With the changes being made to apts in Allanak, I thought it would be an appropriate time to discuss the possibility of something like the No-Tell Motel.
Simply put, it's a building with rentable rooms. Or an "Inn" (though that word has a very un-Zalanthany feel to me.) These would function very similarly to the back room at a bar. You pay the rent (50 sid or whatever), you're escorted in, and you can't get back in when you leave without re-renting. The No-Tell Motel could be a little more along the lines of an apartment, where you would rent a room then be given a key and/or escorted back, and would have to return the key to leave. This would allow the rooms to be snuck into / picked open just as easily, if not more easily, than the average apartment. There would only be a few of these rooms available, and they would be no-save, no-quit so that people can't log out in them, or use them as storage or whatever.
For many people apartments just aren't all that practical - maybe you're in a clan which already offers more secure storage, or you simply don't have that much stuff to begin with. However, you still occasionally have need for the benefits an apartment offers - a safe(ish) place to regen health after a hunt has gone bad, a safe(ish) place to go mudsex / kill prostitutes, a safe(ish) place to have a private meeting, or a safe(ish) place to lay low for a short while. This would solve those short term problems well. They would have a cost, so a player wouldn't be able to use them constantly without incurring a high personal cost. They would be no safer from burglars and the lot than apartments. (If the rent code operated similar to apartments, a mugger could potentially see which rooms are occupied / vacant, thus making them even LESS safe than apartments.) They wouldn't offer safe log outs / store rooms for goods, as anything left behind would disappear on reboot, or be scooped up by the next renter. You COULD go linkdead in it, but I doubt anyone would WANT to because of the aforementioned security problems...
What are your thoughts? Is this a feasible and/or good idea?
Filthy joke suggestion: Since it'll probably be used by mud sexers more than anyone else, we could name it the "Glad-He-Ate-Her and the Gash." Stay classy gdb...
There are a lot of rooms in Allanak that can serve this purpose already, I think.
I'd be in favor of this.
While there is the rented room in the Gaj and other semi-private places around and about Allanak, but nothing quite... There, I guess, when compared to OP's idea.
I like that it's not 100% secure like the rentable Gaj room, and I like that it's more secure than napping in an abandoned building.
Plas wan.
I DO like killing prostitutes.
/Ben Affleck
I approve.
I like the idea.
Quote from: HavokBlue on February 26, 2014, 02:05:42 AM
There are a lot of rooms in Allanak that can serve this purpose already, I think.
Not against the idea in principle though.
I dig this.
Quote from: Jingo on February 26, 2014, 03:59:09 AM
Quote from: HavokBlue on February 26, 2014, 02:05:42 AM
There are a lot of rooms in Allanak that can serve this purpose already, I think.
Not against the idea in principle though.
I'm always for new content, I'm just sayin there are some underutilized rooms in Allanak that can serve this purpose pretty well.
Quote from: IAmJacksOpinion on February 26, 2014, 02:00:56 AM
With the changes being made to apts in Allanak, I thought it would be an appropriate time to discuss the possibility of something like the No-Tell Motel.
Simply put, it's a building with rentable rooms. Or an "Inn" (though that word has a very un-Zalanthany feel to me.) These would function very similarly to the back room at a bar. You pay the rent (50 sid or whatever), you're escorted in, and you can't get back in when you leave without re-renting. The No-Tell Motel could be a little more along the lines of an apartment, where you would rent a room then be given a key and/or escorted back, and would have to return the key to leave. This would allow the rooms to be snuck into / picked open just as easily, if not more easily, than the average apartment. There would only be a few of these rooms available, and they would be no-save, no-quit so that people can't log out in them, or use them as storage or whatever.
For many people apartments just aren't all that practical - maybe you're in a clan which already offers more secure storage, or you simply don't have that much stuff to begin with. However, you still occasionally have need for the benefits an apartment offers - a safe(ish) place to regen health after a hunt has gone bad, a safe(ish) place to go mudsex / kill prostitutes, a safe(ish) place to have a private meeting, or a safe(ish) place to lay low for a short while. This would solve those short term problems well. They would have a cost, so a player wouldn't be able to use them constantly without incurring a high personal cost. They would be no safer from burglars and the lot than apartments. (If the rent code operated similar to apartments, a mugger could potentially see which rooms are occupied / vacant, thus making them even LESS safe than apartments.) They wouldn't offer safe log outs / store rooms for goods, as anything left behind would disappear on reboot, or be scooped up by the next renter. You COULD go linkdead in it, but I doubt anyone would WANT to because of the aforementioned security problems...
What are your thoughts? Is this a feasible and/or good idea?
Filthy joke suggestion: Since it'll probably be used by mud sexers more than anyone else, we could name it the "Glad-He-Ate-Her and the Gash." Stay classy gdb...
I love this idea.
I'll explain. People seem to really like adding elements of romance and intimacy in their rp. So, they rent apartments together. Or they have secret meetings and need privacy. And they log out in in those apartments, and what with one thing and another it may be easier to stay there and way the people they need, or sort their stuff, or inventory what was robbed. And they spend an increasing amount of dead time in those apartments.
Short term privacy puts them back into the population more quickly.
I've always wanted to see inn rooms.
I love this idea!
Come on Nenyuk, jump on the bandwagon errr bandargosy!
I think this is a fantastic idea. It fits very well between random semi-private areas and full on apartments. In Allanak, at least, I always felt a little weird using some of the semi-private rooms. Sometimes the descriptions make me think someone may actually be living there, and it feels weird to just walk in and use it for a drug deal, murder, or whatever. Some of my characters don't care. But for the rest of my characters, the idea from the OP would be absolutely perfect.
Quote from: ShaLeah on February 26, 2014, 08:47:11 AM
I love this idea!
Come on Nenyuk, jump on the bandwagon errr bandargosy!
But isn't bandwagon a proper term since there are wagons in Zalanthas?
I don't know, I feel like there are a ton of rooms that serve this purpose (very unsecure, very unsafe to quit in, not entirely private).
In fact, I would say that adding even more rooms (that have a cost) would see the playerbase underutilizing such an addition to the game. That would be my two sids, though, and somebody is free to counter at any time.
I'd like to see optimization of the current situation before inn rooms go in but that doesn't mean the idea isn't gold.
Quote from: Saellyn on February 26, 2014, 10:07:00 AM
Quote from: ShaLeah on February 26, 2014, 08:47:11 AM
I love this idea!
Come on Nenyuk, jump on the bandwagon errr bandargosy!
But isn't bandwagon a proper term since there are wagons in Zalanthas?
I don't know, I feel like there are a ton of rooms that serve this purpose (very unsecure, very unsafe to quit in, not entirely private).
In fact, I would say that adding even more rooms (that have a cost) would see the playerbase underutilizing such an addition to the game. That would be my two sids, though, and somebody is free to counter at any time.
There's a difference between a rental and a room too let. Just like the back room of the Gaj, you can only use it for a while, you can't quit in there. A table, a cot and get the fuck out after your your trist with the elf. If my noble's aide has a side piece she's keeping quiet she sure as hell won't be taking them home if her primary piece of ass wants her faithful. She'll be renting a room and reassuring her dumpling it was just a meeting.
No-tel, Mo-tel, Allanaki Inn
Say if your girl starts actin' up, then you take her friend.
Master Gee! My mellow!
It's on to you, so whatcha gonna do?
Quote from: mattrious on February 27, 2014, 01:12:17 PM
No-tel, Mo-tel, Allanaki Inn
Say if your girl starts actin' up, then you take her friend.
Master Gee! My mellow!
It's on to you, so whatcha gonna do?
Well, it's on'n'n'on'n'on on'n'on,
The beat don't stop until Krath break's to dawn.
I said M-A-S, T-E-R, a G with a double E,
I said I go by the unforgettable name
Of the man they call the Master Gee.
Well, my name is known all over the Known
By all the noble ladies and the 'naki girls.
I'm goin' down in history
As the baddest kanker there ever could be.
Now Im feelin' the highs
and Im reeling from blows
Hip, hop the gypsie
to the hip-hip raptor
ya don't stop, raptor
out baby tregil
to the boogedy bang-bang
(Lizzie Trivia: Rapper's Delight was one of my favorite dance tunes in the era of the birth of hip-hop, in 1979)
Quote from: Saellyn on February 26, 2014, 10:07:00 AM
But isn't bandwagon a proper term since there are wagons in Zalanthas?
I don't know, I feel like there are a ton of rooms that serve this purpose (very unsecure, very unsafe to quit in, not entirely private).
In fact, I would say that adding even more rooms (that have a cost) would see the playerbase underutilizing such an addition to the game. That would be my two sids, though, and somebody is free to counter at any time.
Agreed... but those rooms aren't actually private. Almost all of us know about most of them. And, as someone said, half of them feel a bit too 'lived in' for most peoples tastes. Who honestly sleeps off an injury or has sex in a curtained booth, an abandoned building, someone else's house, an alley, a balcony, or what is basically some other homeless dudes cardboard box? I usually feel like a bit twinkish about using these areas, when I have to resort to it.
Additionally, my experience with these areas is that the AOD patrols them and looks upon anyone in them with great suspicion. Hell, I know I have when I've played militia. If I've got the black to spare, I really don't want to be shaken down when I'm trying to nap off a scrab wound.
The areas I'm suggesting wouldn't detract from the availability of free places in any way. And they wouldn't exactly be safe either. Every player would know that THAT's the place to go to find victims to rob, or info about who's fucking / meeting with who. If I were playing a mugger, I could just hide in that room and watch who's coming or going. Depending on whether they went in injured, alone, or in a pair I could quickly surmise whether they'll be sleeping, psiing (low on stun), or nekid.
Now, if they were put in a semi-public room, such as off of the dormatories in the Gaj, you'd reduce the likeliness of an assassin frenzy, but not the possibility. If you had the black to spare, you could sleep a bit more soundly and mudsex a bit more intimately without having to be tied to those damned apartments.
Quote from: IAmJacksOpinion on February 27, 2014, 04:44:37 PM
Who honestly sleeps off an injury or has sex in a curtained booth, an abandoned building, someone else's house, an alley, a balcony, or what is basically some other homeless dudes cardboard box?
If you only knew....
:-[
It happens in the real world more than you would believe.
I think staff in this game have learned the hard way the downsides of being All-Seeing.
Quote from: IAmJacksOpinion on February 27, 2014, 04:44:37 PM
Agreed... but those rooms aren't actually private. Almost all of us know about most of them. And, as someone said, half of them feel a bit too 'lived in' for most peoples tastes. Who honestly sleeps off an injury or has sex in a curtained booth, an abandoned building, someone else's house, an alley, a balcony, or what is basically some other homeless dudes cardboard box?
In Brooklyn? Teenagers.
Quote from: Barzalene on March 02, 2014, 09:15:47 PM
Quote from: IAmJacksOpinion on February 27, 2014, 04:44:37 PM
Agreed... but those rooms aren't actually private. Almost all of us know about most of them. And, as someone said, half of them feel a bit too 'lived in' for most peoples tastes. Who honestly sleeps off an injury or has sex in a curtained booth, an abandoned building, someone else's house, an alley, a balcony, or what is basically some other homeless dudes cardboard box?
In Brooklyn? Teenagers.
On Zalanthas? Everyone. From rats to Templars.
... That Staff have actually probably seen me do things -in the middle of the desert- terrifies me a bit.
I remember once, I was doing something really dirty, and there was some odd room emote that popped, so I asked consent.
I got no reply. I promptly continued what I was doing...
I think a staffer may have gone bug-eyed.
Quote from: ShaLeah on March 03, 2014, 12:26:59 AM
Quote from: Barzalene on March 02, 2014, 09:15:47 PM
Quote from: IAmJacksOpinion on February 27, 2014, 04:44:37 PM
Agreed... but those rooms aren't actually private. Almost all of us know about most of them. And, as someone said, half of them feel a bit too 'lived in' for most peoples tastes. Who honestly sleeps off an injury or has sex in a curtained booth, an abandoned building, someone else's house, an alley, a balcony, or what is basically some other homeless dudes cardboard box?
In Brooklyn? Teenagers.
On Zalanthas? Everyone. From rats to Templars.
The Gaj's communal sleeping room has more whoring and debauchery than a parisian brothel on july 14th. Public sex doesn't seem like something Zalanthans would particularly mind, nor do I think a sense of privacy is something for most city-dwellers to have.
Quote from: Patuk on March 04, 2014, 05:22:29 PM
Quote from: ShaLeah on March 03, 2014, 12:26:59 AM
Quote from: Barzalene on March 02, 2014, 09:15:47 PM
Quote from: IAmJacksOpinion on February 27, 2014, 04:44:37 PM
Agreed... but those rooms aren't actually private. Almost all of us know about most of them. And, as someone said, half of them feel a bit too 'lived in' for most peoples tastes. Who honestly sleeps off an injury or has sex in a curtained booth, an abandoned building, someone else's house, an alley, a balcony, or what is basically some other homeless dudes cardboard box?
In Brooklyn? Teenagers.
On Zalanthas? Everyone. From rats to Templars.
The Gaj's communal sleeping room has more whoring and debauchery than a parisian brothel on july 14th. Public sex doesn't seem like something Zalanthans would particularly mind, nor do I think a sense of privacy is something for most city-dwellers to have.
True, but people don't want to log in and immediately see people having mudsex on the bedroll next to their character. That's just rude. Although, I wouldn't mind seeing more room emotes in the Gaj's dorm concerning whoring and what not. I doubt sex is all that private on Zalanthas. Not much seems to be. It definitely happens, but it's something better left to the vNPC's
The idea of a "motel" or sorts sounds good. If tastefully done. I remember seeing the movie "Taken" a while back, and one of the brothels was a hallway with a bunch of rooms cut off by curtains. I could see some a Zalanthas inn or brothel being very similar. Cheap, some-what safe and decently private rooms. These kind of rented rooms should be far from cushy. But liveable semi-safe, it could be guarded and only people who rent it may enter it (excluding burglars, assassins etc). Similar to the current code for when renting rooms in taverns.
That would of course be the cheapest of "inns". There might be upper scale, expensive "inns" for the high class as well.
Quote from: Adhira on March 02, 2014, 08:08:41 PM
Quote from: IAmJacksOpinion on February 27, 2014, 04:44:37 PM
Who honestly sleeps off an injury or has sex in a curtained booth, an abandoned building, someone else's house, an alley, a balcony, or what is basically some other homeless dudes cardboard box?
If you only knew....
:-[
I thought you were not supposed to watch!!!!!
Where did you hear that? :p
Quote from: Norcal on March 12, 2014, 11:34:31 AM
Quote from: Adhira on March 02, 2014, 08:08:41 PM
Quote from: IAmJacksOpinion on February 27, 2014, 04:44:37 PM
Who honestly sleeps off an injury or has sex in a curtained booth, an abandoned building, someone else's house, an alley, a balcony, or what is basically some other homeless dudes cardboard box?
If you only knew....
:-[
I'm 3 out of 6 on that one.
I thought you were not supposed to watch!!!!!
Quote from: FantasyWriter on March 12, 2014, 08:07:35 PM
Where did you hear that? :p
Hah!
Next char, peeping Amos. Fo' sho'.
Lol...
Am I the only one who was a little saddened by a certain previously unoccupied pavilion in a certain bazaar being taking over by a certain desert gear selling GMH?
Quote from: Classclown on March 14, 2014, 02:35:55 PM
Am I the only one who was a little saddened by a certain previously unoccupied pavilion in a certain bazaar being taking over by a certain desert gear selling GMH?
It wasn't always previously unoccupied:
Quote1591 (Year 51 Age 21)
Quietly and discreetly, House Kurac pulls all personnel and possessions from Allanak, leaving behind only a bare estate.
Lizzie is correct.
Quote from: IAmJacksOpinion on February 27, 2014, 04:44:37 PM
Who honestly sleeps off an injury or has sex in a curtained booth, an abandoned building, someone else's house, an alley, a balcony, or what is basically some other homeless dudes cardboard box?
I have done all those things. Just saying. It happens.
Quote from: Norcal on March 12, 2014, 11:34:31 AM
Quote from: Adhira on March 02, 2014, 08:08:41 PM
Quote from: IAmJacksOpinion on February 27, 2014, 04:44:37 PM
Who honestly sleeps off an injury or has sex in a curtained booth, an abandoned building, someone else's house, an alley, a balcony, or what is basically some other homeless dudes cardboard box?
If you only knew....
:-[
I thought you were not supposed to watch!!!!!
Oh, there is no 'not supposed to watch', staff can watch whatever they like! I just try NOT to watch.
Quote from: Lizzie on March 14, 2014, 03:00:19 PM
It wasn't always previously unoccupied:
Quote1591 (Year 51 Age 21)
Quietly and discreetly, House Kurac pulls all personnel and possessions from Allanak, leaving behind only a bare estate.
It was still a nice quiet spot while unoccupied though.
(I was gonna link the song Memories, but then thought nahhh)
Quote from: Classclown on March 15, 2014, 03:40:22 PM
Quote from: Lizzie on March 14, 2014, 03:00:19 PM
It wasn't always previously unoccupied:
Quote1591 (Year 51 Age 21)
Quietly and discreetly, House Kurac pulls all personnel and possessions from Allanak, leaving behind only a bare estate.
It was still a nice quiet spot while unoccupied though.
(I was gonna link the song Memories, but then thought nahhh)
I'm on it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9E33_VNEz4
Quote from: Adhira on March 15, 2014, 03:19:12 PM
Quote from: Norcal on March 12, 2014, 11:34:31 AM
Quote from: Adhira on March 02, 2014, 08:08:41 PM
Quote from: IAmJacksOpinion on February 27, 2014, 04:44:37 PM
Who honestly sleeps off an injury or has sex in a curtained booth, an abandoned building, someone else's house, an alley, a balcony, or what is basically some other homeless dudes cardboard box?
If you only knew....
:-[
I thought you were not supposed to watch!!!!!
However..you find yourself unable to look away. Cheeky staffer.
Oh, there is no 'not supposed to watch', staff can watch whatever they like! I just try NOT to watch.
And to say otherwise will get you cut in your sleep.