Quote from: KankWhisperer on December 06, 2014, 09:41:37 PM

Quote from: MeTekillot on December 06, 2014, 09:40:09 PM
Why's a dude who's able to see into the future while living thousands of years not introducing tech to his city to make fucking people up easier

He must see that the technology route is a loser.

Maybe he doesn't want technology to rival his phenomenal cosmic power.

or maybe i'm just the first one to think of him doin that

muk utep is a fraud

I believe in Jibbers Crabst.

Yeah, introducing technology, or allowing it to grow, could eventually compromise the powers that nobles and sorcerer kings enjoy by empowering an oppressed bunch of commoners with the strength they need to do some REAL damage, it might not make sense.

EDIT: My stamp idea, however, is nothing but fun.

tek can level a city if he gets pissy

muk can literally see the future. you couldn't kill him even if you had a gun. haven't you seen that one nicholas cage movie?



trebuchets please.

Necessity is the mother of all invention.

Zalanthas has progressed to a certain technologickal level.

Where we go from here? The answer is - simple - we go where we need to.

Different folks will research and develop new technologies depending on their individual/collective/geographical needs.

For example:
Hunting is very important - so it's normal that a lot of the population is working on developing better weapons and armor.
Ne'er-do-wells might be researching better ways to break into places with better tools.
House Nenyuk might be researching better security and locks.
Rogue mages might be trying to figure out a way to mask their magickal abilities from detection OR Gemmed mages might be trying to research how to augment their powers beyond a certain range.
Kurac might be researching how to make spice more potent OR how to mine more spice at a faster rate.
City-States might be researching how better to defend their population from mundane and magickal attacks.

The possibilities are myriad and endless, as long as they're based off of some IC event or condition. If you or your group/clan/house are in a position to research some kind of technology on Arm, you should probably submit a request to Staff and include:
Item:
Advance:
Based of which existing technology:
Actual need for this item:
Materials required to craft this item:
Geographical limitation and/or Clan limitation (if any):
Brief explanation of benefit/bonus to be gained from item:

Staff will probably review it and revert with a yes / no / something similar already exists in game, find out IC.

And no, you can't submit a new "variation" to an existing item/technology - your blade of uber sharpness will most likely NOT get the green flag, JUST coz it's really sharper than the existing weapons available on Zalanthas. So yeah - the reasoning has to be legit...

You know they gotta code that stuff right?

Quote from: MeTekillot on December 08, 2014, 05:41:15 AM
You know they gotta code that stuff right?

Of course I do!

I didn't start this thread, I was just elaborating on how technologies could be logically developed on Zalanthas (IC) and realistically implemented in the game (OOC).

There has been *some* discussion off late, which hints at Tuluk being more technologically "inventive" in view of the fact that it has a lack of certain abilities and defences. (not elaborating here coz there are discussions all over the GDB) - which might have sparked off this discussion.

I'd still be a proponent of literacy available to certain upper-echelons of Commoner in Tuluk, such as:

Master Artists, who can write treatises and essays on the essence of being an Artist, equivalents of 'The Prince', and other blubbery blabs about skulls and daggers.
Bards, who can write histories and songs and notebooks and observations and cultural phenomena.
Senior Aides, who can take dictation from their Nobles and get more books out there.

I know the IG writing platform sucks, and it'd be great to get a more functional/easy to edit version, maybe on the web, but the 'code' for literacy already exists. Making it slightly more ubiquitous in Tuluk (but equally controlled insofar as teaching goes), it creates an appeal for the city-state that does not exist in Allanak.

That's an awesome idea.

Quote from: Reiloth on December 08, 2014, 12:33:30 PM
I'd still be a proponent of literacy available to certain upper-echelons of Commoner in Tuluk, such as:

Master Artists, who can write treatises and essays on the essence of being an Artist, equivalents of 'The Prince', and other blubbery blabs about skulls and daggers.
Bards, who can write histories and songs and notebooks and observations and cultural phenomena.
Senior Aides, who can take dictation from their Nobles and get more books out there.

I know the IG writing platform sucks, and it'd be great to get a more functional/easy to edit version, maybe on the web, but the 'code' for literacy already exists. Making it slightly more ubiquitous in Tuluk (but equally controlled insofar as teaching goes), it creates an appeal for the city-state that does not exist in Allanak.

If this happened, maybe written things would go through the same system as master crafts?

god no

I would hate to have to wait a month to get something approved as a book

I don't think it would need to go through master crafts.

They would have to be a completely illiterate person and put in the RP to learn how to read and write -- I did it with my Hlum before the Hlum were wiped out, so i'm talking more in a meta sense. It was very difficult RP, because the way the code seems to work, you either know how to read and write, or you don't. There is no learning curve -- So it is mostly having to put in the effort IG, show this effort to Staff over a period of time that seems reasonable to learn how to read and write, and then bump the skill to a point where you can RW.

Even then, I spent most of my time doddering around and not writing anything coherent -- But at least I could read what was in the books, and then decide RP wise what I would understand, misunderstand, and just plain get wrong.

If these Commoners have the patience and wherewithal (some would not even be smart enough to figure that shit out), then I think they should have free reign to write what they please.

For a twist, Templars could show up at their apartments or demand to see their writings at any time, just to make sure Sally Artist isn't writing anything seditious.

"Let me see what you've written, citizen!"

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Quote from: deathkamon on December 06, 2014, 05:40:01 PM
You know, something that can be made in the South would be something like... Maybe something that can take flight like a hot air balloon or aerial argosy? With the huge amount of spiders in the South, you'd expect at least one person to make some spider silk into a huge sack or something for a balloon, as well as a huge oil lantern to make the balloon go higher. Make a main hull made of some lightweight material from the South.  Add some rope and some fire bombs to carry aboard the balloon, and voila, you have something that can be super effective in combat.

Or you could just take a huge disc of obsidian and put some soldiers on top and fly it to where you wanted to go...

Quote from: Twilight on December 09, 2014, 08:03:13 PM

Quote from: deathkamon on December 06, 2014, 05:40:01 PM
You know, something that can be made in the South would be something like... Maybe something that can take flight like a hot air balloon or aerial argosy? With the huge amount of spiders in the South, you'd expect at least one person to make some spider silk into a huge sack or something for a balloon, as well as a huge oil lantern to make the balloon go higher. Make a main hull made of some lightweight material from the South.  Add some rope and some fire bombs to carry aboard the balloon, and voila, you have something that can be super effective in combat.

Or you could just take a huge disc of obsidian and put some soldiers on top and fly it to where you wanted to go...

Rukkian powered flight?

Errrr, no.

Damn, I swear, the helpfiles have been changed.

one thing that does bother me a bit in-game is seeing PCs try to 'invent' devices that their characters probably don't have a reason to even imagine. why would some peasant have ideas about hot air being light enough to lift balloons? or about the aerodynamics of wings? or about how prisms work, or how steam power might work, etc.? these things I guess one could find out through roleplaying experimentation in-game, over a long period of time, but it's jarring to hear random new PCs talking about Renaissance-level inventions at the bar.

... you could power the balloon with half-giant farts.

I half-assedly had a character tinker with the idea of chainmail, once, but it got nowhere so meh.

Pretty sure chainmail exists in-game using our magickal super strong zalanthas bone or chitin or whatever.

Chainmail out of bone or wood would be EXCEPTIONALLY hard to make and pretty weak.

Perhaps you're thinking of scalemail?  That exists, typically made from sliced duskhorn horns IIRC.

No, I wasn't, and I realised it'd be pretty useless before long. Scalemail does make sense to me, if only because it's not a large step from lamellar armor to scalemail for me.

There's definitely chain mail in game. Duskhorn bone, if memory serves.