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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: najdorf on January 06, 2009, 12:54:12 PM

Title: Air Pressure
Post by: najdorf on January 06, 2009, 12:54:12 PM
I just watched a stupid movie called "Jumper" and it gave me an idea which also can be used in armageddon.

In Zalanthas, dont we have physics? How come people dont explode or suffer from air pressure when they spam fly up or down? (Or do other things that i cannot mention here because of IC sensitivity.)

This can hit alot to Whirans and it is good for balance.

Did anyone ever discuss this before?
Title: Re: Air Pressure
Post by: Marauder Moe on January 06, 2009, 01:03:54 PM
Quote from: najdorf on January 06, 2009, 12:54:12 PMHow come people dont explode or suffer from air pressure when they spam fly up or down?
Same reason people don't explode when skydiving?
Title: Re: Air Pressure
Post by: Ourla on January 06, 2009, 01:08:18 PM
Yeah, I can't imagine a Whiran -wanting- to fly high enough to pop.  Wouldn't you stop when it started to hurt?
Title: Re: Air Pressure
Post by: Tisiphone on January 06, 2009, 01:22:55 PM
People don't pop, even without any atmosphere at all. I imagine that the atmospheric ceiling of available rooms is well below the level where you might start to bend, though.


What I really want to see is accurate weather modeling for the various zones. The kadiabatic winds coming from the Shield Wall must be intense.
Title: Re: Air Pressure
Post by: Ampere on January 06, 2009, 01:25:08 PM
You wouldn't explode, you would boil. Skin is elastic, so you would die and fall back to earth at terminal velocity way before it ruptured.  Oh, and I suspect the bends hurts, so you wouldn't go that high anyway, because it hurts.

Balance is a joke perpetrated by people who think life's fair.
Title: Re: Air Pressure
Post by: Jingo on January 06, 2009, 02:50:52 PM
Quote from: Ampere on January 06, 2009, 01:25:08 PM
Balance is a joke perpetrated by people who think life's fair.

Uhh. No. I'm not about to play this game, or any other without it.

As for the OP's idea, I don't think realistic physics are neccessary for this game. Though I could imagine how funny the help-files would be if they were.
Title: Re: Air Pressure
Post by: Yam on January 06, 2009, 02:52:00 PM
If you think people explode or boil in a vacuum, you need to learn some new physics.
Title: Re: Air Pressure
Post by: Jingo on January 06, 2009, 02:54:35 PM
Out of curiousity what does happen to people in a vacuum?

Hey I found it!
http://space.about.com/cs/basics/a/bodyvacuum1.htm (http://space.about.com/cs/basics/a/bodyvacuum1.htm)
Title: Re: Air Pressure
Post by: Ourla on January 06, 2009, 03:05:07 PM
They'd probably pass out from oxygen deprivation before they got too high up in the air.  It would be cool to see an echo about your ears popping and then a penalty to your listen skill for a few hours. 
Title: Re: Air Pressure
Post by: Cerelum on January 06, 2009, 03:07:09 PM
If they pass out they fall to the ground, it's my understanding that they mentally have to decide where they float and fly and whatnot.

So If one went to high, he would just plummet when he lost it.

JaRoD
Title: Re: Air Pressure
Post by: Synthesis on January 06, 2009, 03:19:02 PM
There's something highly ironic about someone who derives their power from the elemental plane of air passing out due to oxygen deprivation.

Maybe Whirans should get a new spell:  create air.

Useful only if you manage to teleport yourself to Jihae or Lirathu, but Whirans could then be Zalanthan space cadets.
Title: Re: Air Pressure
Post by: Ampere on January 06, 2009, 03:30:00 PM
Quote from: Yam on January 06, 2009, 02:52:00 PM
If you think people explode or boil in a vacuum, you need to learn some new physics.

Boiling is the point where a liquid turns into a vapour/gas.

EDITED TO ADD: (oops, I was mostly wrong)
Quote from: http://space.about.com/cs/basics/a/bodyvacuum1.htm
While your own normal blood pressure will keep your blood from boiling, the saliva in your mouth could very well begin to do so. In 1965, while performing tests at the NASA facility now known as Johnson Space Center a subject was accidentally exposed to a near vacuum (less than 1 psi) when his space suit leaked while in a vacuum chamber. He did not pass out for about 14 seconds, by which time unoxygenated blood had reached his brain. Technicians began to repressurize the chamber within 15 seconds and he regained consciousness at around the equivalent of 15,000 feet of altitude. He later said that his last conscious memory was of the water on his tongue beginning to boil.
Title: Re: Air Pressure
Post by: Synthesis on January 06, 2009, 03:40:18 PM
Quote from: Ampere on January 06, 2009, 03:30:00 PM
Quote from: Yam on January 06, 2009, 02:52:00 PM
If you think people explode or boil in a vacuum, you need to learn some new physics.

Boiling is the point where a liquid turns into a vapour/gas.


Technically I think it's the point where the vapor pressure of the liquid equals the surrounding atmospheric pressure.
Title: Re: Air Pressure
Post by: Tisiphone on January 06, 2009, 03:52:55 PM
Quote from: Synthesis on January 06, 2009, 03:40:18 PM
Quote from: Ampere on January 06, 2009, 03:30:00 PM
Quote from: Yam on January 06, 2009, 02:52:00 PM
If you think people explode or boil in a vacuum, you need to learn some new physics.

Boiling is the point where a liquid turns into a vapour/gas.


Technically I think it's the point where the vapor pressure of the liquid equals the surrounding atmospheric pressure.

We have a winner.
Title: Re: Air Pressure
Post by: Thunkkin on January 06, 2009, 04:10:32 PM
I just look for bubbles.

Then I add the macaroni.
Title: Re: Air Pressure
Post by: Synthesis on January 06, 2009, 04:15:43 PM
Quote from: Thunkkin on January 06, 2009, 04:10:32 PM
I just look for bubbles.

Then I add the macaroni.

Under the right high-pressure atmospheric conditions, you can cook your macaroni without even seeing the bubbles.  Science!
Title: Re: Air Pressure
Post by: Thunkkin on January 06, 2009, 04:22:00 PM
Quote from: Synthesis on January 06, 2009, 04:15:43 PM
Quote from: Thunkkin on January 06, 2009, 04:10:32 PM
I just look for bubbles.

Then I add the macaroni.

Under the right high-pressure atmospheric conditions, you can cook your macaroni without even seeing the bubbles.  Science!

I actually heard about this on NPR.  Science = hurrah!  Macaroni = WIN!
Title: Re: Air Pressure
Post by: Tisiphone on January 06, 2009, 04:26:09 PM
Quote from: Synthesis on January 06, 2009, 04:15:43 PM
Under the right high-pressure atmospheric conditions, you can cook your macaroni without even seeing the bubbles.  Science!

Like a pressure cooker!
Title: Re: Air Pressure
Post by: musashi on January 06, 2009, 05:20:22 PM
This thread delievers.  :D
Title: Re: Air Pressure
Post by: Searanox on January 06, 2009, 10:38:28 PM
Hahaha  :D
Title: Re: Air Pressure
Post by: Xagon on January 07, 2009, 09:27:02 AM
Quote from: Jingo on January 06, 2009, 02:54:35 PM
Out of curiousity what does happen to people in a vacuum?

Hey I found it!
http://space.about.com/cs/basics/a/bodyvacuum1.htm (http://space.about.com/cs/basics/a/bodyvacuum1.htm)

Aww, I almost got excited and thought that was a video.
Then again I got excited when I peed on my first elf.
Title: Re: Air Pressure
Post by: Kevo on January 14, 2009, 04:58:26 PM
Quote from: najdorf on January 06, 2009, 12:54:12 PM
..... a stupid movie called "Jumper"......

This is the most scientifically accurate statement in this topic.
Title: Re: Air Pressure
Post by: Malifaxis on January 14, 2009, 06:55:53 PM
My mind is still blown by Tisiphone's use of the word 'kadiabatic.'

How the fuck do you do that?  Seriously.
Title: Re: Air Pressure
Post by: Potaje on January 14, 2009, 08:03:16 PM
Speaking of echos, I would like to see the echo of someone falling from the sky, or their skin flakes drifting down like feathers. Or a boiled mass descends from the sky.
Title: Re: Air Pressure
Post by: RogueGunslinger on January 15, 2009, 12:45:28 AM
Quote from: Malifaxis on January 14, 2009, 06:55:53 PM
My mind is still blown by Tisiphone's use of the word 'kadiabatic.'

How the fuck do you do that?  Seriously.

I believe that was a typo. I think she meant to say adiabatic. Kadiabatic doesn't mean anything(as far as I know, 'cause Tisi damn well has a larger vocabulary than I.)
Title: Re: Air Pressure
Post by: Ghost on January 15, 2009, 01:29:25 AM
I think silt flyers should get totally stoned in the zalanthan atmosphere
Title: Re: Air Pressure
Post by: Tisiphone on January 15, 2009, 09:22:02 AM
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on January 15, 2009, 12:45:28 AM
I believe that was a typo. I think she meant to say adiabatic. Kadiabatic doesn't mean anything(as far as I know, 'cause Tisi damn well has a larger vocabulary than I.)

No, adiabatic is something different.

Kadiabatic is more commonly known as katabatic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katabatic_wind), it seems. Colour me surprised; I could have sworn kadiabatic was the more common spelling. The scientists usually like to take the poetic forms, but I guess most didn't in this case.

I always remember it because of the beginning of the Plato's Republic.
Title: Re: Air Pressure
Post by: brytta.leofa on January 15, 2009, 09:47:24 AM
"Kadiabatic" refers to elements of High Zalanthan Fashion that do not change over time.  White, for instance, is always in style.
Title: Re: Air Pressure
Post by: Zoan on January 15, 2009, 04:25:02 PM
I know it's been said, but god you're a nerd, Tizzie. *adores*
Title: Re: Air Pressure
Post by: Yam on January 15, 2009, 04:33:38 PM
Quote from: Tisiphone on January 15, 2009, 09:22:02 AM
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on January 15, 2009, 12:45:28 AM
I believe that was a typo. I think she meant to say adiabatic. Kadiabatic doesn't mean anything(as far as I know, 'cause Tisi damn well has a larger vocabulary than I.)

No, adiabatic is something different.

Kadiabatic is more commonly known as katabatic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katabatic_wind), it seems. Colour me surprised; I could have sworn kadiabatic was the more common spelling. The scientists usually like to take the poetic forms, but I guess most didn't in this case.

I always remember it because of the beginning of the Plato's Republic.

I see kadiabatic more often than katabatic.