I'm talking about mostly northern and southern, since I'd expect tribal accents are much more varied.
Do elves have their own accent? I've only seen about four accents I believe, but my play areas have been kind of limited to date.
From what I know, there are five accents.
Staccato accent is probably staccato sounding.
I think elves and dwarves should get their own accents, but alas, only delves have something of their own.
Additionally, it'd be great if there was a posh-accented sirihish for nobles and such.
I was actually thinking the same thing, Patuk!
It would be fun if we could tell a noble's accent from a farmer's or a beggar's. They likely speak much, much differently!
I always took northern to be more softer-spoken, and southern to be more gruff, based on the locales.
Tribal I took to have a more gypsy-sounding tone.
Staccato is a tone that generally uses the sound and pitch of a word to make it sound different. Think Mandarin or something like that if you want to know how that sounds.
Rinthi uhhh.... rinthi is rinthi.
Edited to Add: The below is my opinion. I am not on staff. I don't expect you to stop doing your thing because I don't like it. I just wish tribal-accented people would learn the difference between a language barrier and an accent.
There is a difference between an accent and a language barrier.
You know Sirihish. You speak it just fine. Look at your skills list. Trust me on this. You have no reason to make up words that don't exist or miss words entirely when you are speaking as if you don't know Sirihish.
You don't have a language barrier. You have an accent. You speak the language just fine. You just sound different when using the exact same words everyone else is using in the same way.
"I'm going to the Gaj to get a mug of ale at the bar. You want to come?"This does not become:
"I am going to drinking place for drinking. You are come and have city water from cup at long table with stools?"Dear Tek....you don't have a language barrier. You know what all of the words mean and how to use them. They just sound differently when you use them.
It is the exact same thing as if you went from New York to Texas. The words would be the same. They would just sound differently. That's how accents work.
Noun 1. language barrier - barrier to communication resulting from speaking different languages
Noun 1. accent - prominence of a syllable in terms of differential loudness, or of pitch, or length, or of a combination of these. Quote from: Desertman on November 11, 2012, 12:23:05 PM
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Uh. Who are you to decide how well other characters speak sirihish? I'd rather people roleplay out a language deficiency than ask for staff to lower the skill value.
Quote from: Marauder Moe on April 27, 2015, 10:51:59 AM
Uh. Who are you to decide how well other characters speak sirihish? I'd rather people roleplay out a language deficiency than ask for staff to lower the skill value.
I don't get to decide. I can sure tell people it irritates me.
It irritates me. The above is why it irritates me.
Sirihish may not be a first language for tribals.
Accent-wise, we haaaaave...
Northern
Southern
Rinthi
Tribal
Desert
Staccato (not actually sure where this is from)
And maybe whatever obscure accents mantis and gith use.
I added a disclaimer to limit any confusion.
So you are irritated that people don't know the difference.
What if I told you they do know...
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...but willfully choose to roleplay out a language barrier in addition to their accent?
I would say that's a good point. I would also say to the people who don't know the difference, now you know.
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Quote from: Desertman on April 27, 2015, 10:44:10 AM
Edited to Add: The below is my opinion. I am not on staff. I don't expect you to stop doing your thing because I don't like it.
I just wish tribal-accented people would learn the difference between a language barrier and an accent.
There is a difference between an accent and a language barrier.
You know Sirihish. You speak it just fine. Look at your skills list. Trust me on this. You have no reason to make up words that don't exist or miss words entirely when you are speaking as if you don't know Sirihish.
You don't have a language barrier. You have an accent. You speak the language just fine. You just sound different when using the exact same words everyone else is using in the same way.
"I'm going to the Gaj to get a mug of ale at the bar. You want to come?"
This does not become:
"I am going to drinking place for drinking. You are come and have city water from cup at long table with stools?"
Dear Tek....you don't have a language barrier. You know what all of the words mean and how to use them. They just sound differently when you use them.
It is the exact same thing as if you went from New York to Texas. The words would be the same. They would just sound differently. That's how accents work.
Noun 1. language barrier - barrier to communication resulting from speaking different languages
Noun 1. accent - prominence of a syllable in terms of differential loudness, or of pitch, or length, or of a combination of these.
Quote from: Desertman on November 11, 2012, 12:23:05 PM
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Wow, I just have to say you are completely wrong here. If you ever played a tribal human that was clanned tribal (Arabeti or Seik) You would know how wrong you are. First of all there is a list of words that means things to them and this is approved by Staff. Secondly, since everyone in the camps speaks Bendune I would expect that a character that has lived in the camps all their life with very little interaction outside would have some sort of confusion when using Sirihish.
I would expect the same to be true of any unclanned tribal that has a bio that says they've always lived in the tribe and had very little interaction with outsiders.
What you are saying is equivalent to the following scenario:
Joe was born and grows up in Poland. He speaks Polish, but knows English. Just because Joe knows English, he'll understand EVERYTHING including slang when he comes to America.
I found your post rather closed-minded and unaccepting of how things really are.
Having said this, Tribals, please feel free to play your characters as you have and how you want to. If you are doing something wrong someone can submit a complaint and Staff can determine if you are. Please don't let one person's views shape how you play your character.
Quote from: Desertman on April 27, 2015, 10:44:10 AM
Edited to Add: The below is my opinion. I am not on staff. I don't expect you to stop doing your thing because I don't like it.
If you are in a staff approved tribal clan with staff approved docs for staff approved words...go wild.
I'm still of the opinion accents aren't language barriers. If they ALSO have language barrier intentionally and know the difference, I'm not talking to them.
That is so messed up, but have fun with how you choose to play. Good luck.
Quote from: slvrmoontiger on April 27, 2015, 11:17:47 AM
That is so messed up, but have fun with how you choose to play. Good luck.
I respect your opinion. Thank you.
Language barriers are hard to pull off correctly, and should also slowly improve over time. But kudos to those who can do it non-annoyingly.
What if you are role playing the dude role playing a dude who has a language barrier.
I personally am with Desertman, but not to that extreme. I have a hard time believing a "world travelling trader" has a hard time using proper Common tongue. Some people are better than "I is derpina, we is to be sexing?" but I don't mind it. I mind when that PC is around for 3 RL months, still sounds the same... wugh.
On topic though, I always though of Southern Accent to be more... cockney-ish. By that, I mean leaving out half a syllable here, maybe sort of speaking in a grumbling style. The north always seemed to be... like their Highborn are respected and revered, so commoners would PROBABLY adopt a speech pattern and tone similar to the foppy posh nobles, and as such are more flowing from word to word, not quite sing-song but a similar manner.
One day I decided warrens accent was cajun.
Quote from: HavokBlue on April 27, 2015, 10:57:15 AM
Sirihish may not be a first language for tribals.
Accent-wise, we haaaaave...
Northern
Southern
Rinthi
Tribal
Desert
Staccato (not actually sure where this is from)
And maybe whatever obscure accents mantis and gith use.
There's a Desert one?! Never knew that.
I think the staccato accent used to be called "desert."
Northern = England,
Warrens = Cajun,
Southern = Boston,
Rinthi = Cockney,
Storm = Aussie,
Tribal = India
In my mind at the moment.
I always just assumed most tribals with syntax problems grew up speaking Bendune and learned Sirihish later, after their language patterns were set.
If you've ever watched Django Unchained, I like to think all the southern nobles sound like Monsieur Candie.
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Quote from: KankWhisperer on April 27, 2015, 12:20:34 PM
Northern = England,
Warrens = Cajun,
Southern = Boston,
Rinthi = Cockney,
Storm = Aussie,
Tribal = India
In my mind at the moment.
Similar in my mind, but Northern = Edinburgh; Southern = New York
Quote from: valeria on April 27, 2015, 12:21:22 PM
I always just assumed most tribals with syntax problems grew up speaking Bendune and learned Sirihish later, after their language patterns were set.
Well, what bothers me is when they talk with the same grammar in both bendune and sirihish.
Talk normally in bendune, poorly in sirihish, then I'll give you a pass.
IM(NS)HO.
The majority of people playing Arm is monolingual anglophone. It may be difficult for many to really be intimately familiar with different grammar structures. Hell, I feel like I might slip up often if I tried doing the same by adding Dutch grammar to the English language.
Quote from: KankWhisperer on April 27, 2015, 12:20:34 PM
Northern = England,
Warrens = Cajun,
Southern = Boston,
Rinthi = Cockney,
Storm = Aussie,
Tribal = India
In my mind at the moment.
Now that you mention it, that sounds pretty close to what i imagined it.
I was initially mistaken. There is north, south, tribal, staccato, rinthi, and one more that you gotta find yerself.
Highborn accent! :D
Quote from: Delirium on April 27, 2015, 02:47:30 PM
Quote from: valeria on April 27, 2015, 12:21:22 PM
I always just assumed most tribals with syntax problems grew up speaking Bendune and learned Sirihish later, after their language patterns were set.
Well, what bothers me is when they talk with the same grammar in both bendune and sirihish.
Talk normally in bendune, poorly in sirihish, then I'll give you a pass.
IM(NS)HO.
When I play a tribal that claims to have little outside contact from the tribe and if they set up to be an intelligent character they start off with perfect Bendune and choppy Sirihish. They move slowly and progress until they understand most things and can speak Sirihish perfectly, however there are still things that make no sense to them when they hear words in Sirihish that they haven't had exposure to. If they are not so intelligent, they speak Bendune well, and Sirihish in a manner where it's understandable, but not completely to a point of fluency. They take a very long time to understand Sirihish and in the end will always have much better Bendune than Sirihish. I agree that over time the language barrier should lessen to the point where it's non-existent after a while in society speaking primarily Sirihish.
That being said even at the point where Sirihish has been perfected, there may be times when they slip. Such times might be: when they are drunk (heck no one talks normally when they are drunk) and when they are extremely upset (either extremely angry or very saddened). Times like this I think the slips can be considered as an acceptable practice.
Quote from: KankWhisperer on April 27, 2015, 12:20:34 PM
Northern = England,
Warrens = Cajun,
Southern = Boston,
Rinthi = Cockney,
Storm = Aussie,
Tribal = India
In my mind at the moment.
Back on topic for this:
I didn't know Storm had it's own accent. Tribal accent really can vary from how I think. I would expect a southern tribe to have a different accent than a northern tribe. In fact I'd think that from tribe to tribe each could have a varying accent. Beyond that I loved this list and felt it sounded appropriate.
Storm doesn't have its own accent, but it sort of makes sense. How much can you expect the accent to change when you're so close to eachother. (this actually makes me wonder how far the cities are form each-other, geographically. They're close in game, but everything is close in-game.
Quote from: KankWhisperer on April 27, 2015, 12:20:34 PM
Northern = England,
Warrens = Cajun,
Southern = Boston,
Rinthi = Cockney,
Storm = Aussie,
Tribal = India
In my mind at the moment.
Of which England and India aren't accents...
Zalanthas isn't earth either.
Tribal should sound like the accent of whatever you imagine Bendune to sound like.
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on April 27, 2015, 06:24:44 PM
Storm doesn't have its own accent, but it sort of makes sense. How much can you expect the accent to change when you're so close to eachother. (this actually makes me wonder how far the cities are form each-other, geographically. They're close in game, but everything is close in-game.
Makes it difficult to determine as the unit of measurement changes and varies from section to section of the game world. Since there's never really been a policy of how many feet/miles a room equals it's hard to figure this out. Though I suspect the distance would be in feet if not inches. After all who can shoot an arrow 2 miles away and hit the target?
Quote from: Case on April 27, 2015, 06:35:07 PM
Quote from: KankWhisperer on April 27, 2015, 12:20:34 PM
Northern = England,
Warrens = Cajun,
Southern = Boston,
Rinthi = Cockney,
Storm = Aussie,
Tribal = India
In my mind at the moment.
Of which England and India aren't accents...
Zalanthas isn't earth either.
case is just mad she sounds like a stormer
Quote from: HavokBlue on April 27, 2015, 07:19:25 PM
Quote from: Case on April 27, 2015, 06:35:07 PM
Quote from: KankWhisperer on April 27, 2015, 12:20:34 PM
Northern = England,
Warrens = Cajun,
Southern = Boston,
Rinthi = Cockney,
Storm = Aussie,
Tribal = India
In my mind at the moment.
Of which England and India aren't accents...
Zalanthas isn't earth either.
case is just mad she sounds like a stormer
I sound like a shut up or I'll cut you
Nyr has said before that the Known is about the size of Michigan.How that relates to Allanak's distance from Storm, I don't know.
Also, HavokBlue's post makes me wonder what'd happen to my English if I ever should get drunk.
That always makes me think "But then we should be moving REALLY slow between places." But then I remember we're moving in a fast-forward time-frame in the game.
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on April 27, 2015, 06:24:44 PM
Storm doesn't have its own accent, but it sort of makes sense. How much can you expect the accent to change when you're so close to eachother. (this actually makes me wonder how far the cities are form each-other, geographically. They're close in game, but everything is close in-game.
Don't think that matters personally. I went to school in a tourist town with the super rich that has a bunch of poor hispanics on one side and an indian reservation on the other side. Three distinct accents at least.
Yeah if it really is as big as Michigan it makes perfect sense. You can find all kinds of accent disparity in places as small as New Jersey.
Well the Labyrinth has its own accent, and it's in Allanak isn't it?
And being that they're quite a bit more isolated than even that, with their own odd culture, I'm sure Storm would have their own accent too, realistically.
It's the size of montana, not michiga .
Holland is a lot smaller than that, and has separate accents, too. The size isn't really an issue in that regard.
Tribals obviously sound like Tarzan.
Quote from: Delirium on April 27, 2015, 02:47:30 PM
Quote from: valeria on April 27, 2015, 12:21:22 PM
I always just assumed most tribals with syntax problems grew up speaking Bendune and learned Sirihish later, after their language patterns were set.
Well, what bothers me is when they talk with the same grammar in both bendune and sirihish.
Talk normally in bendune, poorly in sirihish, then I'll give you a pass.
IM(NS)HO.
+1
Staccato is the desert accent.
Quote from: KankWhisperer on April 27, 2015, 12:20:34 PM
Northern = England,
Warrens = Cajun,
Southern = Boston,
Rinthi = Cockney,
Storm = Aussie,
Tribal = India
In my mind at the moment.
From how I've seen some northerners talk, they sound like they have an australian accent.
Southerners, in my mind, sound Indian-English. But I am biased because I grew up in a british colony.
Edit: Actually, you're right. Tribals should sound Indian. Southerners should sound like English-speakers with Israeli accents.
I stopped reading this to watch the bird on Case's pic run away from the explosion. It is glorious. Also. I sorta imagine southern accents.