the story, that you can feed energy/magick to a tree to make it grow.  Not just "something died and that's the only source of a tree".

Gesturing towards the back of the ledge, the red-serpentine-scaled woman said, "The others are with us still," indicating four small, stunted saplings.  Larger than the two saplings in the Garden Papolaos fed with elemental power so that they might be harvested for the trinkets he wore.

So, how many lives has the tree consumed is probably a better question.  ..  Maybe  it consumed all the halflings.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Lotion on July 30, 2021, 11:47:31 AM
Quote from: mansa on July 30, 2021, 11:36:15 AM
Quote from: Lotion on July 30, 2021, 11:32:28 AM
assuming that the big tree is the same as those little trees makes you wonder what died to make it

I think, based on the next line in the story, that you can feed energy/magick to a tree to make it grow.  Not just "something died and that's the only source of a tree".
That's even more dastardly, she used the shards of the tree from Luir's as a convenient way to kill the other sorcerers.
But even moreso she basically tricked an entire cult of fire worshiping mutants to sacrifice their life force energy (the thing that is codedly referred to as mana) in order to provide enough to fuel her ascension to dragon.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Brokkr on July 30, 2021, 12:15:30 PM
I was wondering when that assumption would come up.

I tried to incorporate allusions to aspects of Thryzn, dragon, phoenix, and yes even faerie, into what she became.  Which like her, was left nameless, purposefully.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Delirium on July 30, 2021, 01:44:41 PM
I'm thinking she's some kind of entirely new form of sorcerer. Think true neutral rather than preserver or defiler.

She's about that mercy, but she'll burn a whole village army if she's got to.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: The7DeadlyVenomz on July 30, 2021, 04:06:26 PM
I love this arc, man ... really happy it's happening.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Cabooze on July 30, 2021, 04:36:19 PM
Definitely what comes to mind when I imagine what an avangeon+dragon lovechild would look like. Very nice.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Dan on July 30, 2021, 04:49:32 PM
I'm just wondering what was in that small cubby about old kings dying, and who or what felt it open.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Iiyola on July 30, 2021, 04:59:28 PM
So now we have Tek, Muk and Queen.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Delirium on July 30, 2021, 05:00:43 PM
Old Kings Die.

Flame Queen.

Sun King's got some competition, methinks.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Knight of Knives on July 31, 2021, 01:48:00 PM
Quote from: Brokkr on July 30, 2021, 12:15:30 PM
I was wondering when that assumption would come up.

I tried to incorporate allusions to aspects of Thryzn, dragon, phoenix, and yes even faerie, into what she became.  Which like her, was left nameless, purposefully.

There was a moment in the PBRPT when I thought that what was occurring was like, literally part of a dragon ascension sacrifice, but then I kind of guessed the other route, and it seems somewhere in the middle per the Woman stories.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Lotion on August 01, 2021, 10:32:19 AM
So looking at http://armageddon.org/help/view/magick%20mood
Echi which is also the name of the dragon dragon is a magick mood. I wonder if the Queen's existence also represents a magick mood as well or the ascension of Queen will cause a new magick mood to appear (latter I seriously doubt)

It would be something if a sorcerer's ascension caused them to embody a magick mood with their form and there could only be one ascended sorcerer for each magick mood. Seeing how brokkr explicitly mentioned neutrality for the current one I would expect Queen to be Viod.

Going down this road I'd suspect Tektolnes would have an ascended truename of Chran and Muk would have an ascended truename of either Hekro or Hurn (leaning more towards hurn due to how he is described in the chronology) but maybe Inrof because psionic stuff.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Lotion on August 01, 2021, 12:13:05 PM
Quote from: Knight of Knives on July 31, 2021, 01:48:00 PM
Quote from: Brokkr on July 30, 2021, 12:15:30 PM
I was wondering when that assumption would come up.

I tried to incorporate allusions to aspects of Thryzn, dragon, phoenix, and yes even faerie, into what she became.  Which like her, was left nameless, purposefully.

There was a moment in the PBRPT when I thought that what was occurring was like, literally part of a dragon ascension sacrifice, but then I kind of guessed the other route, and it seems somewhere in the middle per the Woman stories.
I'd imagine when there was a massive light in the sky in the north of the grey forest that was the ascension ritual. The sandstorm afterwards that went towards allanak was probably something else going on in the same area that might have been a little bit related.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Blanc de Ocotillo on August 01, 2021, 08:20:34 PM
I love the story! It really makes me want to dive into ritual magick or sorcery in Arm (next pc maybe). The magick system is so rich its what always bring me back to Arm..

I love the budding Sorcerer Queen and its really cool getting a peak behind the curtain. So often players never really know whats going on because we all get bits and pieces of a bigger puzzle. It would be cool we got to see the bigger picture more. Awesome Awesome job! I can't wait to see whats coming!!
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Inks on August 02, 2021, 02:22:13 AM
The slenderness of womanhood brings power. I enjoyed the last story section.
Title: Re: Daughter/Woman Discussion
Post by: Lotion on September 01, 2021, 10:02:34 PM
huh, seems like the experiments on animals were related to turning people into trees of life