Given the new policy, it's important that new players be absolutely made aware of all the possible transgressions that now exist. I suggest it should be boldly mentioned in character creation messages and at the top of new player documentation, else there could be problems among those used to free expression. It's different from no-consent in that words as well as actions need to be censured.
Its probably something that should be listed when one logs in since its such a major change for both old players and new ones alike. Is there a way of getting this done? Then again it might already be done and I just haven't seen it since I'm taking a break for right now.
It will be included in the MOTD, which players will see every time they log in.
Quote from: Eyeball on December 24, 2013, 02:05:16 PM
Given the new policy, it's important that new players be absolutely made aware of all the possible transgressions that now exist. I suggest it should be boldly mentioned in character creation messages and at the top of new player documentation, else there could be problems among those used to free expression. It's different from no-consent in that words as well as actions need to be censured.
I think this goes for a lot of rules and policies that, while being accepted as unwritten laws, are mostly either impossible or really hard to find for new players, and basically require that one read the GDB to know about.
OH, I thought this was to make sure newb players weren't scared away by all the rape-mongering on the GDB
Quote from: Aruven on January 02, 2014, 01:16:49 AM
OH, I thought this was to make sure newb players weren't scared away by all the rape-mongering on the GDB
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I think the less creepy thing would be if new players didn't just come to Arm and say "well gee I hope this place allows rape" and start raping away. I would imagine your standard person would not do anything so non-politically correct until they knew the climate of the game, maybe?
Quote from: Ktavialt on January 02, 2014, 02:20:19 AM
I think the less creepy thing would be if new players didn't just come to Arm and say "well gee I hope this place allows rape" and start raping away. I would imagine your standard person would not do anything so non-politically correct until they knew the climate of the game, maybe?
I was playing at Aardwolf for a while and stopped because I got sick of random players walking up and doing sexy text stuff with me, often without any introductions or asking, and sometimes while I was doing something or in the middle of combat.
I mean, you couldn't play a day around a substantial number of other players without running into it, and the staff don't care, probably because the game is crawling with people who are doing that.
I have a theory that a substantial number of the problem players involved in the creation of the blanket ban came from games like that. Pretty much all of the six to eight other text games I played, the prevailing atmosphere was like the one above.
And now, to stop posting and wait for these threads to go away. :)
Quote from: Ktavialt on January 02, 2014, 02:20:19 AM
I think the less creepy thing would be if new players didn't just come to Arm and say "well gee I hope this place allows rape" and start raping away. I would imagine your standard person would not do anything so non-politically correct until they knew the climate of the game, maybe?
I pretty much agree with this. I don't think we have to worry about new players so much as old, returning players who have been used to a specific policy for 10 years, then come back and the policy has changed. I expect that new players are either 1.) Going to read the rules and help files, or 2.) were going to break the rules anyhow.
To be honest, I haven't seen a ton of rape plot in the past 10 years or so anyhow, and what I've seen/heard of from our playerbase has typically been tastefully handled. That is ultimately one of my major concerns with any censoring of the game, that I've always felt like the players of arm as a whole have always been able to handle RP in a fairly mature fashion, and don't really need censored. If an influx of new players is what is causing the problem, I'd prefer to have less new players than to fundamentally alter the game environment to accommodate them. The game environment has been what has brought me back time and time again for the last 15+ years.
And just to put a stop to the attempted character assassinations that have been levied against me as of late, I'll finally do what I've been avoiding this entire argument. Here goes:
I have never, not once, pursued or been involved in a rape in game in all my 15 years of playing. Just because I fervently defend EVERYONE's right to RP what they want between two consenting players doesn't mean that I play a bunch of rapists. It simply means I am interested in seeing people continue to be able to pursue adult themes, whatever those may be, so long as both involved parties are interested in doing so. I am not pro-rape. I am pro-fun between consenting players.I've avoided mentioning the bolded topic specifically because I don't believe it matters. But with people continuing to try to call me creepy because I was defending an anti-censorship position, I began to feel like it mattered to the rest of the playerbase. Now, I suppose, I've had a brief taste of what it must have been like to be Larry Flynt's attorney.
Can we lock this thread too please?
I'm glad all I did as a noob was talk about coming back to life after dying within 3 hours, not like accidentally trying to rape other characters.
Quote from: Kronibas on January 03, 2014, 11:25:23 PM
I'm glad all I did as a noob was talk about coming back to life after dying within 3 hours, not like accidentally trying to rape other characters.
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Wow, I'm a returning player and am kind of surprised by the rule change.
I can't say that I agree with the rule (not that I have any right to an opinion). I was banned from another game previously because my first character app included a rape in the background, so hearing about the new direction the staff is a little alarming, but I understand that virtual backgrounds are still okay. I have to assume that the staff had good reason to make the move, and can only imagine there was a bout of unethical players being trolls and essentially ruining the privilege to have an adult storyline for everyone.
Anyway, I have to wonder if the staff has been getting OOC reports of rape from players who play as or interact with prostitute-style characters. Example, the local tavern wench approaches someone and makes some sexually explicit gesture, and the player behind the keyboard gets extremely offended. Do the staff wind up dealing with stuff like that?
Quote from: slatefox on January 28, 2014, 05:13:39 PM
Wow, I'm a returning player and am kind of surprised by the rule change.
I can't say that I agree with the rule (not that I have any right to an opinion). I was banned from another game previously because my first character app included a rape in the background, so hearing about the new direction the staff is a little alarming, but I understand that virtual backgrounds are still okay. I have to assume that the staff had good reason to make the move, and can only imagine there was a bout of unethical players being trolls and essentially ruining the privilege to have an adult storyline for everyone.
Anyway, I have to wonder if the staff has been getting OOC reports of rape from players who play as or interact with prostitute-style characters. Example, the local tavern wench approaches someone and makes some sexually explicit gesture, and the player behind the keyboard gets extremely offended. Do the staff wind up dealing with stuff like that?
Here (http://gdb.armageddon.org/index.php/topic,46718.0.html) is a thread that may answer your questions.