Hmm.. makes me wonder... let me know if I misread any docs, or confused with some other Dark Sun/AD&D docs.
Human + human = human
Human + elf = half-elf
Human + dwarf + magick = mul
Half-giant + half-giant = half-giant
Ok.. so what about the rest?
Giant + human = dead human?
Half-giant + human = half-giant/dead human?
Elf + half-elf = half-elf?
Half-elf + human = human?
Halfling + human = half-halfling?
Elf + Dwarf = half-mul? Gith? Half-elf?
Half-elf + dwarf = half-mul?
Gith + anyone = ?
???
Quote from: SMuz on February 10, 2009, 09:47:43 PM
Hmm.. makes me wonder... let me know if I misread any docs, or confused with some other Dark Sun/AD&D docs.
Giant + human = dead human? Probably.
Half-giant + human = half-giant/dead human? Probably.
Elf + half-elf = half-elf? 3/4ths elf. Probably comes out looking elfy.
Half-elf + human = human? 1/4ths elf. Probably comes out looking humany.
Halfling + human = half-halfling? Bringing oral sex to lower standards.
Elf + Dwarf = half-mul? Gith? Half-elf? Nothing.
Half-elf + dwarf = half-mul? Nothing.
Gith + anyone = ? ...
???
I went by past posts and a bit of my own reasoning, I could be off, but I hope that helps.
1/2 elf + ( human / elf ) = elf, half-elf or human. You decide which race your character has the dominant characteristics of. It is quite possible for a half-elf to be 7/8ths elf and only 1/8th human... it is also possible for someone with the same ancestry to favor the elf side rather than be balanced or favor the human side, due to the tricks of breeding.
( 1/2 giant / giant ) + human (without strange ritual magick) would indeed probably result in a dead human... or a very sticky one. There is no breeding possible.
Gith can not breed with others, and nor can halflings.
Dwarves can only breed with other dwarves and with those of sufficient human blood, producing muls. The process is generally unknown but possible to get some details on in game, though I doubt you'll be able to get the whole story... I wasn't and I've played a noble of a house that bred muls.
Oh, right.. human + giant + lots of magick = half-giant, just read it in the docs.
I wonder if you could get a faster mul by breeding a dwarf with a human with elven blood..
Quote from: SMuz on February 10, 2009, 09:47:43 PM
Hmm.. makes me wonder... let me know if I misread any docs, or confused with some other Dark Sun/AD&D docs.
Elf + half-elf = half-elf (I asked once)
Half-elf + human = probably half-elf, based on the above
Oh, You said Half-giant + Human = Dead Human
Well what if the Half-giant is Female and the Human Male?
This has been discussed before:
http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,16431.0.html
I like this line:
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I think it's safe to say that without strong magicks it wouldn't happen. Much like mixing a cat and a dog. No matter how much sex they have, they still won't have babies. Trust me, I know.
Death by snu-snu.
Quote from: Marauder Moe on February 13, 2009, 02:12:55 PM
Death by snu-snu.
Who else is suddenly tempted to make a tribe of all-female half-giants?
For the Half-elf + elf or human I would say make a half-elf, prioritizing the strengths of the full blooded parent or visa-versa.
Parents were half-elf and human: half elf... strength endurance or human... agility wisdom
Parents were half-elf and elf : half elf... agility wisdom or elf... strength endurance
As a side note, I have always wanted to play a breed in a d-elf tribe.
Quote from: Krath on February 13, 2009, 02:08:54 PM
Well what if the Half-giant is Female and the Human Male?
Wouldn't that be sort of like throwing a hot dog down a hallway?
Quote from: Vanth on February 13, 2009, 11:32:55 PM
Quote from: Krath on February 13, 2009, 02:08:54 PM
Well what if the Half-giant is Female and the Human Male?
Wouldn't that be sort of like throwing a hot dog down a hallway?
Ah.. so that's where the lots of magick (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/EnlargePerson.htm) comes into play! Material components make the spell especially powerful and rare.
Quote from: SMuz on February 13, 2009, 11:50:47 PM
Quote from: Vanth on February 13, 2009, 11:32:55 PM
Quote from: Krath on February 13, 2009, 02:08:54 PM
Well what if the Half-giant is Female and the Human Male?
Wouldn't that be sort of like throwing a hot dog down a hallway?
Ah.. so that's where the lots of magick (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/EnlargePerson.htm) comes into play! Material components make the spell especially powerful and rare.
The ladies love a stone mage....
Quote from: Vanth on February 13, 2009, 11:32:55 PM
Quote from: Krath on February 13, 2009, 02:08:54 PM
Well what if the Half-giant is Female and the Human Male?
Wouldn't that be sort of like throwing a hot dog down a hallway?
I've hear that midgets aren't extra tight, just a little shallow, so maybe not?
Perhaps more like slipping a three foot snake down a ten foot garden hose?
Though I do presume they would just naturally being bigger, as they aren't genetically altered human, they're half human, half creatures bigger than skyscrapers. So probably not...
I'm rambling.
Quote from: Cutthroat on February 10, 2009, 09:51:26 PM
Quote from: SMuz on February 10, 2009, 09:47:43 PM
Hmm.. makes me wonder... let me know if I misread any docs, or confused with some other Dark Sun/AD&D docs.
Giant + human = dead human? Probably.
Half-giant + human = half-giant/dead human? Probably.
???
I went by past posts and a bit of my own reasoning, I could be off, but I hope that helps.
I'd like to counter that. According to my drawn Japanese anatomy learning materials a giant can very well procreate with human female, providing she is wearing a revealing version of the sailor uniform and claims to be a "protector of virginity against the Pleasure Underworld".
Hehe, now that you've mentioned it, I wonder if Musashi ever apped a tentacle fingered mutant.
Oh. Aren't the breeds sterile?
Quote from: Northlander on May 18, 2009, 10:37:16 AM
Oh. Aren't the breeds sterile?
No, i believe it's been said that elves ad humans are genetically similar enough to provide fertile offspring.
Oh, thanks. But what about half-giant and half-giant? I suppose there aren't all that many Silt Giants about, and I know that I've -played- a half-giant, I just can't remember his background. But I suppose he'd have been birthed the old fashioned way, because there aren't any docs anywhere telling the prospective half-giant player that he's the bastard son of magick.
Imagine growing up in an independent half-giant household, though. They've gotta be some tough babies. Might've been dropped on their heads a few times.
If the average human penis is six inches long, and a half-giant is twice the size of a human, then it's possible that the average half-giant penis is twelve inches long. That's certainly accommodable by some women. And it's not beyond the realm of possibility that a half-giant's penis is relatively quite small compared to a human's.
I think Half-giant + human would be possible, provided it's done human on top. There's even a certain NPC who offers the service (though she isn't too happy about it.)
/Already apping a half-giant stud.
Quote from: Prodikus on May 18, 2009, 12:34:34 PM
If the average human penis is six inches long, and a half-giant is twice the size of a human, then it's possible that the average half-giant penis is twelve inches long. That's certainly accommodable by some women. And it's not beyond the realm of possibility that a half-giant's penis is relatively quite small compared to a human's.
I think Half-giant + human would be possible, provided it's done human on top. There's even a certain NPC who offers the service (though she isn't too happy about it.)
/Already apping a half-giant stud.
if a human mother dies birthing a dwarf's baby, I think she'd die before she even came to term with an HG baby.
Also, a HG is more than merely twice the size of a human. the pretty picture is wrong. it's more like 3x the size of andre the giant.
nice try, sicko.
QuoteCreated by some magick far in the past, the race of half-giants were the result of special cross-breeding of humans and the giants rumored to inhabit the islands in the Sea of Eternal Dust. Half-giants appear much like a human, but with highly exaggerated features, and skin tones which sometimes go into the reds. Half-giants stand roughly between 125 and 155 inches tall.
So, roughly twice the size of a human, yes? A bit wider, I suppose, but vagina's are far more accommodating of girth.
Half-giants can still screw, they just have to use protection! Don't ruin my dreams!
Quote from: Prodikus on May 18, 2009, 02:39:48 PM
So, roughly twice the size of a human, yes? A bit wider, I suppose, but vagina's are far more accommodating of girth.
Half-giants can still screw, they just have to use protection! Don't ruin my dreams!
no no no no. you cannot just look at height. see the 'help size' file:
The 'size' of a creature is an arbitrary measure of its general height and weight specifications. It has application in the fitting of armour and clothing,
and in other instances where mass is important. The following diagram illustrates the size relationship between the various races.
Dwarves __Elves__
Halflings | | | | Mantises
| | | | | | |
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17
|Humans||___|
| & | Gith
| Muls|
+------+
18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34
|______________________|
Half-Giants
the tiniest half giant is more than 2.5 times as large as the biggest human. my original comparison remains: andre the giant X3.
if what you want is attempted, it would likely irrevocably damage the woman's internals.
Quote from: Allegria on May 18, 2009, 04:35:54 PM
Dwarf + Human = Mul. Who says you need magic? The mother usually dies at birth because the mul is so large. The slavers often cut the baby from the stomach and throw the mother aside because it was such an investment.
yes, they do throw away the mother, but .... pretty sure no one can breed muls but the slaving houses. they probably won't admit to using magick . . .but if it's not magick it must be some very advanced and secret techniques.
outside the slaving houses, dwarves and humans are not attracted to each other, probably rarely could even conceive, and definitely not come to term without the secret 'techniques.' Both the mother and child would just die.
Quote from: Agent_137 on May 18, 2009, 04:50:55 PM
if what you want is attempted, it would likely irrevocably damage the woman's internals.
If one-legged whores can do it, so can nobles! I just need to find myself a pimp.
Quote from: Allegria on May 18, 2009, 04:35:54 PM
The mother usually dies at birth because the mul is so large.
This is getting thrown around all the time these days, and I'm thinking that it wasn't necessarily supposed to be common knowledge? :D
I would theorize that an unassisted human+dwarf pregnancy, if even possible, would miscarry before it got to that point.
I'd think that if the mothers were human, it's only the size of a normal baby.. if it was a dwarf, well, dwarves are tough. The question is.. how does a human carry around a half elf without miscarrying?
If you're talking about purely the size, from my (limited) resources regarding race size, that is, the race size helpfile, the smallest human is 69% the size of the largest elf (size 9 v. size 13). That's close to the same height ratio difference between my tiny Laotian friend and her giant Scandanavian-American husband, and they have successfully had two beautiful babies together. For the record, she's 4'7" and he's 6'6", which is about 71%.
I haven't asked her if she had them naturally, though, or by C-section.
Quote from: brytta.leofa on May 19, 2009, 11:26:34 AM
Quote from: Allegria on May 18, 2009, 04:35:54 PM
The mother usually dies at birth because the mul is so large.
This is getting thrown around all the time these days, and I'm thinking that it wasn't necessarily supposed to be common knowledge? :D
Quote from: Racial Roleplay DocsIn fact, if a mul knows the origins of its birth (not all do), it learns that its mother was not a loving mother, but a mother whose child was forced on her as a death sentence. To be born, a mul has to kill its own mother.
/derail
New character idea: dwarf vivaduan/physician performs first successful Zalanthan cesarean section.
Dwarf+Human+Secret Magick/Technique= Mul.
What if the mother in this case was a dwarf? We've all be assuming that the mother would be human. If it was a dwarven mama, I imagine that she'd survive the birth, being on an order several magnitudes tougher than her taller counterpart. Then again, perhapse a male human's sperm isn't tough or strong enough to impregnate a dwarven female's egg, thus negating this argument.
Now, assuming that Muls are only viable through a human mother, for whatever reason, I can see why magick would be needed, then. Keeping a human female's body functional and able to provide for abnormally large and tough child growing in her would kill her under any circumstance where magick wouldn't be around to regularly fortify her normal stamina. Or, as noted, maybe magick isn't used, and it's some form of diet or herbal brews and medication and living technique that keeps a human mother alive during the growth period.
This whole thread strikes me as a similar vein to that of a book series I read, at one point. I don't remember the name of the series or the title book, but it was about wingless dragons that faught alongside humans in an empire. Lead dragon's name was "Basil Broken-Tail", or something like that. The villians in this series produced imps and other monstrosities by captureing human women and using them as "natural incubators". They even produced giants, by using mamoths and artificial impregnation overseen by magick.
Lol, I had a D&D campaign once where one of the major races were a bunch of half-dragon half-human guys. I've always assumed that mul mothers were dwarves, so it's not that hard for them to live with it, and giving birth to a human-sized baby would probably be what kills it.
Quote from: Synthesis on May 20, 2009, 04:55:58 AM
New character idea: dwarf vivaduan/physician performs first successful Zalanthan cesarean section.
Heh, that guy could be very wealthy just because he'll greatly increase the production of muls. I'd actually like to see that.
http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,32331.0.html
I have seen several half-elves that took enough after their human ancestry that they fairly effectively blended in. Have there been instances of things going the other way? Half elves that blended well into elvish society, or is there not enough variation in the elvish form that if you aint skinny, you aint skinny! What about three quarter breeds? The children of half elves and humans or elves?
John Holmes + Inix = IAmJacks. :-*