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Title: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: hyzhenhok on May 31, 2013, 03:13:55 PM
Derail:   If enterprising players want to start a thread for slang, and not derail it, and then make a concise list.  Someone (me) might consider making it into a helpfile.

A thread for collaborating on trying to build a concise list of important slang. We should try to limit it to stuff that newbies are very likely to encounter other players using. Specifically we should look for slang that is in the common usage. This isn't the thread for discussion what you think is good or bad slang, or what slang you personally think is cool and fun. We just want a list of what is used. Also we should probably leave out curses; there is a separate help file for those.

Here's what I came up with after a brief brainstorm. Feel free to make suggestions as to anything else that should go on the list, or anything here that you don't think is necessarily worthy of inclusion. Hopefully we can quickly put together a nice list to help newer players.

Quote
money
small - 100 coins
large - 1000 coins
black, 'sid - obsidian coins, money

Allanak
'Nak, The Black - Allanak; negative in connotation, not usually used by Allanakis
His Shadow - the omnipotence of Tektolnes, Highlord of Allanak; also a common farewell in Allanak
His/The Arm - The Arm of the Dragon, Allanak's militia
the alleys, the 'rinth - the Labyrinth
rat, rinther - denizen of the Labyrinth

Tuluk
His/The Ivory - Tuluk; positive in connotation, usually only used by Tulukis
His Light- the omnipotence of Muk Utep, Sun King of Tuluk; also a common farewell in Tuluk
His Faithful - the templarate of Tuluk
His Chosen - the nobility of Tuluk
His Legion - The Sun Legions, Tuluk's militia

Elsewhere
The Known - the world
The Pah - the Tablelands
The Grey - the Grey Forest
The Red - the Red Desert
shade - a politically neutral farewell used throughout Zalanthas

Occupations
artist - specific to Tuluk, can refer to any skilled commoner; often a euphemism for thieves and assassins
greb - to go out and scavenge/forage for things that can be sold, especially outside city walls
sift - to forage for spice near the Silt Sea
the Byn, shitcloaks - the T'zai Byn, famous mercenary company

Race
stump - dwarf
breed - half elf
necker, sharp, skinny - elf
roundear - human

Magick & Superstition
abomination, finger wiggler, gick, gicker, witch - a magicker
gemmer, gemmed - Allanaki magickers bound to service to that city's templarate
mindbender, mindworm - a psionicist
asher, ashlayer, defiler - a sorcerer
krath-struck - dazed, stunned due to heat or exposure, an in-character explanation for AFK or linkdead characters
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: rpgguy2000 on May 31, 2013, 03:23:59 PM
Add rinther to Race & Origin for people from the Labyrinth

And add Rinth or 'rinth to Cities as slang for the Labyrinth
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Kismetic on May 31, 2013, 03:30:09 PM
Money
tyrant scales - Tuluki reference to Allanaki-minted coins

Occupations
sifter - someone who sifts spice

Locations
the black/white pit - Allanak and Tuluk, respectively
the Post - Luir's Outpost
the Ivory - Tuluk

Race & Origin
skinny - an elf

Magick & Superstitions
ashlayer, asher - a sorceror

Objects
skimmer - a sailing vehicle of the Silt Sea
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Wastrel on May 31, 2013, 03:44:31 PM
this is extremely helpful
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Kismetic on May 31, 2013, 04:03:57 PM
I've got some more.

Occupation
picker - a lockpick
salter - a salt grebber

Race & Origin
bentback, clawfoot - gith
gypsy - a member of the Tan Muark tribe
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Kassindra on May 31, 2013, 04:09:01 PM
Could probably put in brackets that His Light and His Shadow (and variations of these, such as "Walk in His Light"/"May His Shadow protect") are often used in parting, like saying good bye.


Greetings
Lord Templar/ Lord Templar (whatever House name, eg Lord Templar Tor) - Allanak.
Faithful Lord/Lady (whatever House name, eg Faithful Lord/Lady Winrothol) - Tuluk.

PS I just woke up, sorry if some of this looks wrong.  :-*
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: rpgguy2000 on May 31, 2013, 04:11:38 PM
Could probably put in brackets that His Light and His Shadow (and variations of these such as "Walk in His Light") are often used in parting, like saying good bye.

Could probably also add "His Arm" to the militia terminology not just "The Arm" - I've seen people use both - plus when said like that you can say things like "twisting His Arm" to mean bribing the militia hehe  ;D
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: hyzhenhok on May 31, 2013, 04:21:43 PM
I think for most of those His/The are used pretty interchangeably. I put the one I feel I've seen more commonly for the sake of avoiding clutter. We don't need to include every variety. Perhaps as disclaimer should be added to the helpfile to note that players are encouraged to modify their usage of this slang or create their own; this is by no means supposed to be an inclusive, definitive list.

Also remember we want this to be an in-game help file. There's probably only room for a few more lines to keep it manageable, and so we'll have to leave a lot out. Thoughts on which slang newbies are most likely to encounter in their first few hours of play, and that misunderstanding is most likely to threaten their enjoyment of the game, would be helpful. :)
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: i can haz mantis on May 31, 2013, 05:24:46 PM
Curses/Swears
Krathdamn/Krathdamnit = a swear akin to "God damn it"
Drov = hell
fucking Drov = fucking hell

Phrases
Thank His Light = Tuluki reference akin to "Thank God"
"Sun King help me..." / "So help me Sun King..." - Tuluki phrase oft used akin to "God help me..." / "So help me God..."
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Wastrel on May 31, 2013, 05:50:09 PM
More geography stuff :o
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Barsook on May 31, 2013, 07:12:10 PM
Occupation

Shitcloak- Byner
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: James de Monet on May 31, 2013, 09:07:08 PM
Can do.

Geography
The Red - The Red Desert, the area around Luirs Outpost
The Salt/The Flats - The Salt Flats, the area east of Allanak
Gol Krathu/The Scrub - The scrub plains surrounding Tuluk (not technically equivalent, but occasionally used synonymously)
The Grey - The Grey Forest northwest of Tuluk
Vrun Driath/The Dunes - The sand dunes area around Allanak
The Tablelands/The Pah - The area west of Luirs, bordered by the Shield Wall
The Silt/The Sea - The Great Silt Sea, south of Allanak

Clearly there are others, but these are the major ones.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: ShaLeah on May 31, 2013, 09:30:10 PM
Some posts:

Bast's Zalanthan Dictionary (http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,44862.0.html)
Da Ghetto Slang - aka The Rinth (http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,30226.0.html)
Moar Ghett-toe (http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,3624.msg29518/)
Another post on slang... (http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,1720.0.html)
Yet another post on Zalanthan terminology! (http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,41995.0.html)
Speakin' like a Zalanthan (http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,21051.0.html)
One Moar, for flavor (http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,39788.0.html)

That's just in the first two pages. I probably coulda kept going and found more.

I think we're due for a compilation!
/me feels decidedly... Nyr-ish after this post.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: hyzhenhok on May 31, 2013, 10:38:28 PM
Updating the list in OP only with stuff that I have really seen multiple characters using semi-regularly.

I love both 'rinth specific slang and the peculiar way certain Highborn class members speak, but they don't strike me as suitable for this list. I think we should be aiming here for common slang that would be used and understood nearly universally. I think most of the location/culture specific lingo is easy enough to pick up once you know the basics.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: ShaLeah on May 31, 2013, 11:08:47 PM
Updating the list in OP only with stuff that I have really seen multiple characters using semi-regularly.

I love both 'rinth specific slang and the peculiar way certain Highborn class members speak, but they don't strike me as suitable for this list. I think we should be aiming here for common slang that would be used and understood nearly universally. I think most of the location/culture specific lingo is easy enough to pick up once you know the basics.
Anyone in Allanak will know rinthi slang if they're smart. At the very least be familiar with it.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: benegesseritwitch on June 01, 2013, 02:40:12 PM
Is Krath Southern specific or do Northerners think of the Sun as Krath as well? Or do they refer to the Sun King as the Sun too?

Same question, but for Drov (is it Southern specific).
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Riya OniSenshi on June 01, 2013, 02:48:18 PM
Is Krath Southern specific or do Northerners think of the Sun as Krath as well? Or do they refer to the Sun King as the Sun too?

Same question, but for Drov (is it Southern specific).

Suk-Krath is the proper name of the sun, and the shortening to Krath is not Southern specific.

Drov is also not Southern specific, however, while it's common slang use is equivalent to "hell", the word and meaning is not analogous to our hell. I think there's a thread in the Player Collaboration board about that under a topic about cosmology, and it might include something about krath.

EDIT: Actually I can't find it, but I recall some thread a few years back where it was mentioned in regards to the changes between arm's planes of existence and the Dark Sun source's.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Maso on June 01, 2013, 11:13:50 PM
Under curses:  For Krath's sake! Or just Krathsake! (like 'for god's sake!' tut)

A general one...for anything that uses Gortok...often abbreviated to 'tok. Which rolls off the tongue a lot better for curses etc. "Son of a 'tok!'

Also, rat and rinther work, but also 'rinth rat'. Sorry if it seems obvious.

I'm all for generic slang being put into a doc - this is great. But would like to see slang for smaller communities (elves, 'rinth etc) be learned IG. It's pretty easy to pick it up if you are part of that community, but if you are playing an outsider (and a newer player) it's quite fun to discover as part of learning about a community that you are interacting with.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Barsook on June 02, 2013, 09:06:54 AM
carru'd and others mean you got killed by a carru or another animal
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Fathi on June 03, 2013, 06:47:22 AM
It's minor, but I might add "His Arm" to "The Arm" under "Arm of the Dragon" and I might add "finger wiggler" to "wiggler" since it's where the term "wiggler" originates. Also "witch."

The term "abomination" is also very widely used to describe magickers in the north if not as common in the south. It may warrant a mention.

If we are also possibly including semi-OOC slang, I'd mention the fact that linkdead people are often called "Krathstruck" since that could help newbies.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Inks on June 04, 2013, 12:41:15 AM
Jiggler: Someone who uses lockpicks.
Jiggling: The act of picking locks.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Delirium on June 04, 2013, 12:48:31 AM
I really don't think that's common. Isn't this supposed to be slang everyone and their mother uses?
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: hyzhenhok on June 04, 2013, 09:35:38 PM
I've been updating the OP with all the suggestions I feel meet the following crieteria:

1) Widely used (have I seen multiple PCs, excluding myself, use it casually in conversation)
2) Meaning not self-evident
3) Usage not mostly restricted to an exclusive social group ('rinthis, nobility, etc)
4) No cursewords (there's already a helpfile for that, presumably this helpfile would link to it)

Basically I would like to have a help file that will enable a newbie to >point Allanak or Tuluk, walk into the tavern, and understand most conversations that would be held there.  But encountering and learning new slang is an important part of both exploration and playing characters in new areas.

Admittedly every players' experience with what slang is common will differ, so I'd like to see a discussion on anything I'm leaving out you think qualifies, or if anything I've included shouldn't be on the list.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Maso on June 05, 2013, 01:03:00 AM
I'm surprised we have so little slang on there for occupations (that aren't self-evident)...like burglars, assassins, mercenaries, nobles, templars etc! It could be that we do and I can't think of it (terrible memory), but would be cool to see some more.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Maso on June 05, 2013, 01:04:06 AM
Templars = robes (e.g. blue-robe, red-robe)??

In 'Nak anyway?
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Desertman on June 05, 2013, 11:27:33 AM
Stumped - To be confused/lacking knowledge.

"Hey, how do you read and write?"

"i dont know, im stumped"

 :D
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Drayab on June 05, 2013, 01:18:16 PM
I'm surprised we have so little slang on there for occupations (that aren't self-evident)...like burglars, assassins, mercenaries, nobles, templars etc! It could be that we do and I can't think of it (terrible memory), but would be cool to see some more.

In Tuluk, artist can refer to an assassin as easily as a painter. While the latter would be obvious to anyone, the former may be unexpected by a new player.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Barzalene on June 05, 2013, 01:50:48 PM
Apparently, based on other thread elf as a verb is a real thing! Let's include it!
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: AmandaGreathouse on June 05, 2013, 07:44:46 PM
Apparently, based on other thread elf as a verb is a real thing! Let's include it!

Totally.

Elf - Thief
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Delirium on June 05, 2013, 07:59:23 PM
He elfed/gypped me outta 50 'sid!
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Marauder Moe on June 05, 2013, 10:32:48 PM
I've never heard "elf" used as a verb in-game.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Drayab on June 05, 2013, 10:40:52 PM
Me neither.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Delirium on June 05, 2013, 10:44:38 PM
I have, but not very often. Still, it amuses me.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: chrisdcoulombe on June 05, 2013, 10:46:36 PM
I have heard Elfed used in game in the same way as the example and I know it wasn't Delirium.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Delirium on June 05, 2013, 10:48:18 PM
Or.... was it??

Just kidding, I don't think I've ever used elfed. Only gypped.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Drayab on June 05, 2013, 11:32:23 PM
Gypped is pretty hilarious. I've never heard that one used either, but I am tempted to start using it!
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: hyzhenhok on June 05, 2013, 11:38:20 PM
If stuff gets popular later, the helpfile can always be modified easily thanks to the new system.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: RogueGunslinger on June 06, 2013, 01:04:37 AM
claw-foot for Gith.

Jozhal is sometimes synonymous with coward.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Maso on June 06, 2013, 01:46:21 AM
Gypped in a Brit word. I liked 'elfed'. It makes sense. To call a thief and elf however, I think is just confusing.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: AmandaGreathouse on June 06, 2013, 03:59:50 AM
More accurately 'elf' as in 'elfing'

Elf - to steal

Elfing  - thieving, or stealing.

I should've probably put that instead but... I was tired yo.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: InsertCleverNameHere on June 06, 2013, 06:26:11 AM
Gypped in a Brit word. I liked 'elfed'. It makes sense. To call a thief and elf however, I think is just confusing.

I don't know what kind of word it is, but I was using gypped long before I played Armageddon, and I have never been nor likely will ever be anywhere near England. Hell, even New England. So. *shrug*
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Marauder Moe on June 06, 2013, 10:58:50 AM
We have "gypped" in America too, though there's been some push to get rid of it for being politically incorrect.  (It is an ethnic slur, after all.)


More accurately 'elf' as in 'elfing'

Elf - to steal

Elfing  - thieving, or stealing.

I should've probably put that instead but... I was tired yo.
It's not the meaning I have issues with.  The meaning is pretty obvious.  It's the fact that I'm not sure it's used commonly enough in-game to warrant documentation.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Riya OniSenshi on June 06, 2013, 11:01:41 AM
Dictionary says it's an American word...

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gypped?s=t&path=/
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Barzalene on June 06, 2013, 11:04:37 AM
We have "gypped" in America too, though there's been some push to get rid of it for being politically incorrect.  (It is an ethnic slur, after all.)


More accurately 'elf' as in 'elfing'

Elf - to steal

Elfing  - thieving, or stealing.

I should've probably put that instead but... I was tired yo.
It's not the meaning I have issues with.  The meaning is pretty obvious.  It's the fact that I'm not sure it's used commonly enough in-game to warrant documentation.

No no, I'm not certain it's right to include it. I was just rather tickled when in the other thread I mentioned it, thinking I was the only one, and got a (small) chorus of me toos.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: catchall on June 06, 2013, 12:46:23 PM
Updating the list in OP only with stuff that I have really seen multiple characters using semi-regularly.

I love both 'rinth specific slang and the peculiar way certain Highborn class members speak, but they don't strike me as suitable for this list. I think we should be aiming here for common slang that would be used and understood nearly universally. I think most of the location/culture specific lingo is easy enough to pick up once you know the basics.
Anyone in Allanak will know rinthi slang if they're smart. At the very least be familiar with it.

I think you're drastically overestimating the degree of cultural unity between northside and southside Allanak.  Some Allanakis might think they understand rinth slang, in the same way a suburban white pothead in high school thinks he understands "da ghetto," when in fact the slang he thinks he knows is probably decades old, out of fashion, and misused.  And Allanak doesn't have Rinthi Entertainment Television or rinthi bards running around to popularize their slang.

The entire point of in-group slang is that it's exactly that--in-group.  If an Allanaki commoner has a legitimate reason to know contemporary, up-to-date rinth slang, they should have no problem learning it IC (since that's the only way they can learn it anyway).  They shouldn't be pretending they understand everything when they spy on rinthers just because they read it in a GDB thread or helpfile, especially when we're talking about terminology that is specifically intended to be misleading.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: hyzhenhok on June 06, 2013, 12:48:13 PM
I've only seen 'elf' in game a few times, all of which were after I saw someone mention how it's a cool slang verb on the GDB a month or so ago. ;)

But regardless, I think it falls under the category of self-explanatory and doesn't need to be on the list.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: RogueGunslinger on June 06, 2013, 12:59:01 PM
There's always the 'rinthi Cant if you want to get really in depth with your next filthy necker. Not many/any use this though, it's been lost to the times.
 
http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,30226.msg336541.html#msg336541 (http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,30226.msg336541.html#msg336541)
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: i can haz mantis on June 06, 2013, 01:55:03 PM
The list doesn't seem to be very un-objective to me.   :-\
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: hyzhenhok on June 06, 2013, 02:07:29 PM
The list doesn't seem to be very un-objective to me.   :-\

Please explain. :)
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Drayab on June 06, 2013, 06:15:07 PM
We have "gypped" in America too, though there's been some push to get rid of it for being politically incorrect.  (It is an ethnic slur, after all.)

Well, I learned something today. I thought the word was spelled 'jipped' and that 'gypped' was a funny alternative spelling some Armageddon player invented. I stand corrected, and also with less desire to use the word IG.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Fujikoma on June 07, 2013, 12:53:54 PM
For roughly the first week I played the game, I figured "gemmer" meant someone rich enough to afford to walk around wearing gems, and so likely nobility. Glad someone cleared that up for me.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Fredd on June 07, 2013, 05:51:42 PM
Templars = robes (e.g. blue-robe, red-robe)??

In 'Nak anyway?

That is very common slang in the rinth, yes. About everyone calls them robes there.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Molten Heart on June 07, 2013, 06:52:41 PM
Templars = robes (e.g. blue-robe, red-robe)??

In 'Nak anyway?

That is very common slang in the rinth, yes. About everyone calls them robes there.

Sometimes Northern Templars are called "Moon Robes"
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: BadSkeelz on June 11, 2013, 01:49:16 PM
I've seen "Gyppo" used to refer to Gypsies.

I've also seen (southern) Templars referred to as Blue Robes or just Blues.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Drayab on June 11, 2013, 02:57:06 PM
Sometimes Northern Templars are called "Moon Robes"

How many unique people have you seen use this one?

Can anyone else corroborate this one?

I've never seen it.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Marauder Moe on June 11, 2013, 03:09:42 PM
I have not either. 

It wouldn't be a very polite term either, and thus would probably be relegated to fringe groups rather than core citizenry (if this term is used at all).
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: hyzhenhok on June 11, 2013, 03:15:48 PM
I haven't seen that particular slang anywhere. "Robes" for templars I've only seen in the 'rinth, and 'rinthi specific slang I think we've agreed can be left off the list.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Marauder Moe on June 11, 2013, 03:34:04 PM
Hmm.  Looking at the OP list (is this getting updated?), some suggestions:

We should frame out more of the etymologies of these terms a bit.

Like how "breed" is just short for "half-breed".

Likewise:
necker is short for long-neck
sharp is short for sharp-ear
rat is short for 'rinth-rat
small/large is short for small/large stack
'sid is short for obsidian


I'd also suggest that Allanakis don't refer to their own city as "The Black" or "The Black City".

Some other ideas:
The Known - the world
northron/southron - a term that refers to foreigners from the other half of the world
shade, shade and <water/profits/smooth sands/other variations> - a parting phrase of tribal origin that also sees some usage in the south.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: hyzhenhok on June 11, 2013, 03:42:57 PM
Yes, I am updating it. My unilateral choice was to keep it as brief as possible though; if someone wants to build a competing list I'll throw it up in the OP so we can give the staff multiple choices.

long-neck, sharp-ear, etc -- I seldom if ever encounter the long form of these terms in game, and I feel if you know the shortened term it shouldn't be too hard to understand the meaning of the long form if you encounter it.

southron/northron are similarly self-explanatory.

Adding "The Known" and "shade."
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: bcw81 on June 11, 2013, 04:10:04 PM
The Known is not "The world." The Kown is the "Known World." There is a difference. Quite a massive one, if Zalanthas is even half as large as Earth.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Marauder Moe on June 11, 2013, 04:13:58 PM
Linguistically, it serves the same purpose.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: bcw81 on June 11, 2013, 04:26:03 PM
Linguistically, it serves the same purpose.
...
No? Linguistically, the "Known" means the "known world", or the world that is "known to us". There are parts of the coded gameworld that are not the Known world, and people do not refer to them as the Known. The Known is a term used to describe something, it is not used to describe something else.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Marauder Moe on June 11, 2013, 04:29:01 PM
By linguistically, I mean this:

Quote
"Where in the known did you get that?"
means the exact same thing as
Quote
"Where in the world did you get that?"

likewise
Quote
"I've seen most of the Known in my travels."
is the same as
Quote
"I've seen most of the world in my travels."


EDIT: Also, you should consider that you're arguing about the technical definition of a word/term in a thread about slang.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Riev on June 11, 2013, 04:33:54 PM
Linguistically, it serves the same purpose.
...
No? Linguistically, the "Known" means the "known world", or the world that is "known to us". There are parts of the coded gameworld that are not the Known world, and people do not refer to them as the Known. The Known is a term used to describe something, it is not used to describe something else.

We get it. The coded world of Armageddon is big, and much of it hasn't been seen by a large portion of the playerbase. But frankly, "The Known" is, for all intents and purposes, equivalent to "The World". If there's a relatively unknown cave, its still contained within the idea of "The Known World". If you're in the "Unknown World", you better be talking to a fish.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: bcw81 on June 11, 2013, 04:34:51 PM
I think you're misinterpreting what they're saying. Saying "I've seen most of the Known on my travels." would mean the person in question has seen most of the Known, explored world. There are other parts of the world the person isn't even mentioning.

"Where in the Known did you get that?" Would be better related to "Where in Mississippi did you get that? You didn't actually go to Wisconsin to buy that cheese, did you?"

Straight from the helpfiles:
Quote from: HELP_ZALANTHAS
A broad region which is called the Known World composes the bulk of civilization on Zalanthas. Two extremely powerful defilers, Muk Utep in the north and Tektolnes in the south, name themselves sorcerer-kings, and dominate the Known World, ruling in a brutal and tyrannical manner from their city-states. The sorcerer-kings have been alive for centuries, perhaps mille

Which probably means the Known World is even smaller than I was picturing to begin with.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Marauder Moe on June 11, 2013, 04:44:17 PM
What you may be missing is how isolated Zalanthas is?  People know nothing about the rest of the world.  The Known is the entirety of their conceptual world.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: James de Monet on June 11, 2013, 04:59:33 PM
I gotta come down on the side of Moe and Riev here, BC. While I agree that "the Known" and "the world" are technically not the same thing, I think that for most people, most of the time they are idiomatically the same thing. If your character is an explorer, or a scholar, or a very unlucky mercenary, they might not use them to mean the same thing, but most people would.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: AmandaGreathouse on June 11, 2013, 06:25:38 PM
Sometimes Northern Templars are called "Moon Robes"

How many unique people have you seen use this one?

Can anyone else corroborate this one?

I've never seen it.

I've seen this from about a half a dozen pcs or so other than ones I've played. This is probably not something that would be common slang in the city-states, but to people who are outside cities, I would imagine it would be much more common, differentiating the robes (nakki templars) from the moon robes (tuluki templars, given that their orders are based on the moons).
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Nyr on June 12, 2013, 08:58:18 AM
Based on a perusal of the runlogs, I can confirm that moon robes is not common slang.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Marauder Moe on June 12, 2013, 09:13:42 AM
Good lord... you guys can do that?
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Riya OniSenshi on June 12, 2013, 09:54:27 AM
Good lord... you guys can do that?

Why wouldn't they be able to query logs for a phrase?
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Fujikoma on June 12, 2013, 09:57:17 AM
... Big Brother is watching...

 :o
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Marauder Moe on June 12, 2013, 10:17:08 AM
Most of the data mining the staff have told us about are for more static things: accounts, characters, items, etc.

I knew logs of the game's happenings were kept, but I don't know for how long and I didn't know they could run queries on them.

The Diku code is so old that you never know what trivial (by modern standards) tasks are made difficult by it.  It must also take a non-trivial amount of storage to capture the game's entire output.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Drayab on June 12, 2013, 01:12:55 PM
I bet it's as simple as grep 'moon robes' logfile.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Nyr on June 12, 2013, 02:12:14 PM
click in window
type:  moon robe
search in current runlog
search in previous runlog

No uses in the past two weeks.  Just figured I'd offer since it was mentioned as common slang--I don't know that it would be.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Molten Heart on June 12, 2013, 02:23:28 PM
So slang isn't common unless it's been used in game for the last two-weeks.  It's good to have solid definitions for things.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Nyr on June 12, 2013, 03:28:58 PM
So slang isn't common unless it's been used in game for the last two-weeks.  It's good to have solid definitions for things.

Sorry to have touched a nerve, I didn't realize you were that tied to it becoming part of the helpfile. 

Slang isn't common if people don't use it commonly.  Everything else mentioned here has been used fairly regularly and when it hasn't been, people point that out (and people have).  No need to get breedy over it.

rinther -- used today
His Shadow -- used today
His Light -- used today
The Arm -- used today
stump -- used today
breed -- used today
necker -- used today

As for everything else from the OP, those have been used in the past two weeks, if not the past two days.  But I suppose you're right.  It could be a major statistical anomaly.  Regardless, it doesn't meet two of the requirements hyzenhok indicated, and just because you've seen it used...it doesn't mean it's common.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Nyr on June 12, 2013, 03:48:46 PM
Thanks to all for the collaboration and assistance!  I'm curious about the layout proposed by hyzhenhok.  Is it laid out in a way that would be read logically?  The ones I'm on the fence about are "krath-struck" and "shade" as neither seems to fit as well into their respective categories.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Molten Heart on June 12, 2013, 03:57:23 PM
My point is that while using the runlog is a good measure of what is common, I don't think it's a good measure for what isn't common.  Just because something hasn't been used in the last two weeks, doesn't mean it isn't common slag.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Marauder Moe on June 12, 2013, 04:22:32 PM
Maybe just group them into northern, southern, and generic?  As we're keeping the list fairly concise, we don't really need that many categories.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Nyr on June 12, 2013, 04:25:12 PM
Unfortunately, it's not common.  If it has been used, it's possibly only within a select group of people that don't venture into the cities anyway (indicated by one person here), which would eliminate it based on two of the criteria for it being part of the slang list.  That's not a big deal or anything.  You can use it in-game if you want.  I'm going based on what people have suggested here, and I only looked in the runlogs in the first place because I may have heard the term used by a tribal about two years ago.  Should it increase in usage enough that everyone is using it, cool, we can add it to the list.  If it's not being used on a regular basis, it's probably not confusing any newbies.  Besides, "robes" covers templars, and "moon robes" is just a step beyond that (which would eliminate it based on failing to meet 3 of the 4 reasonably laid out criteria).  I'm not sure differentiation is necessary at this point unless we see that it is more prevalent.

In case it wasn't clear, I don't really care if it's in the runlog or not.  That was unrelated and as I pointed out, yes, it could be a statistical anomaly that every other common word or phrase mentioned is actually used regularly with the appropriate context and this one has not seen one bit of use in the past two weeks.

More (apparently ;)) meaningless statistics:

no occurrences of this phrase in any requests
no occurrences of this phrase anywhere on the GDB except here

Be the moon robe change that you want to see in Zalanthas the Known.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: James de Monet on June 12, 2013, 04:49:11 PM
The ones I haven't seen yet really are entries for critters:

Mek - a mekillot
Met - a bahamet
Drov Beetle - Southern Beetle
Horror - a silt horror
Kore - an anakore
bentback, clawfoot - gith
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Delirium on June 12, 2013, 04:50:06 PM
lol... 'The case of the drov beetles'
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: bcw81 on June 12, 2013, 04:53:04 PM
Be the moon robe change that you want to see in Zalanthas the Known.
Thank you.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: James de Monet on June 12, 2013, 05:14:30 PM
I was gonna add "gaj" for "gajak" but it looks like it appears as "gaj" everywhere now, even in the help files, and searching for "gajak" produced no results. Huh.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Riya OniSenshi on June 12, 2013, 08:32:21 PM
I was gonna add "gaj" for "gajak" but it looks like it appears as "gaj" everywhere now, even in the help files, and searching for "gajak" produced no results. Huh.
Those are not the same thing - that's why that happened.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: hyzhenhok on June 13, 2013, 02:06:17 AM
The ones I haven't seen yet really are entries for critters:

Mek - a mekillot
Met - a bahamet
Drov Beetle - Southern Beetle
Horror - a silt horror
Kore - an anakore
bentback, clawfoot - gith

I'd argue these are shortenings with a self-evident meaning, so long as you already know the original word. If a newbie knows what a mekillot, bahamet, silt horror, etc, are, they'll be able to figure it out. If they don't, when someone uses the slang it'll be a good opportunity for them to ask questions and find out.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: James de Monet on June 13, 2013, 05:55:56 AM
I was gonna add "gaj" for "gajak" but it looks like it appears as "gaj" everywhere now, even in the help files, and searching for "gajak" produced no results. Huh.
Those are not the same thing - that's why that happened.

Are you sure?  They just both happen to be white-shelled beetles with practically the same name?  Seems unlikely.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Marauder Moe on June 13, 2013, 09:48:46 AM
I'd argue these are shortenings with a self-evident meaning, so long as you already know the original word. If a newbie knows what a mekillot, bahamet, silt horror, etc, are, they'll be able to figure it out. If they don't, when someone uses the slang it'll be a good opportunity for them to ask questions and find out.
Lots of words we've listed are just shortenings, though.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Delirium on June 13, 2013, 10:03:42 AM
I was gonna add "gaj" for "gajak" but it looks like it appears as "gaj" everywhere now, even in the help files, and searching for "gajak" produced no results. Huh.
Those are not the same thing - that's why that happened.

Are you sure?  They just both happen to be white-shelled beetles with practically the same name?  Seems unlikely.

Friend, I think you need to find out IG
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Riya OniSenshi on June 13, 2013, 11:00:03 AM
I was gonna add "gaj" for "gajak" but it looks like it appears as "gaj" everywhere now, even in the help files, and searching for "gajak" produced no results. Huh.
Those are not the same thing - that's why that happened.

Are you sure?  They just both happen to be white-shelled beetles with practically the same name?  Seems unlikely.

I'm pretty sure all but one of my PCs found out their differences in-game - and that one would have found out eventually.
It is not incredibly difficult, even for a non-combat PC, to find out about this.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Morgenes on June 13, 2013, 11:09:14 AM
I was gonna add "gaj" for "gajak" but it looks like it appears as "gaj" everywhere now, even in the help files, and searching for "gajak" produced no results. Huh.
Those are not the same thing - that's why that happened.

Are you sure?  They just both happen to be white-shelled beetles with practically the same name?  Seems unlikely.

There are multiple inaccuracies in this statement.  Gaj and Gajak are pretty distinctly different.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: BadSkeelz on June 13, 2013, 11:44:39 AM
I'd also say "Drov Beetle" is pretty slang given that the damned things don't have that as a keyword.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Drayab on June 13, 2013, 01:03:38 PM
Bloodburn for general poison.

It might actually be better to edit the poison help file instead of including it as slang, as this appears to be a case of the slang completely replacing the original. I can't recall hearing anyone refer IG to general poison, though maybe a few times I've heard common poison or weak poison.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: James de Monet on June 13, 2013, 03:43:54 PM
I was gonna add "gaj" for "gajak" but it looks like it appears as "gaj" everywhere now, even in the help files, and searching for "gajak" produced no results. Huh.
Those are not the same thing - that's why that happened.

Are you sure?  They just both happen to be white-shelled beetles with practically the same name?  Seems unlikely.

There are multiple inaccuracies in this statement.  Gaj and Gajak are pretty distinctly different.

Heh, then I'm going to be bugging some things in game if I ever see them again; I didn't base that statement on nothing.

Didn't realize it was an IC issue, though. Nevermind the gajak!
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Molten Heart on June 28, 2013, 12:57:41 AM
Sometimes a week is called a "ten-day" (I guess this is because there are ten days in a Zalanthas week)
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: manipura on June 28, 2013, 01:15:59 AM
Sometimes a week is called a "ten-day" (I guess this is because there are ten days in a Zalanthas week)

There are eleven days in a week.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: vissa on June 28, 2013, 01:16:38 AM
Something that came up in my recent interactions with a very new player:  

finding <someone's> mind = contacting <someone> via the Way
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Molten Heart on June 28, 2013, 01:34:44 AM
Sometimes a week is called a "ten-day" (I guess this is because there are ten days in a Zalanthas week)

There are eleven days in a week.

Right, I guess it just sounds better than an eleven day, idk.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: bcw81 on June 28, 2013, 12:36:16 PM
Sometimes a week is called a "ten-day" (I guess this is because there are ten days in a Zalanthas week)

There are eleven days in a week.

Right, I guess it just sounds better than an eleven day, idk.
I have never heard of a 'ten-day', or an 'eleven-day' for that matter. Where is this common?
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Barzalene on June 28, 2013, 12:44:57 PM
Sometimes a week is called a "ten-day" (I guess this is because there are ten days in a Zalanthas week)

There are eleven days in a week.

Right, I guess it just sounds better than an eleven day, idk.
I have never heard of a 'ten-day', or an 'eleven-day' for that matter. Where is this common?


This phrase had a lot more traction about ten years ago. I haven't heard it recently.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: bcw81 on June 28, 2013, 12:53:05 PM
Sometimes a week is called a "ten-day" (I guess this is because there are ten days in a Zalanthas week)

There are eleven days in a week.

Right, I guess it just sounds better than an eleven day, idk.
I have never heard of a 'ten-day', or an 'eleven-day' for that matter. Where is this common?


This phrase had a lot more traction about ten years ago. I haven't heard it recently.
Huh. The more you know.

That said, I haven't heard it once in near on four years of play.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Drayab on June 28, 2013, 02:47:46 PM
Yeah, I also recall hearing the term 'ten-day' a long time ago as a code word for OOCly referring to RL tomorrow.

These days, people say 'week' as OOC code for a RL day, and 'half-month' as OOC code for a RL week.

I'm not sure if this counts as slang, but it's certainly something a newbie would like to know about.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Marauder Moe on June 28, 2013, 02:51:38 PM
If it's not used commonly, then no, it's not.


Something that came up in my recent interactions with a very new player: 

finding <someone's> mind = contacting <someone> via the Way
This, however, is an excellent inclusion.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Barzalene on June 28, 2013, 02:57:52 PM
Week and half month are used commonly.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Marauder Moe on June 28, 2013, 03:07:59 PM
Oh, thought he was referring to "ten-day" still.  My bad, if so.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Gimfalisette on June 28, 2013, 04:20:53 PM
Didn't time in the game used to slide around somewhat, before Tiernan's fix? (I think it was him.) If that's the case, then perhaps "ten-day" is from that period and is more of an approximation than a literal attempt to count time. And/or, maybe a 24 hour Earth day used to equate to 10 Zalanthan days rather than the 16 it does now.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Marauder Moe on June 28, 2013, 04:24:41 PM
The time slippage was generally during resets.  A "week" still meant a RL day back then, but a "month" meant just one RL week because the game would usually skip forward half a Zalanthan calendar month during the Saturday downtime.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Drayab on June 28, 2013, 04:45:00 PM
Yeah, my musing was more on whether or not 'week' and 'half-month' as used IG should be included in a slang help file, especially since we're trying to keep it concise. Arguably, this information is already in the time help file. On the other hand, these are phrases that get used quite a bit (discounting 'ten-day' as an archaic term), so it might be good to include them for that reason, even if they are technically ICly used code words for convenient OOC planning, rather than strictly-defined IC slang.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Delirium on June 28, 2013, 04:47:01 PM
Ten-day hasn't been used since time was standardized IIRC.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Kismetic on July 02, 2013, 05:07:11 AM
I still don't see "The Post" for Luir's Outpost as an inclusion, despite pointing it out awhile ago ...  and despite its inclusion in documentation (http://armageddon.org/help/view/Luir%27s%20Outpost%20Details).  Maybe you oughta toss that in there for the greenhorns that don't read all the docs.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Riya OniSenshi on July 02, 2013, 11:47:28 AM
That only refers to Liur's as "'Post" (note the apostrophe before Post) once, and only well after it's established it's in reference to Liur's Oupost.
As there are other outposts in the game, it's not necessarily an exclusive reference to Liur's.

It's similar to those that think the Firestorm Pub can merely be referred to as "Pub" and not cause confusion.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Barsook on July 02, 2013, 12:09:06 PM
I think The Outpost refers to Luirs more than "the Post".  Firestorm for the Pub.
Title: Re: Common Slang: Collaboration
Post by: Kismetic on July 02, 2013, 03:01:30 PM
Quote
And there are other things than conflict to occupy visitors. Nearly everywhere you go in the 'Post you'll smell the pungent scent of someone smoking spice, House Kurac's main ware. Gambling, prostitution, and heavy drinking also feature prominently in this frontier outpost's entertainment.

There you go.  :)

Anyway, I see it used often enough to be considered slang for the world's most popular outpost (hint:  it's not Blackwing, full of dead muls or formerly owned by Salarr (now gith)).