Is it considered wrong to use a fake name that may not be in your key words list? After all, you can contact people through the Way using their names...yet not fake names. If you know of someone under a certain name, shouldn't you be able to use that name in emotes/says/etc?
You can, but people will obviously notice it OOCly (and of course, it could prove inconvenient for them). I suggest submitting a request for a keyword change after making up a new alias for yourself.
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Yes, I always find this very frustrating, and it makes me start wondering if I caught the name right.
I think people should be able to add keywords to themself. I don't really see any abuse in it.
Quote from: "Cegar"I think people should be able to add keywords to themself. I don't really see any abuse in it.
I do.
add keyword God
say Hello my name is God
other player:
look God
say Yup you must be god.
ooc think: How the hell did he get that authed?
Or, you're playing "the gruff, sinewy man."
In the same room as "the slight, lanky dude" and "the shapely, horta-breasted woman."
Emote moves to give a pile of coins to ~shapely.
(The slight, lanky dude adds the keywords "shapely" "horta-breasted" and "woman" to his desc.)
give 500 coins shapely
(Slight, lanky dude sets run, hauls ass.)
>kill shapely
You really think that would happen?
Are bears Catholic? Does the Pope shit in the woods?
I really, really do, yes. I don't have a huge amount of confidence in some players out there.
i had an experience with it today.
I just roleplayed around it, and didn't mind at all. My character already knew this guy was bullshit, he didn't need to know he was using an alias to boot.
I think the advantages from using an alias not on your keyword (anonyminity [sic]) are balanced by the people who will use OOC information to know you're lying.
as long as you use it for one time interactions, it's fine, but if you expect to interact with them more than once or twice, please have it added, as -they'd- know you by that name, regardless if you want to respond to it or not.
p.s.
If i ever have continued interactions with some one who is using a name not on their keyword list, ILL wish all to have it added.
I like using fake names. :( Especially if you're a magick user. Can't really trust everyone off the bat that easily. O-o Though, it would be ironic if you use the same name as the person who's asking for it... especially templars, real nasty.
Whenever I make a char -no matter what- I create a few extra names, even if I have no plans to use them and if it makes very little sense.
Because, you just never know.
If people did this regularly (say 3 extra fake names), then once they'd handed out 2 names, they could put in a request and say "woah, I'm going through my fake names quicker then I thought. Could you add Bob, Jane and Job please?" and still have 1 spare to use while the Imms get around to your request.
QuoteI think people should be able to add keywords to themself. I don't really see any abuse in it.
Quote(The slight, lanky dude adds the keywords "shapely" "horta-breasted" and "woman" to his desc.)
give 500 coins shapely
(Slight, lanky dude sets run, hauls ass.)
Perhaps make it something that you add in the Hall of Kings thingy? So that you have to find a quit room, go to the Hall, and then add the name? That should prevent people from ninja-changing their name to interrupt a trade interaction between two other people.
And perhaps limit the amount of extra keywords you can add, give the player a delay or short waiting period, tag a note on the PC for imms, saying "added keyword 'Whatever' on day/month/year". Should prevent people from doing it on a whim, and even if they somehow abuse this, the imms would easily catch the person.
It's perfectly completely and totally acceptable to do this all day long even until the cows come home.
However, if you're going to keep using the alias, then submit a request to have it added, please. But if it's just a one-time thing, don't worry about it.
Hmm.. I think OTHER people can add extra keywords for you?
Like if your name is Amos, but you said your name is Malik (which is not in your keywords) the other people knowing you as Malik can add it to your keywords?
Quote from: "Ghost"Hmm.. I think OTHER people can add extra keywords for you?
Like if your name is Amos, but you said your name is Malik (which is not in your keywords) the other people knowing you as Malik can add it to your keywords?
joe-blow is standing here.
jane-doe is standing here.
moo-cow is standing here.
an inix is here.
joe-blow moves to backstab his kank.
> keyword kank moo-cow
I think I said it last time this isue came up (ar at least I agreed with it) that if you speak with someone often and the name they continually present isn't in their keyword list, then it's fine to wish up or e-mail the staff asking for that name to be added to said character's list.
Quote from: "davien"
joe-blow is standing here.
jane-doe is standing here.
moo-cow is standing here.
an inix is here.
joe-blow moves to backstab his kank.
> keyword kank moo-cow
Does not that look a little bit too extreme? Because well, there are too many ways to abuse in most of the code issues as well.
Crazy idea alert!
How about.. er... letting other people assign a keyword to a person which only works for themselves? Example:
Joe meets Bob. Bob is really an incognito spy for the Allanaki government. He tells Joe that his name is Rasputinitus, yet he doesn't have that as a keyword since he just made it up.
Joe checks if Bob has Rasputinitus as a keyword, but he doesn't, so Joe types:
keyword bob rasputinitus
You assign Rasputinitus as a keyword for Bob
Now Joe can interact with Bob using Rasputinitus as a keyword, but others can't, as Bob hasn't lied to them about his name yet. Cannot be abused.
Quote from: "Hymwen"keyword bob rasputinitus
You assign Rasputinitus as a keyword for Bob
Now Joe can interact with Bob using Rasputinitus as a keyword, but others can't, as Bob hasn't lied to them about his name yet. Cannot be abused.
Wanna bet? :wink:
>keyword figure anonfigure
The tall figure in a dark, hooded cloak runs west, cackling madly.
You hear a voice from the west shout "You'll never find out who I am!"
>contact anonfigure
You contact the skinny, pointy-eared elf.
Damn you.
Make it not work with contact then? :P I dunno.
Q:What was his name?
A:Anonfigure.
Q:What'd he look like?
A:He was skinny and tall. Obviously an elf.
Q:Are you stupid?
A: Yes
You could still go around doing ">emote glances at ~anonfigure" and find out who he is if he's in the same room with you.
As I said, people should have aliases added to their keyword list if they're used more than once. If they don't, there's nothing wrong with alerting the staff to that fact and they can decide if it needs correcting.
I doubt this situation comes up often enough to warrant a coded command.
If I only meet someone once and they tell me their name is Amos, but it isn't a keyword, from then on I will forever know that Pc's name is Amos.
They should have the keyword added before they start using a nickname, or I think it is just abuse to get around the code.
The skinny, tall elf says, "Yea my name is Joebobthethird."
l joebobthethird
They're not here.
They just told me their name. Even if they did lie, I know them as Joebobthethird.
And as I am thinking about it, I like the above idea because I can give that one person a name, they can tag me, and I can leave. This wouldn't happen then:
Tell noble Here is your spice, noble sir. Yes, My current name is Hgere.
Hgere leaves, and goes back to the militia barracks.
The templar looks at you.
The templar looks at you.
The templar smiles and says, "Look. So you are the smuggler."
OOCly, you think, WTF? I never told him I am Hgere.
Hgere dies.
I've heard of this happening, and it is horrible.
My opinion is that if it isn't on the keyword list when you start, only sustained use (lets say a month RL or so?) should really get a name added to your keyword list, voluntarily or involuntarily. But thats just my opinion.
I don't know, a RL month seems like a really long time to use a fake name that's not a keyword.
I can understand once or twice, with no intention for extended use, but beyond that I'm not sure what the justification would be for -not- having it among your keywords.
Personally I'd rather see something like Hymwen posted than what we currently have in. In my opinion, only keywords that are in your short description should be keywords. Names/Aliases shouldn't be in keywords, and each player should be able to specify their own aka or keyword for that person, much like Hymwen suggested.
So instead of:
Quote from: "Current Code"The shady-looking guy says, 'Hi, I'm Bob'.
> look bob
You do not see any 'bob' here.
> think liar!
All interactions would be:
Quote from: "Morg's Ideal world"The shady-looking guy says, 'Hi, I'm bob'.
> aka shady Bob
You can now refer to the shady-looking guy as 'Bob'
> look bob
You look at Bob...blah blah blah...
Counterpoint:
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>contact anonfigure
You contact the (still hooded and disguised) furtive-eyed lean-flanked elf.
Q:What was his name?
A:I don't know.
Q:What'd he look like?
A:He had furtive eyes and lean flanks. Obviously an elf.
Q: I know him, and somehow find this to be completely logical. I'll have him killed at once.
Obviously, all this really means is an extra way to get someone's sdesc to abuse, but (in my opinion) sdesc abuse is probably the single most widespread and difficult-to-stop sort of twinkiness around. (I've seen a medium-level karma character -INSTANTLY- identify someone with literally nothing other than some keywords that were no more descriptive than "the tall, skinny elf" to go by.) I'd rather not see another powerful way to do it.
Ideally, I'd like it to be necessary to at least have shot off a "look" on someone before you could keytag them. Otherwise it could be a heavy strike against every masked raider and anonymous scumbag.
It irritates the shit out of me when someone uses an alias that they haven't added as a keyword. I find it to be pretty sleezy from an OOC perspective.
Quick question: does requesting that keywords be added to your character count as one of those "two description changes per lifetime" tokens?
I doubt it, but just want to check.
Quote from: "Morgenes"Personally I'd rather see something like Hymwen posted than what we currently have in. In my opinion, only keywords that are in your short description should be keywords. Names/Aliases shouldn't be in keywords, and each player should be able to specify their own aka or keyword for that person, much like Hymwen suggested.
I love, love, love this idea. Solves the OOC problems of Too Much and Not Enough trust (depending on keyword match or mismatch) at once. Not to mention all those dwarves you can never keep track of because they don't pronounce their names "right."
Quote from: "joyofdiscord"I've seen a medium-level karma character -INSTANTLY- identify someone with literally nothing other than some keywords that were no more descriptive than "the tall, skinny elf" to go by.
Yeah, but every elf is tall and skinny. If you use those as your only keywords, you are seeking an OOC advantage as well through code. Your sdesc should tell people what your most notable features that make you somewhat unique are...otherwise, my next character will be 'the human.'
I've seen the 'giving someone keyword' functionality before. If you have enough time to type 'aka tall dangerdave' your character has OBVIOUSLY (in my opinion) had enough time to get a closer look, even if you didn't type 'l tall' because you were too busy trying to type one of five other commands first...before the so-called dangerdave ran off.