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General => World and Roleplaying Discussion => Topic started by: Intrepid on November 17, 2005, 02:31:09 PM

Title: Population
Post by: Intrepid on November 17, 2005, 02:31:09 PM
I've been catching up from my hiatus from game by reading the well-
written world documents in the General Information section of the site
and noted that the number of bards in New Tuluk is 2000 (!).

This has me wondering what the overall population demographic is for
Zalanthas by race--if this has been defined, that is.  Also, what the
population breakdowns are in each known settlement and tribe too.

It seems like it would make a great addition to the General Information
page, though it would have to be dated a bit.  It does also make one
wonder: With all the death, destruction and mayhem going on in the
Known World, is the world population declining or still increasing?
Title: Population
Post by: Dakurus on November 17, 2005, 02:34:14 PM
I'll let someone else answer, but I can't help but consider:

the bony, eleven fingered dwarf

Focus: To take an accurate census of all humanoid population types

think I've a natural advantage, elven fingers!
Title: Population
Post by: Intrepid on November 17, 2005, 02:36:54 PM
Wow.  That would be an awesome focus.
Title: Population
Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2005, 09:20:39 PM
Quote from: "Dakurus"think I've a natural advantage, elven fingers!

Wouldn't a dwarf with elven fingers be laughed at by all the other dwarves, and probably the elves too?  :wink:
Title: Population
Post by: Cale_Knight on November 17, 2005, 09:21:19 PM
..that was me.
Title: Population
Post by: daedroug on November 17, 2005, 09:36:00 PM
pretty sure he meant 'eleven' not 'elven'
Title: Population
Post by: Dalmeth on November 17, 2005, 09:40:50 PM
I think considering both interpretations extends the humorous nature of the comment.
Title: Population
Post by: Halaster on November 17, 2005, 10:36:41 PM
We're in the process of trying to find the information.  We wrote it up once, but didn't publish it.  Will potentially let you know when we find it.
Title: Population
Post by: RunningMountain on November 17, 2005, 10:42:03 PM
There was a thread in the archives.. Sanvean posted some numbers. Wonder  where it went.
Title: Population
Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2005, 10:57:49 PM
QuoteI think people tend to over/underestimate populations, and so these figures might be helpful to people trying to envision the world. The staff sat down and worked out a list a few years ago, but somehow, it's vanished. Here's a few guesses, off the top of my head, and other staff can jump in and correct me if I'm wrong.

Allanak: 350-400k, including villages
Northlands: same number, more dispersed
Luirs: 3-5k
Tyn Dashra: 2k
Tablelands: 20k in nomadic tribes (elves/dwarves)
Red Storm: 2-3k
Anyali: 2k (counting all 3 tribes)

Here it is! Enjoy.

Semper Pax,

Dirr
Title: Population
Post by: Nao on November 18, 2005, 03:22:48 AM
Tyn Dashra...!? What's that? Or what was that?
Title: Population
Post by: RunningMountain on November 18, 2005, 08:50:22 AM
It was a settlement in the red desert I believe.
Title: Population
Post by: Dakurus on November 18, 2005, 11:43:25 AM
If you do not know what it is, learn about it ICly.

It wouldn't neccessarily be known by just anyone.
Title: Population
Post by: Twilight on November 18, 2005, 12:59:40 PM
Of course, there is always confusing info as well.

There was a post on the old GDB, maybe 8 years ago, that put the population of Allanak at 700k.  Of course, maybe a few hundred thousand starved to death.
Title: Population
Post by: Sanvean on November 18, 2005, 01:02:25 PM
The figures Dirr posted are the correct ones.  The population numbers of Zalanthas were originally very vague.  A while back as part of our efforts to clean up discrepancies we came up with those estimates (also found here http://www.zalanthas.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1002):

Some points to remember:

Note that Allanak is counting the villages and surrounding areas, which bumps the number up by 150-200k.

The built world is not the actual world.  Allanak is assuredly much more complex and complicated, full of warrens and alleyways and all sorts of stuff.  I'd love to do a mud set in a single city at some point, but as things stand, remember you are moving in a representation of the game world which has been simplified to allow play.

These figues take into account the major food/water supplies for the cities known to staff.  None of us do population modeling as a living and there's probably at least a few flaws, but they're also the figures a lot of calculations in the game are based on, so we'll stick with them.
Title: Population
Post by: Dakurus on November 18, 2005, 01:03:53 PM
Decrease the Allanak population by 1 in those figures please. The scrab ate well last night.
Title: Population
Post by: Tarx on November 18, 2005, 01:26:51 PM
These numbers appear to be fairly good approximations of what is actually in the game world.  I remember asking the same question a few times myself and recalled the thread it was posted but didn't find it again until now--thanks for digging it back up!
Title: Population
Post by: Intrepid on November 18, 2005, 02:18:01 PM
Works for me.

Thank you very much, Dirr and Sanvean. :)