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Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Sanvean on August 18, 2007, 01:39:27 AM
If you don't know what I'm talking about, see http://www.zalanthas.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=27632
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Kennath on August 18, 2007, 01:50:49 AM
I just read through my chars and realized I only have only two non-human and two magickers. Anyone else get any awesome realizations?

-Ken
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Agent_137 on August 18, 2007, 01:56:33 AM
Quote from: "Kennath"Anyone else get any awesome realizations?

-Ken

most of my chars were made before bios existed, and thus don't have entries.


i also realize how badly i want to be able to add more entries to each of my old chars.


and how excited i am to be nearing that possibility.
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Mudder on August 18, 2007, 02:08:53 AM
I have a question. On some of them it has things written out to the left. What is that?
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Manhattan on August 18, 2007, 02:14:46 AM
1. how are these ordered...certainly not alphabetically or by date...

2. how come there's only a select few pc's on here?
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Belenos on August 18, 2007, 02:20:58 AM
Quote from: "Mudder"I have a question. On some of them it has things written out to the left. What is that?

The stuff on the left is your character name.  From looking at the logs something is odd with your account. Ignore the odd entry. I will find out what it is.
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Belenos on August 18, 2007, 02:23:48 AM
Quote from: "Manhattan"1. how are these ordered...certainly not alphabetically or by date...

2. how come there's only a select few pc's on here?

1.   The ordering is how it parses.  I didn't make any attempt to do any sorting of the entries.  I may later.

2.  You will only see entries from after the time that the biography command was implemented.  Entries before that time do not have the needed XML formatted files.
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Folker on August 18, 2007, 03:54:30 AM
Doesnt look to be possible to get back to the character index once you've opened one of the bios. Clicking 'back' would 'eventually' get you back to login page.
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Fathi on August 18, 2007, 04:02:57 AM
Quote from: "Folker"Doesnt look to be possible to get back to the character index once you've opened one of the bios. Clicking 'back' would 'eventually' get you back to login page.

Odd. It works fine for me.
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Yokunama on August 18, 2007, 04:36:59 AM
Quote from: "Fathi"
Quote from: "Folker"Doesnt look to be possible to get back to the character index once you've opened one of the bios. Clicking 'back' would 'eventually' get you back to login page.

Odd. It works fine for me.

Works for me too.
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Mood on August 18, 2007, 04:53:53 AM
Quote from: "Yokunama"
Quote from: "Fathi"
Quote from: "Folker"Doesnt look to be possible to get back to the character index once you've opened one of the bios. Clicking 'back' would 'eventually' get you back to login page.

Odd. It works fine for me.

Works for me too.

Same.
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: LauraMars on August 18, 2007, 05:59:50 AM
This is really, really kickass.

One thing I'd like to see is some structured ordering of the characters in the list.  For someone with a lot of characters, it is confusing to have everyone you've ever played splashed randomly on the page.  So it would be nice to have some kind of organized system.

Is there some kind of limit as to how many characters can be displayed, or does the tool just grab whomever has been around since the bio tool was introduced?  My earliest characters are not displayed, but I think some characters are on the list who never had the advantage of the bio tool, though I could be wrong.

[edit - woops, the above question was answered earlier in the thread, sorry, please disregard.]

Do you have any plans for making the tool display other things specific to each character?  Keywords, clans, or stats, for instance?
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Ammit on August 18, 2007, 06:36:34 AM
Quote from: "Folker"Doesnt look to be possible to get back to the character index once you've opened one of the bios. Clicking 'back' would 'eventually' get you back to login page.
I had the same problem under Internet Explorer 6.0. Problem doesn't exist under IE 7.0, Firefox 2.0 or Safari 3.0 for Windows.

If your having the problem under IE 6.0 I'd recommend upgrading or downloading an alternate browser. Or if you're at work, avoiding using the tool ;)

Alternatively a work around I discovered is to hit back once, then refresh.
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Yang on August 18, 2007, 08:34:48 AM
I justed used this tool to recover something that I thought I had lost for good, which turned out to be in one of the bios. Aside from satiating my curiosity, it actually turned out to be very useful...I can't thank the staff enough for this tool.
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Cuusardo on August 18, 2007, 12:12:38 PM
When I'm looking at a bio and I hit the back button to get back to the list of my PCs, it goes back to that bio I was reading, and then when I hit it again, it goes back to the login.  Also, all of my characters aren't listed there.

Other than that, it's great.
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: a strange shadow on August 18, 2007, 12:15:39 PM
My only complaint is that I wish I'd taken more time to write bios for my old favorite character.

The ones I could read (and thought I'd lost) were such a welcome blast from the past.
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Sanvean on August 18, 2007, 12:24:02 PM
Cuusardo:

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2. You will only see entries from after the time that the biography command was implemented. Entries before that time do not have the needed XML formatted files.

Is that possibly why you're not seeing all of them?
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Belenos on August 18, 2007, 01:34:43 PM
I addressed a couple of concerns.  The entries now sort alphabetically, and there are some more navigational links.
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Maso on August 18, 2007, 01:47:21 PM
I want it in chronological order not alphebetical!!

Or so you can change it?  :oops:

I wish it recorded more information too. Like when the character was created, when they died, how many hours played etc.
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Bebop on August 18, 2007, 02:08:50 PM
I would like to have the option to put these in chronological order but I LOVE THIS.
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Malifaxis on August 18, 2007, 03:17:30 PM
Belenos, if I didn't know you were frighteningly well hung, I would offer to bear your children.

This is the Awesome of the Year.
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Belenos on August 18, 2007, 04:09:05 PM
The people you should be thanking are the folks that wrote the biography command.  Writing a viewer is not all that hard.  Without their work this wouldn't be possible.
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Rhyden on August 18, 2007, 04:28:32 PM
Fucking awesome.

Well done, all involved in creating this.
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Fnord on August 18, 2007, 05:02:37 PM
As someone who has gotten into bios with the past few characters, I'm really enjoying the shit out of this. Thanks so much for developing it.
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Aruven on August 18, 2007, 06:19:49 PM
Yeah this is great stuff, major props.
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Maso on August 18, 2007, 07:58:04 PM
I like it. Wouldn't it be better under Community Resources though? As it's less a 'helpfile' or 'information' thing?
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Dusky on August 18, 2007, 08:52:13 PM
Hands down I think this is one of the most awesome coded solutions I've seen for the mud so far.  Great job!
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Belenos on August 18, 2007, 09:09:10 PM
Quote from: "Maso"I like it. Wouldn't it be better under Community Resources though? As it's less a 'helpfile' or 'information' thing?

Yep, but I don't have access to that machine. :)   Things will change when Arm 2.0 rolls out anyway.
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Maso on August 18, 2007, 09:20:01 PM
I look forward to it!
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: slipshod on August 18, 2007, 11:03:09 PM
Belenos,

You post-dated your update note on that page by a month.  It says it was last updated on September 17, 2007.
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Lizzie on August 19, 2007, 12:46:55 AM
Unfortunately, like the request tool, I can't use this new bio tool either. A combination of things on my end prevents it from working for me.

I'm glad it's working out for everyone else though, and it sounds like a really excellent addition.
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: jhunter on August 19, 2007, 02:44:57 AM
So cool.

Fucking sweet.
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Seeker on August 19, 2007, 11:04:49 AM
Hands down, deluxe.

Props and thanks.


Seeker
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Cuusardo on August 19, 2007, 12:17:57 PM
Quote from: "Sanvean"Cuusardo:

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2. You will only see entries from after the time that the biography command was implemented. Entries before that time do not have the needed XML formatted files.

Is that possibly why you're not seeing all of them?


Hmm, probably.  I couldn't remember when the bio command went in, so I thought I should've had more characters listed there.
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Mudder on August 19, 2007, 12:24:38 PM
Quote from: "Cuusardo"
Quote from: "Sanvean"Cuusardo:

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2. You will only see entries from after the time that the biography command was implemented. Entries before that time do not have the needed XML formatted files.

Is that possibly why you're not seeing all of them?


Hmm, probably.  I couldn't remember when the bio command went in, so I thought I should've had more characters listed there.

My very first pc had it, and that was around June or July of 2005, give a month or two, cause I remember when it was implemented so it wasn't before my first pc.
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Belenos on August 19, 2007, 01:35:49 PM
Quote from: "Lizzie"Unfortunately, like the request tool, I can't use this new bio tool either. A combination of things on my end prevents it from working for me.

Feel free to contact me on this if you want.  There is a bit of common code between the request tool and the biography viewer.  My initial suspicion is that you don't have cookies enabled.  Without being able to store a session ID cookie, the system will never know you've logged in.
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Lizzie on August 19, 2007, 03:27:13 PM
Quote from: "Belenos"
Quote from: "Lizzie"Unfortunately, like the request tool, I can't use this new bio tool either. A combination of things on my end prevents it from working for me.

Feel free to contact me on this if you want.  There is a bit of common code between the request tool and the biography viewer.  My initial suspicion is that you don't have cookies enabled.  Without being able to store a session ID cookie, the system will never know you've logged in.

It's a combination of things. Mostly it's my browser settings; no third-party cookies. Because I use a proxy to access the web, the proxy site is considered the "first party" and zalanthas.org is considered the "second" party. The request tool is a third party, so no go. I can't allow third-party cookies for security reasons. It really isn't a big deal, because the Armageddon staff has been helpful and understanding in the past and I try not to make many requests that require personal attention.

I appreciate your willingness to take a look, but I assure you it is on my end, and there is nothing I am able to do to change it.

Thanks once again!

L. Stanson
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: FightClub on August 19, 2007, 03:49:59 PM
Hmm needs to check dis out.
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Agent_137 on August 19, 2007, 11:05:42 PM
Lizzie, quit playing from work!!
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: mansa on August 20, 2007, 08:35:32 PM
I don't know if this was answered, but;

Quote from: "LauraMars"Do you have any plans for making the tool display other things specific to each character?  Keywords, clans, or stats, for instance?

Also, can we get the date that the bio entry was added?   I know it shows up when you type 'bio', but can it also show up in the bio viewer page?

Thanks!
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: daedroug on August 20, 2007, 10:59:50 PM
Also when Arm 2 goes up are we still going to have access to this or should we be backing up the3 info right now?
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: spawnloser on August 21, 2007, 01:37:54 AM
From a web-design point of view... is it possible to get 'back' functionality?
Title: Feedback on Bio Tool
Post by: Belenos on August 21, 2007, 10:21:41 AM
There will be enhancements on the tool over time, within the limits of what is doable.  I would suspect also that we will allow you access to your Arm 1.0 characters when 2.0 goes live, although none of that has been discussed at all.