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General => Code Discussion => Topic started by: Kaineus on April 22, 2014, 11:52:29 AM

Poll
Question: Multiple people on the same mount?
Option 1: Two people on a mount is a good idea!
Option 2: Screw two people, I want all five of my mates on this inix with me!
Option 3: This is a terrible idea, keep things the way they are.
Title: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: Kaineus on April 22, 2014, 11:52:29 AM
I searched the forums for this and didn't find anything posted / posted recently.

Here are some ideas on how this would work:
- You cannot fight while mounted if more than one person is on the mount.
- Only one person would hitch the animal and be considered the main rider.
- Weight restrictions would still apply and the riders' weight would be summed (just like packed goods, etc).
- The main rider can kick off the other people on the mount with some command.
- [Edit/added] Can be skill dependent, just like hitching multiple mounts.

I've seen countless characters alternate walking and riding while sharing one mount, more or less achieving the same effect stamina wise that two people on the same mount achieves. But if anything switching walking and riding--particularly when an inix is involved--seems less realistic rather than more realistic. I think a feature like this would be another one of those nice features that make things feel more immersive.

I realize this would probably be a royal pain to code. It's just an idea.

Here's a clip (http://youtu.be/SCLy1laHE88) from my favorite second favorite 1990s fantasy anime Lodoss War that depicts just this:
You see a swarthy human warrior on top of a white horse.
You see a blonde elven sorceress on top of a white horse, riding with a swarthy human warrior.

>kill ALL OF THEM
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: RogueGunslinger on April 22, 2014, 11:57:53 AM
I like it! Wanted something like this for a long time.
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: Barsook on April 22, 2014, 04:22:49 PM
I dig it.
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: slvrmoontiger on April 22, 2014, 06:12:21 PM
Yup good good good... GREAT!
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: BleakOne on April 22, 2014, 06:52:33 PM
I approve.
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: ShaLeah on April 22, 2014, 07:11:19 PM
I do not.
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: Barsook on April 22, 2014, 07:13:07 PM
Why?
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: The7DeadlyVenomz on April 22, 2014, 10:32:15 PM
I approve.
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: manipura on April 22, 2014, 10:42:04 PM
I've wanted this for ages.  Maybe not with all critters (sorry erdlus) but definitely the larger ones who would easily be able to carry two people.
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: slvrmoontiger on April 23, 2014, 12:12:54 AM
Brings a whole new meaning to riding off into the sunset with your mate/spouse/fuck buddy.
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: BleakOne on April 23, 2014, 12:21:42 AM
Also it would be nice if you could put unconscious people on your mount, either alone or with you depending on sizes. It's already possible to do, sort of, but it looks really silly code-wise.
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: RogueGunslinger on April 23, 2014, 12:52:42 AM
Quote from: ShaLeah on April 22, 2014, 07:11:19 PM
I do not.

Seriously, why? If you can pack multiple corpses to your beetle they should easily be able to carry another person.
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: ShaLeah on April 23, 2014, 12:55:38 AM
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on April 23, 2014, 12:52:42 AM
Quote from: ShaLeah on April 22, 2014, 07:11:19 PM
I do not.

Seriously, why? If you can pack multiple corpses to your beetle they should easily be able to carry another person.

Pack the person and I'll be okay with it.
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: RogueGunslinger on April 23, 2014, 01:09:20 AM
If you don't have a good reason it's okay, you can just say it's your opinion or something like that.  :P
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: ShaLeah on April 23, 2014, 01:31:31 AM
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on April 23, 2014, 01:09:20 AM
If you don't have a good reason it's okay, you can just say it's your opinion or something like that.  :P

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treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor; flippant.
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NOTHING HAS BEEN EDITED FROM THE ABOVE PASTE!
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: Harmless on April 23, 2014, 01:36:46 AM
pack someone? Hm.

>nosave pack

You will no longer attempt to resist being packed on a mount.

>nosave pack

You will now resist being packed unless subdued.

>pack Amos

You help Amos up onto the back of your brown inix's saddle.

Others see:
Talia helps Amos up onto the back of her brown inix.

Amos types:

>dismount

You get off the back of a brown inix's saddle.

(if amos was subdued and forcibly packed, check flee skill: if fail:)

You try but are unable to escape from the back of a brown inix!
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: FreeRangeVestric on April 23, 2014, 01:40:16 AM
I love the overall idea. I wanna ride off into the sunset with my trusty sidekick behind me!

For some reason, I'm not crazy about the proposed way to set up the ldesc of the second person on the mount. I'll edit this if I can come up with a better idea once my brain is functioning properly.
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: RogueGunslinger on April 23, 2014, 02:00:58 AM
Quote from: ShaLeah on April 23, 2014, 01:31:31 AM
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on April 23, 2014, 01:09:20 AM
If you don't have a good reason it's okay, you can just say it's your opinion or something like that.  :P

fa·ce·tious
fəˈsēSHəs/Submit
adjective
1.
treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor; flippant.
synonyms:   flippant, flip, glib, frivolous, tongue-in-cheek, ironic, sardonic, joking, jokey, jocular, playful, sportive, teasing, mischievous; More


NOTHING HAS BEEN EDITED FROM THE ABOVE PASTE!

I'll facet you, missy!
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: The7DeadlyVenomz on April 23, 2014, 02:39:00 AM
Quote from: ShaLeah on April 23, 2014, 01:31:31 AM
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on April 23, 2014, 01:09:20 AM
If you don't have a good reason it's okay, you can just say it's your opinion or something like that.  :P

fa·ce·tious
fəˈsēSHəs/Submit
adjective
1.
treating serious issues with deliberately inappropriate humor; flippant.
synonyms:   flippant, flip, glib, frivolous, tongue-in-cheek, ironic, sardonic, joking, jokey, jocular, playful, sportive, teasing, mischievous; More


NOTHING HAS BEEN EDITED FROM THE ABOVE PASTE!
And this right here is why I didn't even bother wondering what she meant. There had been too many comments saying "I agree", so she had to be contrary. That's what makes Sha fun.
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: RogueGunslinger on April 23, 2014, 03:31:47 AM
Like I'd be able to understand a woman. HAH!
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: Kaineus on April 23, 2014, 10:49:03 AM
Quote from: FreeRangeVestric on April 23, 2014, 01:40:16 AM
For some reason, I'm not crazy about the proposed way to set up the ldesc of the second person on the mount. I'll edit this if I can come up with a better idea once my brain is functioning properly.

If anyone has recommendations for how this would look in an ldesc, moving, please share :) The example above was just a joke

Speaking of elves, that's the one plausible argument that I can see against this -- this arguably increases the utility of riding even more, which is a pity for elves who don't have the option to ride at all. However, the built in disadvantage of not being able to attack when more than one living person is on a mount would balance out any benefits of this new feature IMO. I bet a Soh elf would delight in easily picking off two idiot humanoids riding into the sunset on the same beast in Soh lands.
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: Barsook on April 23, 2014, 10:52:53 AM
Hmm, that pack command for a person might be what we need.
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: Barzalene on April 23, 2014, 02:19:24 PM
Yes, but should affect speed and endurance.
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: armacc on April 23, 2014, 03:45:50 PM
If an inix can carry a half-giant and their stuff, it should be able to carry two people.
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: TheWanderer on April 23, 2014, 04:45:07 PM
Word, dawg.
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: ShaLeah on April 23, 2014, 05:14:47 PM
Quote from: armacc on April 23, 2014, 03:45:50 PM
If an inix can carry a half-giant and their stuff, it should be able to carry two people.

Fuck logic! This is a fantasy world!
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: Barsook on April 24, 2014, 02:59:36 PM
Quote from: Barzalene on April 23, 2014, 02:19:24 PM
Yes, but should affect speed and endurance.

That too.
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: CodeMaster on April 24, 2014, 03:07:10 PM
Sounds fun to me. But, to be fair, what if stable fees were multiplied by the carrying capacity of the animal?
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: Kaineus on April 24, 2014, 03:56:08 PM
Quote from: CodeMaster on April 24, 2014, 03:07:10 PM
Sounds fun to me. But, to be fair, what if stable fees were multiplied by the carrying capacity of the animal?

That is a whole 'nother can of worms but I like that idea a lot (moar realizm).

I've always wished people rode erdlu's more often :3
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: IntuitiveApathy on April 26, 2014, 06:48:33 PM
Quote from: Kaineus on April 24, 2014, 03:56:08 PM
Quote from: CodeMaster on April 24, 2014, 03:07:10 PM
Sounds fun to me. But, to be fair, what if stable fees were multiplied by the carrying capacity of the animal?

That is a whole 'nother can of worms but I like that idea a lot (moar realizm).

I've always wished people rode erdlu's more often :3

Love the original idea and also things to encourage diversity in mount use like this.

At least they got rid of the kanks!
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: solera on April 27, 2014, 04:00:36 AM
The best part of this would be the ability to load your dying but not dead buddy on board.
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: armacc on April 27, 2014, 05:50:56 AM
I think it's only containers that can be packed, bodies, furniture. It would likely require a ton of  coding to be able to pick up someone and then "pack" them. Maybe a separate lift command could work. Lift x, place x on inix. Which could um...automatically make them ride, even if unconscious? Maybe have an unconscious check, if checked it would show "dying best buddy is slung unconscious on the tubby inix" I know next to nothing about coding beyond an old high school class using Basic, so maybe that's not even possible.
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: RogueGunslinger on April 27, 2014, 07:36:17 AM
Quote from: armacc on April 27, 2014, 05:50:56 AM
I think it's only containers that can be packed, bodies, furniture. It would likely require a ton of  coding to be able to pick up someone and then "pack" them. Maybe a separate lift command could work. Lift x, place x on inix. Which could um...automatically make them ride, even if unconscious? Maybe have an unconscious check, if checked it would show "dying best buddy is slung unconscious on the tubby inix" I know next to nothing about coding beyond an old high school class using Basic, so maybe that's not even possible.

You can already pack bodies.
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: Saellyn on April 27, 2014, 08:23:17 AM
You may want to reread what he said, that's exactly what he said can already be done. He suggested code for lifting unconscious/conscious people onto mounts.
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: RogueGunslinger on April 27, 2014, 08:42:41 AM
Quote from: Saellyn on April 27, 2014, 08:23:17 AM
You may want to reread what he said, that's exactly what he said can already be done. He suggested code for lifting unconscious/conscious people onto mounts.

Hmm, you're right. Misread.
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: greasygemo on April 27, 2014, 11:12:57 AM
I like the idea of not.. dragging your buddy behind you like a kill..

I've seen an echo on a mistarget that excited me so much once. But it turned out to be just a code hiccup. It went something like this.

>pack large inix

You pack the large, muscular man to an inix's back.

The large, muscular man OOC's: ...Did I just get strapped to your mount?

Me OOC's: Quiet. Luggage doesn't speak.

Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: armacc on April 27, 2014, 03:33:17 PM
Maybe it could be made to work only with someone subdued? Which would maybe be cool for kidnappings too.
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: RogueGunslinger on April 27, 2014, 04:20:40 PM
Technically both should be possible. Strapping kidnapped people to them, or letting your buddy ride with you.
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: Fujikoma on April 27, 2014, 04:55:21 PM
emote guides ~sunback to the edge of the shield wall, peering over a moment.

say (glancing to ~amos, with a wicked grin as he slides off the back of ~sunback) So, if all goes well, this will look like an unfortunate accident, any last words?

The muscly, muscled-muscle man says, eyes widening with fear, in mouth gagged with a bedraggled silk sash accented sirihish "Mrrrhhhmph!! Mrrmff Hhhhhh!"

say (after nodding cheerfully) Yeah, I like Murph too, real top notch sort, that.

emote gives ~sunback a firm thwack on the backside with the flat of his blade and watches as it moves off, tumbling from the shield wall, ~amos still firmly secured to ^sunback back.

say (peering over the edge) Ayep, Murph'll wanna hear about this, I can show him how it all went down, think he'll be thrilled to death with the view, too.
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: KankWhisperer on April 27, 2014, 06:56:42 PM
I want to mount all my tribe on one big sandworm then attack the walls of Allanak.
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: RogueGunslinger on April 27, 2014, 07:08:11 PM
Quote from: KankWhisperer on April 27, 2014, 06:56:42 PM
I want to mount all my tribe on one big sandworm then attack the walls of Allanak.

I just had some sweet Dune visuals run through my head. That'd be badass.
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: KankWhisperer on April 27, 2014, 09:22:45 PM
say (striding towards the massive (salt) sand worm) Mount up!

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m860vsev3C1rbu729o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Idea: Two people on the same mount
Post by: RogueGunslinger on April 27, 2014, 09:30:37 PM
The 2000's miniseries dune was really something to behold. I'm sure some people hate that that's my reference for it but damn.. The books are kind of boring and series super rocks.

It holds a special place in my heart with Battleship Troopers movie. Amazing Sci-fi when I was a kid.


edit: Suppose this isn't the best thread for this...