I know it's taboo for elves to ride mounts, as they pride themselves greatly in their endurance. But is it similarly bad to lead an animal around for the sake of carrying packs?
Elves do use pack animals.
As quotes:
"This aversion to beasts of burden does not extend to pack animals. Most elves have always, and always will rely upon all manner of beasts to carry things around. Similarly, there is no aversion to using beasts as a source of food, as work animals, or in just about any other function other than riding."
http://armageddon.org/help/view/Desert%20Elf%20Roleplay
Elves do it all the time, I don't think it goes against any taboos. I used a pack animal a lot when I played a d-elf, and never got looked at funny.
In fact my tribe had a whole mount-yard for diffrent pack animals.
An elf will use a mount for everything BUT riding.
What the players said.
If you're a city-elf, they make pretty good mates, too.
is it taboo for a city elf to ride in a wagon to another city?
It is.
Quote from: 650Booger on July 18, 2016, 08:42:13 PM
is it taboo for a city elf to ride in strapped to the front of a wagon to another city?
I think this should be fine now.
Per the City Elf docs:
"All elves find riding mounts to be a shameful act (though they can usually forgive the use of mounts by other races). In other words, elves will never willingly ride on mounts, in wagons, or on skimmers, as to do so would be to insult one of the few things they are proud of: their natural speed and endurance on the run."
http://armageddon.org/help/view/City%20Elves
Are the docs implicitly saying that elves can run on silt, then?
Quote from: BadSkeelz on July 19, 2016, 01:18:06 PM
Are the docs implicitly saying that elves can run on silt, then?
I thought this was canon
Quote from: Jihelu on July 19, 2016, 01:26:14 PM
Quote from: BadSkeelz on July 19, 2016, 01:18:06 PM
Are the docs implicitly saying that elves can run on silt, then?
I thought this was canon
Let's put it this way: Elves
may run on silt. They have full permission from staff to do so.
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Although in all honesty. I think the skimmer part should be exempt. It is for the most part irrelevant since more Celves stay in the city, and delves are not anywhere near silt, but ... stuff happens in the game. To forbid an entire region of awesomeness to a particular race seems sort of improper. Don't you think? We might as well say that Elves shouldnt use ropes and bridges.
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What? Elves don't ride...not even at githmas?
Quote from: Dar on August 06, 2016, 10:36:34 AM
Although in all honesty. I think the skimmer part should be exempt. It is for the most part irrelevant since more Celves stay in the city, and delves are not anywhere near silt, but ... stuff happens in the game. To forbid an entire region of awesomeness to a particular race seems sort of improper. Don't you think? We might as well say that Elves shouldnt use ropes and bridges.
Agree. I think it's silly that elves would eschew skimmers. Especially if they're the one piloting it.
Silt skimmers are death traps, so I don't know why folks even care about them.
If you want to suicide your wealthy PC, just drop your coins and gear on the edge of the Silt Sea for me and walk in.
p.s. my last death was not a suicide...that was a legitimate peril of going assassin/outdoorsman instead of ranger/slipknife and drinking while Arm'ing. :'(
Assassins are nothing but heartbreak. I've sworn them off.
I must admit, saying an elf would never ride on a skimmer doesn't make sense to me. I thought the idea that they do not ride pack beasts or wagons, was because they are too proud to consider a modality of movement that isn't their own legs/under their own power.
A skimmer is less a wagon, and more 'the only way you can move on the sea of silt'. Wagons, beasts, etc... they're EASIER but they are by no means the ONLY way to travel over sand. Skimmers are the ONLY way to travel over silt, and shouldn't be subject to the elven pride. They just probably wouldn't feel very comfortable on a skimmer, and would generally avoid/not go just for a joyride .... but some stormer city-elf getting a job on a skimmer wouldn't say "absolutely not, I'll run on silt before I ride" because... that seems foolish.
It does seem kind of a fair point that skimmers are not powered by beast, but by wind. That may or may not be an important distinction. Elves make use of tools to travel all the time, clothing, equipment, etc., without complaint. I've never understood skimmers being against the rules, but it is what it is, suppose maybe letting them ride skimmers would be a slippery slope that may one day justify them using wagons, as they're not riding an actual beast? I really don't know.
Quote from: Riev on August 10, 2016, 10:02:31 AM
I must admit, saying an elf would never ride on a skimmer doesn't make sense to me. I thought the idea that they do not ride pack beasts or wagons, was because they are too proud to consider a modality of movement that isn't their own legs/under their own power.
This also raises an interesting question: If an elf could fly... would it?
First off, I propose testing to see if each elf can fly. Say from the top of the Gaj... but I digress...
What about an elf that knew someone that could help them run easier across the sands? Is that also "cheating" in the elven mindset? Or is it just riding, because that is 100% relying on someone else's effort?
Elves don't seem to object to gear that makes it easier to run, I
suppose gickery would be the same paradigm?
I've never gotten a Staff nastygram for flying/teleporting/<insert various other magickal transportation methods that don't involve the 'mount' command> as an elf.
Quote from: Riev on August 10, 2016, 10:02:31 AM
I must admit, saying an elf would never ride on a skimmer doesn't make sense to me. I thought the idea that they do not ride pack beasts or wagons, was because they are too proud to consider a modality of movement that isn't their own legs/under their own power.
I think it stands to reason that an elf wouldn't rider a skimmer UNLESS they were the one piloting it.
Quote from: Raptor_Dan on August 10, 2016, 01:40:22 PM
I think it stands to reason that an elf wouldn't rider a skimmer UNLESS they were the one piloting it.
Clan of Elves on one skimmer.
Quote from: Raptor_Dan on August 10, 2016, 01:40:22 PM
Quote from: Riev on August 10, 2016, 10:02:31 AM
I must admit, saying an elf would never ride on a skimmer doesn't make sense to me. I thought the idea that they do not ride pack beasts or wagons, was because they are too proud to consider a modality of movement that isn't their own legs/under their own power.
I think it stands to reason that an elf wouldn't rider a skimmer UNLESS they were the one piloting it.
No elf would ever pilot a skimmer, then, because failing at it is very easily catastrophic, so you can't even do it until you've mastered pilot, which requires a lot of practice on a land wagon.
Checkmate.
Quote from: whitt on August 10, 2016, 10:20:19 AM
Quote from: Riev on August 10, 2016, 10:02:31 AM
I must admit, saying an elf would never ride on a skimmer doesn't make sense to me. I thought the idea that they do not ride pack beasts or wagons, was because they are too proud to consider a modality of movement that isn't their own legs/under their own power.
This also raises an interesting question: If an elf could fly... would it?
First off, I propose testing to see if each elf can fly. Say from the top of the Gaj... but I digress...
What about an elf that knew someone that could help them run easier across the sands? Is that also "cheating" in the elven mindset? Or is it just riding, because that is 100% relying on someone else's effort?
Elves don't seem to object to gear that makes it easier to run, I suppose gickery would be the same paradigm?
I actually can answer this question.
I either sent in a staff question via request or saw this answer on the forums...but!
A magickally made mount, you know the ones, are subject to the same mount rules that apply to all elves. Even if obvious magick.
Heres the kicker.
Elves can fly/teleport/do all that stuff.
I think the reason was because elves can't normally fly or something? Or because it was their own 'ability' and that they weren't 'riding' anything. You aren't 'riding' Whiran winds.
You would be riding a mount made of the element, though.
(What I just said /SHOULD/ be correct last I checked)
Quote from: Synthesis on August 10, 2016, 01:59:34 PM
Quote from: Raptor_Dan on August 10, 2016, 01:40:22 PM
Quote from: Riev on August 10, 2016, 10:02:31 AM
I must admit, saying an elf would never ride on a skimmer doesn't make sense to me. I thought the idea that they do not ride pack beasts or wagons, was because they are too proud to consider a modality of movement that isn't their own legs/under their own power.
I think it stands to reason that an elf wouldn't rider a skimmer UNLESS they were the one piloting it.
No elf would ever pilot a skimmer, then, because failing at it is very easily catastrophic, so you can't even do it until you've mastered pilot, which requires a lot of practice on a land wagon.
Checkmate.
*the crowd draws back, covering their mouths* Oh, snap!!
My response, "There are elves that don't think they're instant masters at everything? Elves that don't take risks with catastrophic consequences of failure?"