Rangers can quit out in the wilderness, so it's reasonably assumed that they can sleep safely out there. So why can't they hide and then sleep, without losing their position? If you find a good spot, do you really have to stay on your feet?
It'd be very helpful if rangers were allowed to hide and then rest/sleep, and it would make them more effective. I imagine them sliding down in the grass, or in some little nook, usually on their back or curled up anyways. You usually are harder to see if you're lying prone.
What do guys think?
Lot's of room for abuse in that though, man. shrug
I usually just find an -actual- hole to crawl into to lick my wounds. =P
I'm not sure, but I think some animals don't have to see you. I think some animals can smell *sniffs*
Quote from: "Radioactive Age"Arent there tents?
There sure are. They're crazy expensive, though, as all good tents should be.
Quote from: "Ueda"I'm not sure, but I think some animals don't have to see you. I think some animals can smell *sniffs*
Especially if you are bleeding. Some predators and scavengers can smell blood at great distances.
I don't think hiding and *sleeping* would work very well anyway. What if you snore? Or mumble in your sleep? I'm a pretty violent sleeper, it hardly seems worthwhile to make the bed knowing the the blankets are going to be all bunched and knotted by morning anyway, so I think that if I tried to sleep in the wilderness there is a good chance I would dislodge my cover or end up with a leg sticking out of the hole. Hiding quietly requires some degree of alertness.
I think being able to hide while sitting could be plausible though. A sit doesn't half to be a sit, it could be a crouch, kneeling or leaning in a crevice.
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I'm pretty sure tents can be attacked .... and destroyed. I'm also sure that some hunter type npcs can find you and attack you while you're hiding. And what if you fall asleep and roll of a cliff ....?
Quote from: "Dirr"I'm pretty sure tents can be attacked .... and destroyed. I'm also sure that some hunter type npcs can find you and attack you while you're hiding. And what if you fall asleep and roll of a cliff ....?
Yes I have to say that they can be attacked and destroyed by those meanie npc beasts..It happened to me before and I lost my ever so exspensive tent :(
I don't think of hiding as a passive activity, hence you don't regen stamina. I think of it as actively working to evade being noticed by someone searching for you.
If it was an active ability, it would use the sneak skill, I think. It doesn't. Hiding is finding a hiding spot and sticking in it. I don't see why you can't rest in your hiding spot. Especially since we're talking about out in the wilderness... if you were actually walking around while you hid in the wilderness, you'd lose stamina points.
So, can rangers who hide be allowed to rest? I think they should be able to.
Hiding isn't a sit still kind of thing. Do you think that hiding in a street would involve standing about motionless? That is more conspicuous than moving about with the crowd.
QuoteHiding is finding a hiding spot and sticking in it. I don't see why you can't rest in your hiding spot.
I'd have to say this isn't always true. For either city or wilderness... Rangers have to also deal with animals. That requires not just being seen, but not being smelled and a few other senses that animals use alot more then humanoids.
A ranger who hides in one spot while being hunted down by a pack of 'toks is going to get eatten most likely. In the least get cornered up a tree or in a hole or something.
A city person hiding about... Well, I'm thinking that staying still in a good portion of the places wouldn't be good either. Maybe in an alleyway, but in a busy street with few things staying still or in a tavern you probably aren't going to be hidden really too well.
I think this comes to my statement that the hide skill isn't about being hidden or unseen, it's about going unnoticed.
So, I don't know. I certainly couldn't see anyone sleeping while hiding. IRL there are plenty of people that go along with little true sleep. Rangers probably are just more aware. If your coded hurt enough that you need to sleep, I'm thinking it might be time to find a safer place then the open plains or desert. Or OMG even head into the city to rest up and get treatment.
I don't see how anything could be changed without tipping something too far one way or another. It's pretty good where it's at.
The fact that rangers can quit out in the wilderness begs the question: how do they sleep?
But alright, I'll give it to you that sleeping is too much of a change for you guys. I don't see why the ranger can't sleep down in the grass, or in some nook, or whatever. But they should definitely be allowed to rest. Half the time, when you're hiding, you're hiding so that you can get away and recuperate. I RP my hiding as actual hiding, be in the grass or behind some shale, or behind some rock. It's not darting around and slinking, circling around some person. Even if it is, you should be able to hide stationary, stick in your spot, and rest.
So I'll change the suggestion from sleeping to resting. If hide is indeed "darting" around, then that should be reflected in the helpfile, so we can all RP accordingly.
Hide is remaining unseen, period. If you are the type to want cantrips for your character, then you can play it as such, even. Hiding is simply hiding. There are numerous ways in which to remain hidden. Sometimes, you need to move, and sometimes, you need to duck, and sometimes, you need to climb....