No idea how the code works but if there's some way to distinguish a male and female templar in Tuluk, that'd probably be a good idea. I shouldn't have to look at "the dainty blue-eyed templar" to know that it's male - unless it's particularly androgynous in mdesc as well. Either that, or shift the social convention of "Faithful Lady/Lord" into "Your Faithful" or something similarly vague so as not to ever feel like you've made an IC offense due to an OOC lack of knowledge.
Just use look. ::)
Or, if you really are that paranoid about being seen looking at a templar, use assess.
Allanak has gotten along just fine for centuries without clothing-obvious distinctions between templarate genders, though.
How is this idea Tuluk specific, though?
The assess command is your friend.
Also
>SNIFF TEMPLAR
She smells like sweat and dust.
Plus it doesn't even echo that.
I use sniff all the time when I want to check a gender or make sure I'm remembering someone's name correctly without making it obvious.
Yeah assess would be pointless - if the whole idea is to -not- create an echo just because I, the player, don't know if the templar standing in front of me is male or female. Assess echoes.
I do use "work-arounds" in game - I use the "look templar's snoogie" or "look templar's libneroin" and obviously that item doesn't exist, so you get a "She isn't wearing anything like that."
It's always felt like cheating though, and I thought it'd be nice if "male" and "female" would be a little more obvious.
Right, we get it, but the notion is just silly. If a templar is standing right in front of you, it's OK to look at them. (It's actually OK to look at them in other situations too.)
Man, I was really hoping we were going to discuss robe colors.
I don't really see the issue here. I've played a lot down south and this sort of thing has never been a problem. I don't even know (that many) people who've been killed because they looked at a templar...
Also, if you're talking to a Templar where how to address them becomes a concern, your character has probably already looked at them.
Quote from: BadSkeelz on September 16, 2013, 08:04:56 PM
Man, I was really hoping we were going to discuss robe colors.
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Nothing to discuss. Pink.
a bi-moon shouldered, pyramid-emblazoned Templar's robe
Also: the tall, muscular tuluki templar
Quote from: The7DeadlyVenomz on September 16, 2013, 08:48:50 PM
Also: the tall, muscular tuluki templar
...whose name is Talia Negean, and whose mdesc clearly points out that she's muscular, with huge breasts, a wasp-waist, and wide hips. In fact, she's a full-on f-me in mdesc - but she's tall, and she has plenty of muscles - therefore - she is Talia, the tall, muscular woman (whose keyword "woman" is replaced by the templar's robe).
I don't like it in Allanak either by the way. It came to mind, because of the change in Tuluk.
Yeh ... I get what you're saying. I've had the same issue. So: the tall, muscular, northern female templar, and, the fat, wretched, southern male templar.
Quote from: The7DeadlyVenomz on September 16, 2013, 08:47:48 PM
a bi-moon shouldered, pyramid-emblazoned Templar's robe
That's a cool sdesc, however what I would really love to see is the name of an order in there. Formerly, we had the order name of Jihaen or Lirathan in the sdesc. I really liked that. I'd love to see a new name for the new order in the sdesc--it would also make Tuluki and non-Tuluki templars discernible at a glance, which I feel could be useful.
Alternatively, what about adding "Allanaki" and "Tuluki" to templar robes? The robes are different enough that it should be pretty obvious. (Even if I think having other words after new order names would be more interesting).
Quote from: Lizzie on September 16, 2013, 05:34:13 PM
No idea how the code works but if there's some way to distinguish a male and female templar in Tuluk, that'd probably be a good idea. I shouldn't have to look at "the dainty blue-eyed templar" to know that it's male - unless it's particularly androgynous in mdesc as well. Either that, or shift the social convention of "Faithful Lady/Lord" into "Your Faithful" or something similarly vague so as not to ever feel like you've made an IC offense due to an OOC lack of knowledge.
Quote from: Lizzie on September 16, 2013, 06:50:17 PM
Yeah assess would be pointless - if the whole idea is to -not- create an echo just because I, the player, don't know if the templar standing in front of me is male or female. Assess echoes.
Simply looking at a templar to figure out a gender or using a work-around to discover gender really doesn't bother me. I don't think that there really needs to be a gender pronoun in each templar robe sdesc. The only way it would really come into play is if a templar walked past too fast to look at them, and even then--no cloak shows gender, if the hood is up, and someone walks past. Saying that you didn't get a good look is probably good enough.
Umm... Doesn't the assess command kick out a hidden emote of:
You Notice: The blond bimbo, dumbass glancing up to the freakishly tall, redheaded templar.
And sniff generates an echo. Unless someone that I've seen before walking by a breed actually emoted sniffing the breed.
Sniff doesn't echo.
Quote from: Taven on September 16, 2013, 10:39:33 PM
Alternatively, what about adding "Allanaki" and "Tuluki" to templar robes? The robes are different enough that it should be pretty obvious. (Even if I think having other words after new order names would be more interesting).
Thought about it, discussed it, not sure if necessary...the amount of times PCs are wearing a robe from the opposite templarate in a city are virtually 0.
Templaress.
Quote from: slvrmoontiger on September 17, 2013, 03:05:38 AM
And sniff generates an echo. Unless someone that I've seen before walking by a breed actually emoted sniffing the breed.
Teeheehee, newbies are so cute.
Quote from: MeTekillot on September 17, 2013, 03:08:44 AM
Sniff doesn't echo.
I like that in their robes you can't tell what is what unless they're close or you look at them. I never used sniff to (wait for it) sniff out gender though, that's brilliant.
I now have the urge to play the ambiguously emaciated templar, with the Sun-embroidered, gold silk Templar robe.
Quote from: ShaLeah on September 17, 2013, 10:06:22 AM
Quote from: slvrmoontiger on September 17, 2013, 03:05:38 AM
And sniff generates an echo. Unless someone that I've seen before walking by a breed actually emoted sniffing the breed.
Teeheehee, newbies are so cute.
Quote from: MeTekillot on September 17, 2013, 03:08:44 AM
Sniff doesn't echo.
I like that in their robes you can't tell what is what unless they're close or you look at them. I never used sniff to (wait for it) sniff out gender though, that's brilliant.
I now have the urge to play the ambiguously emaciated templar, with the Sun-embroidered, gold silk Templar robe.
I like that for a Tuluki templar robe or cloak or whatever.
Quote from: slvrmoontiger on September 17, 2013, 11:03:34 AM
Quote from: ShaLeah on September 17, 2013, 10:06:22 AM
I now have the urge to play the ambiguously emaciated templar, with the Sun-embroidered, gold silk Templar robe.
I like that for a Tuluki templar robe or cloak or whatever.
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/fad4582dc8c5d7710ed744d8538bb07f/tumblr_mq3miwWTog1sze8t0o1_1280.jpg)
Quote from: LauraMars on September 17, 2013, 11:30:35 AM
Quote from: slvrmoontiger on September 17, 2013, 11:03:34 AM
Quote from: ShaLeah on September 17, 2013, 10:06:22 AM
I now have the urge to play the ambiguously emaciated templar, with the Sun-embroidered, gold silk Templar robe.
I like that for a Tuluki templar robe or cloak or whatever.
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/fad4582dc8c5d7710ed744d8538bb07f/tumblr_mq3miwWTog1sze8t0o1_1280.jpg)
+1
Quote from: slvrmoontiger on September 17, 2013, 11:38:47 AM
Quote from: LauraMars on September 17, 2013, 11:30:35 AM
Quote from: slvrmoontiger on September 17, 2013, 11:03:34 AM
Quote from: ShaLeah on September 17, 2013, 10:06:22 AM
I now have the urge to play the ambiguously emaciated templar, with the Sun-embroidered, gold silk Templar robe.
I like that for a Tuluki templar robe or cloak or whatever.
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/fad4582dc8c5d7710ed744d8538bb07f/tumblr_mq3miwWTog1sze8t0o1_1280.jpg)
+1
This has become a fabulous mockery of the word templar.
There's a ton of RL gender baggage hovering around the terms Lord/Lady which already spills over annoyingly IC, as in the issue of whether it's appropriate to refer to a female commoner PC as "a lady." IMO, the less social importance is placed on recognizing and verbally acknowledging other PC's sex characteristics in circumstances where they aren't actually relevant, the better.
And if we're gonna make a special wussy word for Templars, let's have it be for male Templars. Cuz let's be honest, female Templars are brutal.
Just a friendly reminder, as I have a moral obligation to speak out against this non-sense.
Any person who speaks ill of the Sun King, his templarate, cites his loyalty to any entity besides the the Sun King, defaces holy artifacts or buildings, incites heretical thoughts or actions, talks openly about forbidden subjects and generally behaves in a manner disrespectful to all that is holy and good is a heretic.
Protecting the minds of His serfs from being lead astray by dangerous distractions is hard work, but it's certain to pay off, with diligence.
Quote from: Lutagar on September 17, 2013, 03:06:58 PM
Just a friendly reminder, as I have a moral obligation to speak out against this non-sense.
Any person who speaks ill of the Sun King, his templarate---
*BLAM*Failure to capitalize His Pronouns is heresy.
*picks brain matter out of hair.* Thank you, Skeelz! D:
Look should be perfectly fine for determining someone's gender. If someone is in your line of sight, chances are that you actually have looked at them. Someone taking offense to your character's use of the coded look command would be pretty crummy, I say. Unless something is used along the lines of 'look (meeting ^templar gaze with a hardened stare) templar [before suddenly belching in ^templar face]', there really shouldn't be a problem.
Chances are, if you don't know a particular Templar to the point that you need to use the look command to see their gender, a look might be warranted anyways to get a look at what's actually standing before you in appearance/equipment