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Title: Hairless races and nails
Post by: amish overlord on October 21, 2006, 09:40:58 PM
Should muls and dwarves have fingernails?

From what understand fingernails are pretty much hair, made from same proteins as hair cep they are harden. Any thoughts?

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Title: Hairless races and nails
Post by: Larrath on October 21, 2006, 09:45:53 PM
I'd say it's a definite Yes on them having fingernails.
Title: Hairless races and nails
Post by: Spoon on October 21, 2006, 09:58:04 PM
Yeah, I'd reckon fingernails. There's got to be some kind of non-hairy animal with fingernails we can compare then to...

Do lizards have fingernails? Or don't they count?
Title: Hairless races and nails
Post by: Dalmeth on October 21, 2006, 10:08:15 PM
They may be made of the same material, but that doesn't mean if you don't have one, you don't have the other.  Hair and fingernails are distinct, separate traits.
Title: Hairless races and nails
Post by: FightClub on October 22, 2006, 12:43:23 AM
those hairless cats.
Title: Hairless races and nails
Post by: amish overlord on October 22, 2006, 12:50:47 AM
I think lizards have a diffrent make up for their claws. And most mammals do have hair, even if very tiny. I think whales and dolphins even have hair, pretty much microscopic in size.

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Title: Hairless races and nails
Post by: spawnloser on October 22, 2006, 02:13:24 AM
Granted, the mud is only based somewhat on Dark Sun...but a history lesson from Dark Sun for those that haven't read the Prism Pentad series:

Dwarves used to have hair.  They evolved to not have it.  In fact, a few people find this out, a dwarf included, and he displays revulsion at finding this out.
Title: Hairless races and nails
Post by: UnderSeven on October 22, 2006, 07:18:33 AM
Lizards, I'm pretty sure they don't have hair but they have claws, which I'm pretty sure are more or less the same thing as nails.
Title: Hairless races and nails
Post by: Spoon on October 22, 2006, 07:40:47 AM
Quote from: "FightClub"those hairless cats.

I reckon this one. A few thousand years in the past, some noble probably sat looking at a dwarf and said, "I want a hairless one! Because it'll look really pretty, and not as disgusting as you'd think."
Title: Hairless races and nails
Post by: Djarjak on October 22, 2006, 11:42:45 AM
There's a disease called alopecia in which one loses one's hair, but not their nails.

</useless facts>
Title: Hairless races and nails
Post by: Vessol on October 22, 2006, 04:21:05 PM
Yet those useless facts help us through every day life. I say it would be pretty fucking wierd to have dwarves without fingernails, and painful, and wierd.
Title: Hairless races and nails
Post by: Bogre on October 22, 2006, 08:47:29 PM
Hair requires follicles. A lack of hair can be explained by the lack of follicles.

Nails have cuticles, thus you can have nails without hair, even though both are made from keratin.
Title: Hairless races and nails
Post by: cyberpatrol_735 on October 22, 2006, 09:05:12 PM
Think about cancer and the radiation treatments, you lose your hair.. but not your fingernails, that's absurd.. I'd say they do.
Title: Hairless races and nails
Post by: Forest Junkie on October 22, 2006, 10:03:58 PM
I think there's a big difference between being born hairless and losing hair due to cemotherapy cyber.

Muls and Dwarves lack the essential proteins, from what I can see, in order for hair to form. It's quite possible that, as a result, they would have no nails also.

Do muls and dwarves even have pores? *snicker*
Title: Hairless races and nails
Post by: Cegar on October 22, 2006, 11:00:58 PM
If they didn't, would they be alive?
Title: Hairless races and nails
Post by: Dalmeth on October 22, 2006, 11:04:50 PM
Quote from: "Forest Junkie"Muls and Dwarves lack the essential proteins, from what I can see, in order for hair to form. It's quite possible that, as a result, they would have no nails also.

Where do you get that?  I'm with Djarjak.  It could simply be they don't have follicles.
Title: Hairless races and nails
Post by: spawnloser on October 22, 2006, 11:39:02 PM
Follicles and pores are two seperate things.

Consider it a quirk of evolution.  I'm good with that explanation.
Title: Hairless races and nails
Post by: Djarjak on October 22, 2006, 11:45:16 PM
Or it could be that they have perfectly good follicles that just don't produce hair.

Hairless cats and hairless rats still have claws.
Title: Hairless races and nails
Post by: Angela Christine on October 23, 2006, 01:07:30 AM
The interaction between pores and follicles has often led me to wonder about hairless races and pimples.  Being all girly (not really) led me to try all manner of facial hair removal techniques because pale skin and dark hair is not a good combination if you want to avoid looking like you have a moustache, and most of them seemed to cause pimples.  Of course that may have been in-grown hairs, or minor damage caused to the follicle by having hair violently ripped out by the root, rather than an effect of the missing hair.  Still, I wonder if dwarves and muls wouldn't be either much more likely or much less likely than humans to have pimples.
Title: Hairless races and nails
Post by: Rainbow on November 15, 2006, 03:01:50 AM
I don't see how it makes sense in a sand-filled world, for dwarves to evolve to not have eyebrows or eyelashes.  Eh.  Lol.  Oh well.
Title: Hairless races and nails
Post by: adrien on November 18, 2006, 11:17:28 AM
Quote from: "Vessol"Yet those useless facts help us through every day life. I say it would be pretty fucking wierd to have dwarves without fingernails, and painful, and wierd.

if they didn't have fingernails they would evolve  tougher hands to compinsate
Title: Hairless races and nails
Post by: Tisiphone on November 24, 2006, 10:07:58 AM
I'd like to point out that not only is there the cuticle-follicle difference, but actually a genetic difference as well. (Witness, once again, the cats, whose genes were manipulated through artificial selection.) I'd -also- like to point out that, while in the same 'family', the proteins of hair and fingernails are different. Sure, they're keratin, but what KIND of keratin?
Title: Hairless races and nails
Post by: Cyrian20 on November 24, 2006, 02:05:47 PM
That is like asking why you can't by a men's cotton jersey at Victoria's Secret. The same materials yes, but hair follicles don't make fingernails.
Title: Hairless races and nails
Post by: Tisiphone on November 24, 2006, 02:14:14 PM
Hee, signature self-esteem boost!