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Poll
Question: Do you prioritize stats?
Option 1: Yes votes: 27
Option 2: No votes: 2
Option 3: It depends votes: 8
Title: Stat Prioritization
Post by: The Silence of the Erdlus on February 14, 2016, 11:39:10 AM
How do you prioritize your stats?

I'm a str end agi wis kind of girl. I like taking my time learning and I like having more hitpoints and stamina but most of all I need to be able to carry a lot.
Title: Re: Stat Prioritization
Post by: Jihelu on February 14, 2016, 11:40:39 AM
Agility.
Always agility.
Less I'm playing merchant/magicker
Then wisdom
Title: Re: Stat Prioritization
Post by: The Silence of the Erdlus on February 14, 2016, 11:44:08 AM
Having advanced or journeyman in something isn't a right for me, its a privilege.

That has backfired a few times but hey, you can always make a new character.
Title: Re: Stat Prioritization
Post by: Barsook on February 14, 2016, 11:44:29 AM
It depends on what PC concept that I have in mind.
Title: Re: Stat Prioritization
Post by: valeria on February 14, 2016, 11:45:55 AM
Sometimes no (lol why would I prioritize stats on my nobles), and it depends on whether one stat is more critical to my character concept than another.  I've made more than a few physical characters where I just don't care because I find all of the stats useful.  I'd probably prioritize wisdom on a gicker and agility on a sneaky.

I keep wanting to make a high-agility warrior character that uses spears.  I would totally not name her Oberyn.
Title: Re: Stat Prioritization
Post by: RogueGunslinger on February 14, 2016, 12:08:38 PM
Every time. Most of the time I prioritize every stat, but when playing magickers it's wisdom-strength and I let the others randomize.

Warrior/ranger/assassin - Str Agi Wis End sometimes I swap wisdom and endurance.
Title: Re: Stat Prioritization
Post by: Synthesis on February 14, 2016, 12:39:34 PM
I want to prioritize agility every time, but I've been burned by heinous carrying capacity, so I think I'm going to start sucking it up and going with strength first, like everyone else.
Title: Re: Stat Prioritization
Post by: Dresan on February 14, 2016, 01:54:03 PM
I think encumbrance vs strength really need to be looked at, good human strength is not really that good even with leathers.
Title: Re: Stat Prioritization
Post by: RogueGunslinger on February 14, 2016, 02:20:58 PM
If good human strength isn't enough for you to wear leather you should probably stop lugging head-sized hunks of stone and 50 lbs of water in your pack.

I'd much rather strength not be so good for combat than to take away it's side-effects like encumbrance.
Title: Re: Stat Prioritization
Post by: Dresan on February 14, 2016, 02:42:37 PM
Assumptions about how I'm playing aside. Its never really sounded like it is just the damage output is the thing that makes people want to prioritize strength. At least it isn't in my case.
Title: Re: Stat Prioritization
Post by: JackGibbons on February 14, 2016, 03:05:47 PM
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on February 14, 2016, 12:08:38 PM
Every time. Most of the time I prioritize every stat, but when playing magickers it's wisdom-strength and I let the others randomize.

Warrior/ranger/assassin - Str Agi Wis End sometimes I swap wisdom and endurance.

If it's within the rules to answer, why do you put Wis above End? Won't having more HP/Stun be more important than skilling up a bit faster? You can always invest more time into the char to overcome the lower Wis but you can't gain HP/Stun by playing (except age of course).
Title: Re: Stat Prioritization
Post by: RogueGunslinger on February 14, 2016, 03:45:28 PM
I'd rather avoid poor wisdom than benefit from the effects of above average endurance. Is how I reason it.
Title: Re: Stat Prioritization
Post by: JackGibbons on February 14, 2016, 03:57:58 PM
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on February 14, 2016, 03:45:28 PM
I'd rather avoid poor wisdom than benefit from the effects of above average endurance. Is how I reason it.

Sure, the only thing I can think of that wisdom does is makes your skilling take longer, which you can solve with patience. But perhaps it has more effects beyond that that I'm not considering. Helpfile just says "learn from their mistakes quicker, magickers regenerate faster, and languages are picked up more easily".
Title: Re: Stat Prioritization
Post by: Beethoven on February 14, 2016, 04:23:51 PM
Quote from: valeria on February 14, 2016, 11:45:55 AM
Sometimes no (lol why would I prioritize stats on my nobles)

Prioritize endurance for all that Waying!
Title: Re: Stat Prioritization
Post by: JackGibbons on February 14, 2016, 05:02:06 PM
Quote from: Beethoven on February 14, 2016, 04:23:51 PM
Quote from: valeria on February 14, 2016, 11:45:55 AM
Sometimes no (lol why would I prioritize stats on my nobles)

Prioritize endurance for all that Waying!

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Title: Re: Stat Prioritization
Post by: Asmoth on February 14, 2016, 05:18:14 PM
Play a D-elf with AI wisdom, and you'll shit your pants how quick you learn languages.
Title: Re: Stat Prioritization
Post by: Patuk on February 14, 2016, 05:30:13 PM
Quote from: Asmoth on February 14, 2016, 05:18:14 PM
Play a D-elf with AI wisdom, and you'll shit your pants how quick you learn languages.

I'd be inclined to agree if elves actually had higher wisdom than humans do, which they don't.
Title: Re: Stat Prioritization
Post by: RogueGunslinger on February 14, 2016, 05:32:41 PM
You're basing that off of mana, right? In my experience elves learn quicker than humans. To a noticeable degree.
Title: Re: Stat Prioritization
Post by: Patuk on February 14, 2016, 05:42:02 PM
I do, but even then, the difference between humans and elves is nowhere near as noticeable as the difference between humans and dwarves is.
Title: Re: Stat Prioritization
Post by: The Silence of the Erdlus on February 14, 2016, 05:44:58 PM
Humans and elves can have fertile children together, so I imagine the difference isn't quite as great.
Title: Re: Stat Prioritization
Post by: Patuk on February 14, 2016, 05:49:02 PM
Not too sure about that, the difference in strength and agility is huge.
Title: Re: Stat Prioritization
Post by: IAmJacksOpinion on February 14, 2016, 06:31:09 PM
It depends entirely on what I'm playing.

Agi Str End Wis probably winds up in my prompt more often than anything else b/c I don't like to play big, bulky fighters very often.
Title: Re: Stat Prioritization
Post by: evilcabbage on February 14, 2016, 06:54:17 PM
humans in zalanthas are physically weaker than humans in real life, as far as strength goes.

a human, to actually start carrying the amount of weight your average real life human is, needs at the very lead very good to extremely good strength.

an -average- zalanthan human is weaker than the -average- real life human.

that is why most people go str agi first. they need the high strength because they can barely lift a corpse even when mostly naked.
Title: Re: Stat Prioritization
Post by: Lizzie on February 14, 2016, 06:59:17 PM
I prioritized twice. I was not happy with the results either time. That was shortly after the option was first rolled out. Haven't bothered since. I always do a random roll and if I'm not -really- happy with the results, I'll reroll, and then reroll undo if necessary. I haven't had an unplayable character, ever, so it's a non-issue for me.
Title: Re: Stat Prioritization
Post by: John on February 14, 2016, 09:15:22 PM
It depends on the character I'm playing. If I've written a description of a big brawny man, I'll prioritise strength. If I've got a 90 lb weakling, I'll prioritise Wisdom.

Do I prioritise stats based on class? Sorta? I've played big brawny magickers and merchants. I've played agile fighters and strong rangers. I largely look at the character's background and what they've done with their life. Gone out mining 'sid? Probably have strength. Gone out foraging rocks? Probably endurance followed by strength? Gone out mining salt? Whatever I feel like, probably endurance. Stayed in the city all their lives? Probably not prioritising strength or endurance.

It all just depends. I always prioritise. Although mostly so I don't end up with "this man is really weak" and then getting absolutely incredible strength.
Title: Re: Stat Prioritization
Post by: Kryos on February 15, 2016, 04:36:41 AM
I have learned it doesn't matter for me, I'll never see an AI stat(insert crying here).  But yes, I always prioritize and have a fairly stable order I use based on role type.
Title: Re: Stat Prioritization
Post by: MeTekillot on February 15, 2016, 04:41:00 AM
I think I know what stat I always prioritize first.
Title: Re: Stat Prioritization
Post by: 650Booger on February 17, 2016, 06:11:50 AM
if you give WIS a low priority, do you then RP your character as not very intelligent? 
Title: Re: Stat Prioritization
Post by: John on February 17, 2016, 06:50:08 AM
Quote from: 650Booger on February 17, 2016, 06:11:50 AM
if you give WIS a low priority, do you then RP your character as not very intelligent?  
Wisdom is my current character's worse score. It is average. Dumping wisdom doesn't mean you're not smart (can't remember what score I put wisdom on. I know it wasn't my highest score).

Also I reject the idea that you cannot be smart if you have a low wisdom score. Wisdom in Armageddon represents how quickly you learn new things. You can be knowledgeable (have high ranks in various different skills) and yet have low wisdom. It represents for Half-Giants how easily fooled they are, but they could be quite knowledgable and may pick up new things very quickly (although have no deep understanding of what they're doing). You could also be cunning, but not be very knowledgeable about things.

A low wisdom score should definitely represent something about your character. But IMO it does not necessarily mean you have low intelligence.
Title: Re: Stat Prioritization
Post by: Riev on February 17, 2016, 06:58:19 AM
I treat WIS like DnD would treat WIS. We don't have an INT stat, because thats more of an RP tool here. If you have low WIS you might be the kind of person who constantly makes the same mistakes and doesn't learn from them (read: the bad criminal who keeps trying to steal from the same people).

Or, perhaps, you're the dwarf-like focus kind of person who doesn't have the capacity to focus on several things at once... if its not in front of you at the current moment it may as well not exist.

Shit, could take the mystical route a la magickers and even suggest that having low WIS means you're not as 'attuned' to your environment (or your self) and you thusly aren't very observant of your physical surroundings, or emotions of others.






Or its just a dump stat because you aren't a filthy witch/casual and plan on grinding until you're gud anyway.