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General => World and Roleplaying Discussion => Topic started by: Qzzrbl on April 11, 2008, 09:20:11 PM

Title: Throat Singing For Zalanthas?
Post by: Qzzrbl on April 11, 2008, 09:20:11 PM
I stumbled upon Tuvan throat singing quite by accident in my many ventures throughout the deep and dark tubes of the internets. And I figured it would be neat to see something like it in Armageddon. So here with you I share it.  ;D



http://youtube.com/watch?v=TVyyhHFKI8E (http://youtube.com/watch?v=TVyyhHFKI8E)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6vkejOp9wOc (http://youtube.com/watch?v=6vkejOp9wOc)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DY1pcEtHI_w&feature=related (http://youtube.com/watch?v=DY1pcEtHI_w&feature=related)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throat_singing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throat_singing)




Title: Re: Throat Singing For Zalanthas?
Post by: Maybe42or54 on April 12, 2008, 11:58:16 AM
How.. Would you describe that?
Title: Re: Throat Singing For Zalanthas?
Post by: Marauder Moe on April 12, 2008, 12:34:04 PM
I dunno, it's kinda creepy.  If some bard in Zalanthas started doing that I think someone might go "WTF?  Magicker!" and then there'd be a riot or something.
Title: Re: Throat Singing For Zalanthas?
Post by: Qzzrbl on April 12, 2008, 01:10:14 PM
Quote from: Marauder Moe on April 12, 2008, 12:34:04 PM
I dunno, it's kinda creepy.  If some bard in Zalanthas started doing that I think someone might go "WTF?  Magicker!" and then there'd be a riot or something.

I was thinking it could be a tribal thing.

-shrug-

Just throwing the idea out there. ^^

Throat singing halflings anyone?
Title: Re: Throat Singing For Zalanthas?
Post by: Tisiphone on April 12, 2008, 01:28:38 PM
Quote from: Qzzrbl on April 12, 2008, 01:10:14 PM
Quote from: Marauder Moe on April 12, 2008, 12:34:04 PM
I dunno, it's kinda creepy.  If some bard in Zalanthas started doing that I think someone might go "WTF?  Magicker!" and then there'd be a riot or something.

I was thinking it could be a tribal thing.

-shrug-

Just throwing the idea out there. ^^

Throat singing halflings anyone?

Throat-singing halflings is a really cool and extremely eerie idea. I have two objections, one serius, both of which could be overcome with plausible handwaving.

The first being that throat-singing requires a vocal structure that, given their physiology and language, I'm reticent to say halflings have.

The second: their throats are too full of passing travelers for them to sing.
Title: Re: Throat Singing For Zalanthas?
Post by: Qzzrbl on April 12, 2008, 01:47:23 PM
Quote from: Tisiphone on April 12, 2008, 01:28:38 PM
Quote from: Qzzrbl on April 12, 2008, 01:10:14 PM
Quote from: Marauder Moe on April 12, 2008, 12:34:04 PM
I dunno, it's kinda creepy.  If some bard in Zalanthas started doing that I think someone might go "WTF?  Magicker!" and then there'd be a riot or something.

I was thinking it could be a tribal thing.

-shrug-

Just throwing the idea out there. ^^

Throat singing halflings anyone?

Throat-singing halflings is a really cool and extremely eerie idea. I have two objections, one serius, both of which could be overcome with plausible handwaving.

The first being that throat-singing requires a vocal structure that, given their physiology and language, I'm reticent to say halflings have.

The second: their throats are too full of passing travelers for them to sing.

Frist: I could see human tribals doing something like this, as human tribals made it up and used it IRL ;D

Second: HAH!
Title: Re: Throat Singing For Zalanthas?
Post by: Tisiphone on April 12, 2008, 01:53:05 PM
The difficulty still stands as far as how to describe it. As was raised above, it might be mistaken by the ignorant (or the knowledgeable) as a magickal rite, but far from seeing that as an impediment of its implementation, I see it as a benefit. 'tis supposed to be scary anyhow.

Can someone try writing a text-wise description that would get across the central idea to someone who'd never heard it before? I know I can't.
Title: Re: Throat Singing For Zalanthas?
Post by: Yam on April 12, 2008, 11:02:19 PM
Richard Feynman always wanted to go to Tuva.
Title: Re: Throat Singing For Zalanthas?
Post by: Maybe42or54 on April 13, 2008, 10:31:20 PM
The skinny, dark fellow emites a few gutteral sounds to keep a beat to the guitar he is playing.

That is really all I got for that.
Title: Re: Throat Singing For Zalanthas?
Post by: Qzzrbl on April 13, 2008, 10:40:14 PM
Quote from: Maybe42or54 on April 13, 2008, 10:31:20 PM
The skinny, dark fellow emites a few gutteral sounds to keep a beat to the guitar he is playing.

That is really all I got for that.

The skinny, darkly-skinned fellow emits a sustained, guttural note, droning over the simple tune of his guitar.

  The skinny, darkly-skinned fellow holds the deep, raspy note constant while an eerie, high pitched overtone makes itself readily apparent along side it.

Come on, work with me.  ;D
Title: Re: Throat Singing For Zalanthas?
Post by: Qzzrbl on September 02, 2008, 09:23:05 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwANedEkqaY [Actual performance of throat singing, better ones than in previous links.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ2OWQfCFiA&feature=related [This guy is casting a freaking spell....]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6LwoXma_X0&feature=related [Co-Op spellcasting anyone?]

Still.... There is that one issue with describing the sounds properly....
Title: Re: Throat Singing For Zalanthas?
Post by: FantasyWriter on February 03, 2009, 02:14:28 AM
I have been working on a bard concept for a couple of months (that I still don't plan on playing for a while, hopefully).
I think this would go great for him... although the emotes will take a lot of work and thought.

Maybe... maybe not.
Title: Re: Throat Singing For Zalanthas?
Post by: Nile on February 03, 2009, 05:23:11 AM
On another note...Didgeridoos anyone?
Title: Re: Throat Singing For Zalanthas?
Post by: Medena on February 03, 2009, 01:04:00 PM
Quote from: Nile on February 03, 2009, 05:23:11 AM
On another note...Didgeridoos anyone?

There's a Zalanthan equivalent in the game.
Title: Re: Throat Singing For Zalanthas?
Post by: Nile on February 03, 2009, 06:08:21 PM
Quote from: Medena on February 03, 2009, 01:04:00 PM
Quote from: Nile on February 03, 2009, 05:23:11 AM
On another note...Didgeridoos anyone?

There's a Zalanthan equivalent in the game.

Fook yeah. Now I need to track it down.
Title: Re: Throat Singing For Zalanthas?
Post by: askaran on February 03, 2009, 10:16:12 PM
holy crap that guy freaked me out! :o
Title: Re: Throat Singing For Zalanthas?
Post by: Pale Horse on February 03, 2009, 11:17:18 PM
Quote from: Nile on February 03, 2009, 05:23:11 AM
On another note...Didgeridoos anyone?

I had a didgeridoo, one time..

I couldn't pay the handling fee for transporting it back to the States..

I think of it, often, and fondly.
Title: Re: Throat Singing For Zalanthas?
Post by: Synthesis on February 04, 2009, 01:05:09 AM
Quote from: Pale Horse on February 03, 2009, 11:17:18 PM
Quote from: Nile on February 03, 2009, 05:23:11 AM
On another note...Didgeridoos anyone?

I had a didgeridoo, one time..

I couldn't pay the handling fee for transporting it back to the States..

I think of it, often, and fondly.

Your mom couldn't pay the handling fee for my didgeridoo.

I bet she still thinks of it often, and fondly.
Title: Re: Throat Singing For Zalanthas?
Post by: Comrade Canadia on February 21, 2009, 02:23:11 PM
The problem here is that Zalanthian music has already been defined to be quite western. It approximates what we think music was like in the olden days. There's nothing wrong with this, but I don't think it'd jive to suddenly toss in musical forms from completely unrelated cultures.
Title: Re: Throat Singing For Zalanthas?
Post by: Synthesis on February 25, 2009, 12:19:21 AM
I found a musical style on the internets that seems like it would fit one of the new races in Armageddon Reborn. (http://www.rathergood.com/lolcats)
Title: Re: Throat Singing For Zalanthas?
Post by: DustMight on February 25, 2009, 12:24:12 AM
Can't you simply listen to it and figure out how to describe it?

Also, there are several websites that go into Tuvan throat singing in a good bit of detail.

One of my favorite urban-tuvan fusion pieces is "Mountain Voice."

Linked to Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Mountain-Voice/dp/B000QPAJYG


ps:

Tisiphone, praytell what halfling physiology are you aware of that would prevent them from throat singing?  Or are you just making sh*t up?  =)  (I think you are!)
Title: Re: Throat Singing For Zalanthas?
Post by: Synthesis on February 25, 2009, 12:25:11 AM
Quote from: DustMight on February 25, 2009, 12:24:12 AM
Can't you simply listen to it and figure out how to describe it?

Also, there are several websites that go into Tuvan throat singing in a good bit of detail.

One of my favorite urban-tuvan fusion pieces is "Mountain Voice."

Linked to Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Mountain-Voice/dp/B000QPAJYG


No, no...you have to click the link and listen.
Title: Re: Throat Singing For Zalanthas?
Post by: Qzzrbl on February 25, 2009, 08:21:33 AM
Quote from: Synthesis on February 25, 2009, 12:25:11 AM
Quote from: DustMight on February 25, 2009, 12:24:12 AM
Can't you simply listen to it and figure out how to describe it?

Also, there are several websites that go into Tuvan throat singing in a good bit of detail.

One of my favorite urban-tuvan fusion pieces is "Mountain Voice."

Linked to Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Mountain-Voice/dp/B000QPAJYG


No, no...you have to click the link and listen.

>throw house synthesis
Title: Re: Throat Singing For Zalanthas?
Post by: Rairen on February 25, 2009, 11:07:09 AM
Quote from: DustMight on February 25, 2009, 12:24:12 AM
Can't you simply listen to it and figure out how to describe it?

Nope.  Trust me.  It'd require the emotional equivalent of describing sex by using words like vulva and testicles.

(Awesome links, though.)

Edit:  That was too curt.  You could probably get away with it, but it would require extreme generality - at which point, it seems like it would lose the cool factor, a la:

change ldesc stands here, practicing throat singing.

em performs with great fervor, the pitch rising and falling.

hemote gasps for air.

em taps his foot in time with the music's erratic beat.