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Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Manhattan on November 03, 2005, 08:16:40 PM
Thanks Halaster.

Here's a list of what I came up with, starting from lowest to highest in command.

QuoteConscript (doesn't really make sense since, AoD is not compulsory service)
Footman
Hussar (Hungarian cavalry)
Dragoon
Blitzer
Keeper at Arms
Brigadier (adjutant)
Protector
Inquisitor (religious connotation, eh? Taken from the Mutant Chronicles)
His Right Hand (you know...Tek's royal servants)

Any of you care to share your own list?

Edit:

Quote:arrow: Conscript
:arrow: Footman
:arrow: Sentry
:arrow: Janissary
:arrow: Hussar
:arrow: Dragoon
:arrow: Taskmaster
:arrow: Brigadier
:arrow: Armiger
:arrow: Inquisitor
:arrow: Leviathan
:arrow: Keeper at Arms
:arrow: Storm Warden
:arrow: Dragon Marshal
:arrow: His Right Hand
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Tamarin on November 03, 2005, 08:17:53 PM
I like it.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Ghost on November 03, 2005, 08:20:47 PM
Did not like conscript.

Did not like footman either.  Private is better.

Hussar?  Hmm... Cavalry does not play any significant role, so I think it should be removed too.

The rest, sounds cool.  I like it.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: flurry on November 03, 2005, 08:31:55 PM
Can we post them?  I thought Halaster said not to, but maybe that was just not to post them instead of emailing.    :?

Don't really like your first two, Manhattan, but I like the other ones.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Manhattan on November 03, 2005, 08:33:45 PM
I was thinking that the AoD was more like a devout group of servicemen....like religious priests. "Devoted" sounds like a good rank. The closer they are to their god-king, Tektolnes, the higher their rank and influence.

AoD also serve as law-enforcement, so maybe the term "officer" or "police" could be used?

I want to see your lists!
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: EvilRoeSlade on November 03, 2005, 08:35:39 PM
Quote from: "Manhattan"I was thinking that the AoD was more like a devout group of servicemen....like religious priests. "Devoted" sounds like a good rank. The closer they are to their god-king, Tektolnes, the higher their rank and influence.

That really isn't what the Arm of the Dragon is, I don't think.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: mansa on November 03, 2005, 08:37:43 PM
Some are very cool, however, Halaster doesn't read the threads on the GDB.  In fact, Halaster doesn't even visit here.  All he does is read his email.  So email him.

Trust mansa.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Xygax on November 03, 2005, 11:11:35 PM
Yeah, Hal did request these be e-mailed.  Your idea may lose some cachet in being posted here, since it will lose the advantage of potentially remaining (among the higher rank-levels) something of an IC secret for a while.  IC secrets are good.

-- X
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Forest Junkie on November 04, 2005, 01:27:19 AM
Dragoon is fucking badass.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: JollyGreenGiant on November 04, 2005, 01:29:33 AM
I think Trogdor should be a rank in the Arm of the Dragon.  It would be the big beefy arm... coming out of the back of his neck...
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: picklehead on November 04, 2005, 01:37:42 AM
.. burninating the country... TROGDOR!
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: cyberpatrol_735 on November 04, 2005, 02:32:00 AM
Wow.. for someone with too much time and no artistic skills, Trogdor sure is famous.

For those of you who don't know who he is...


<insert rant here>

TROGDOR!
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Halaster on November 04, 2005, 08:54:20 AM
Yes, I specifically asked to email and not to post it here.  I'm not going to pay any attention to the ones posted here, so nyah!
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Ghost on November 04, 2005, 09:59:42 AM
I think he posted here, so we can contribute, add our ideas, and he can reshape them before emailing.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Halaster on November 04, 2005, 11:05:10 AM
Quote from: "Ghost"I think he posted here, so we can contribute, add our ideas, and he can reshape them before emailing.

Ahh, ok, in that case.. have at it.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: bloodfromstone on November 04, 2005, 11:36:14 AM
Looks nice, Manhattan. To me, "His Right Hand" sounds more like a Tuluki thing and less like an Allanaki rank, though. If it were me, I'd probably go with a one-word rank instead. Either way, great job!
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Xygax on November 04, 2005, 11:42:08 AM
And we all know what Tek does with his right hand.

-- X
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: adrien on November 04, 2005, 11:51:30 AM
Quote from: "Xygax"And we all know what Tek does with his right hand.

-- X


thats a good one!!!!


LOL
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Armaddict on November 04, 2005, 11:55:27 AM
I like 'em.  Except for blitzer.  That one just seems out of place or weird to me for some reason.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Xygax on November 04, 2005, 01:20:25 PM
Isn't Blitzer one of Santa Claus' reindeer?
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Halaster on November 04, 2005, 01:21:41 PM
Oo.. reindeer names.

Private Dancer
Sergeant Blitzer
Lieutenant Prancer
Captain Donner
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: LauraMars on November 04, 2005, 01:24:14 PM
Blitzen.  

ZEN.

(yes I am, thank you)
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Manhattan on November 04, 2005, 04:53:01 PM
I realized that "Blitzer" sucks.

But it's German for lightning, god!
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Ghost on November 04, 2005, 05:10:20 PM
Quote from: "Xygax"And we all know what Tek does with his right hand.

-- X

ROFL!  Now I am having some -clear- ideas of the relationship between Black Robes and Tek!
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: bloodfromstone on November 04, 2005, 06:51:34 PM
QuoteBut it's German for lightning, god!

Anything that means lightning gets a thumbs-up in my book.

Actually, let's just name all of the ranks 'lightning' in an assortment of languages.
Title: Re: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Maybe42or54 on November 05, 2005, 11:09:23 AM
Quote from: "Manhattan"Thanks Halaster.

Here's a list of what I came up with, starting from lowest to highest in command.

QuoteConscript (doesn't really make sense since, AoD is not compulsory service)
Footman
Hussar (Hungarian cavalry)
Dragoon
Blitzer
Keeper at Arms
Brigadier (adjutant)
Protector
Inquisitor (religious connotation, eh? Taken from the Mutant Chronicles)
His Right Hand (you know...Tek's royal servants)

Any of you care to share your own list?

Not right now, but I was thinking I like Dragoon.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: halfhuman on November 05, 2005, 12:57:01 PM
What I thought would be cool, would be certain divisions and titles that have nothing to do with the chain of command. Like, you could be a private, but you would be (for lack of a better example) Private of Communications and you'd be the poor bastard that has to sit back and psi and relay carry messages and stuff. While you have no authority over other privates, you're not just a plain, bland old private. You're a little more specific than that.

Also, I'm not sure if Half-Giants can make Sarge or not, but why have them stop there? They're big stupid brutes, and you don't want them making too important of decisions as a Sarge, but why have them stop and sit at private the rest of their lives? Give them their own cool HG ranks. Like, after private, a human could go to Sarge, but a half-giant could go to Lifter of Heavy Objects or some kind of HG specific rank. Gives the HG players something to strive for. Make the HG's feel important so that they don't turn on us.  :shock:

Finally, I liked most of Manhattan's ranks with the exception of blitzer.  I liked Conscript. People leave the Arm. Get fired and what not, so during your early days Conscript works, I think.  Hussar? ... Don't seem like a good general rank, but if some ranger who signs up manages to max out his riding skills enough, maybe he could be given the honorary title of Hussar. Not part of the regular chain of command, but something special to strive for and set your character aside from all the other boringly titled privates.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Delirium on November 05, 2005, 01:39:34 PM
"Dragoon" makes me think of Legend of the Dragoon.

One of the most awesome games ever to hit the playstation.  EVAR.

(http://www.gamecritics.com/feature/artgallery/legendragoon/art02.jpg)

(Except SHE sucked.  BIGTIME.  Until you put in a LOT of work on her.)

Sorry. I can't address someone in game as "Dragoon" without that mental image.  It doesn't sound very "Arm-ish" either.  Sounds more, I don't know, European or Tolkienish.  When I think Armageddon, desert, etc, I mostly think of typically far-eastern cultures and names.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Tamarin on November 05, 2005, 04:16:38 PM
I'd put a lot of work on her.  Definitely.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: RunningMountain on November 05, 2005, 05:11:24 PM
I like the word Dragoon. I don't give a fuck what it reminds you of.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Delirium on November 05, 2005, 05:26:17 PM
... and just as you've stated your opinion, I stated mine.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Manhattan on November 05, 2005, 11:28:46 PM
Quote from: "halfhuman"Also, I'm not sure if Half-Giants can make Sarge or not, but why have them stop there? They're big stupid brutes, and you don't want them making too important of decisions as a Sarge, but why have them stop and sit at private the rest of their lives? Give them their own cool HG ranks. Like, after private, a human could go to Sarge, but a half-giant could go to Lifter of Heavy Objects or some kind of HG specific rank. Gives the HG players something to strive for. Make the HG's feel important so that they don't turn on us.  :shock:

That's actually a really good idea. Come up with some ranks, halfhuman!

A dragoon was traditionally a soldier trained to fight on foot, but transport himself on horseback. In other words, he moved as cavalry but fought as infantry.

There. Straight from Wikipedia.

I wasn't sure which rank would be more correct. Skirmisher, or phalanx. Phalanx is a type of skirmisher....so...yeah....
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Anonymous on November 05, 2005, 11:47:54 PM
Quote from: "Delirium"Sorry. I can't address someone in game as "Dragoon" without that mental image.
Do you wonder if the Templars in game are the ones protecting the bloodline of Christ in some crappy fiction book?  I guess I can see how certain terms could be a little different to get used to but so long as it is appropriate I don't see why a term can't get Zalanthafied.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: X-D on November 06, 2005, 01:14:39 AM
Over all, I don't much like the list, Footman is alright, as is his right hand.

But, I'd think you'd want something a bit more, Zalanthian/nakky.

Lowest rank I'd keep at recruit, then go from there.
Footman would be nice for next.
For most of the higher ones, I'd probly use multi word titles.
Like, below His right hand maybe something Like Dragon Marshal.
I like Inquisitor too. Maybe something like Enforcer for one, or His Enforcer, Enforcer of the Arm.

Guess what I'm getting at is, using titles granted to RL earth ranks/soldier etc, just does not seem to fit.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Dalmeth on November 06, 2005, 02:03:17 AM
Quote from: "Manhattan"Phalanx is a type of skirmisher....so...yeah....

Phalanx is not a skirmisher.  A phalanx is a formation of soldiers.  With the Greeks, the general soldier was referred to as a hoplite.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Manhattan on November 06, 2005, 02:16:28 AM
Quote from: "Dalmeth"
Quote from: "Manhattan"Phalanx is a type of skirmisher....so...yeah....

Phalanx is not a skirmisher.  A phalanx is a formation of soldiers.  With the Greeks, the general soldier was referred to as a hoplite.

Whoops, meant peltast, the light infantry (skirmishers). Hoplites were the heavy infantry.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Agent_137 on November 06, 2005, 02:39:22 AM
dragoon reminds me of the french dragoons that got owned in the battle of waterloo.

i think it'd be a cool IG term.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: ale six on November 06, 2005, 03:16:15 AM
Legend of Dragoon was freaking awesome. I'd love to be a Dragoon just to pay homage to that game.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Manhattan on November 06, 2005, 04:56:15 AM
Took some ideas and incorporated it. The list is altered a bit.

Ready to be sent to Halaster!
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Naiona on November 06, 2005, 07:08:25 AM
Nice list so far.  I'd also reccomend not relying too much on actual ranks from military organizations in the real world.  It would be interesting to see some new 'made up' ranks with the idea of desert warfare in mind.  Perhaps some more use of jade and dragon imagery would also be interesting.

I'd personally also like to see a multiple-track progression for AoD employees.  There could be militant and non-militant tracks, with ranks like 'Mounted Kankrider' for scout PCs or '3rd Assistant Tactician' for non-combatant PCs.  Other ideas might take the names of unique creatures and combine their traits with job titles.  

It might be interesting to try to consider what new types of special roles we could create for PCs based on titles they are awarded.  When you give someone a title like 'Lesser Liason to the Nobility' you are suddenly creating a bridge between the gruff military and the noble players.  It might be interesting to try to create titles that give PCs good reasons to interact and plot.  That said, I'd shy away from terms like 'legions' and 'inquisitor' as those are pretty uniquely Tuluki terms in game.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Maybe42or54 on November 06, 2005, 10:58:48 AM
Is Halaster interested in making the AOD ranks non-linear?
I thought we were just renaming the ranks.

If it is becoming non-linear, then I'll have to resubmit.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Ritley on November 06, 2005, 11:19:11 AM
Rank ideas:

Green  

Sentry

Warrior of the dragon

Shadow of drov

Kraths nightmare

Weaponsmaster *name* *and then his weapon of choice* example:  "I am weaponsmaster Ritley of the axe"

Right hand of Tek
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: halfhuman on November 06, 2005, 11:45:14 AM
I propose we change the militia into, basically, a big frat house.

Alpha Omega Delta will will be the new name, and we can replace "recruits" with "pledges", our privates with "brothers", and our Sargeant with a forty-three year old man named Larry who still hangs around the place, though he was dismissed over 20 years ago.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: X-D on November 06, 2005, 01:17:50 PM
Also, somebody had the idea of half-giant only ranks, I like that idea too.

Simple things.
Buckler of Tek
Shield of Tek
Wall of Tek
Mekillot Bane
Something like that.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Anonymous on November 06, 2005, 01:43:15 PM
Quote from: "Ritley"Rank idea:

Green  

Sentry

Warrior of the dragon

Shadow of drov

Kraths nightmare

Weaponsmaster *name* *and then his weapon of choice* example:  "I am weaponsmaster Ritley of the axe"

Right hand of Tek

Right arm of Tek

Commander of the almighty arm of Tektolness
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Bogre on November 06, 2005, 02:52:35 PM
Were we supposed to submit non-militant ranks as well?
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Manhattan on November 06, 2005, 05:29:04 PM
So basically we're not just renaming the ranks. We're restructuring the entire organization!!! Krath help us.  :shock:
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Morrolan on November 06, 2005, 05:37:22 PM
Newbie
Comentator
Poster
Long Poster
Lord of the Board

Oh, wait, AoD ranks...

Recruit (trainee)
Warrior (City Watch)
Dragoon (Also in charge of outside threats, military action)
Sargent (Recruiting and training, also leads actions)
Captain (highest non-app position)
Lord Commander (Noble rank only)
Sword of the Dragon (Noble rank only)

my two 'sids.

Morrolan
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: mansa on November 06, 2005, 08:29:02 PM
Footsoldier/"Soldier" - Private
Dragoon - Corporal
Sheriff - Sergeant
Brigadier - Lieutenant
Primus Protector - Captain
Inquisitor - (Special Ops under Templarment)
Grand Marshal - General
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Larrath on November 06, 2005, 08:54:24 PM
Trainee level: Recruit
Private level: Soldier
Magicker: Bane
Corporal level: Elite [Soldier]
Sergeant level: Sergeant
Lieutenant level: Subcaptain
Captain level: Captain
Special Ops: Talon/Alley Freak (like a Dune Freak [anakore])
General level: High Captain
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: flurry on November 06, 2005, 11:01:32 PM
Ah...what the heck.  Other people are sharing their suggestions, and I'm enjoying reading them.  Here are the ones I came up with.

(from low to high)

Soldier
Adroit
Overseer
Impetus
Obligator
Imperator

(As I understand it, "Imperator" was a commander type rank in Ancient Rome, and eventually evolved into something more significant.  I just thought it was a cool sounding rank.  Obligator is just a made up term in a similar vein.)
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Halaster on November 07, 2005, 09:21:40 AM
It's just a discussion and I'm not comitting to anything.  But, if you'd like to submit an "entire restructuring" of the ranks, that's fine.  If you want to include not combatants, that's fine.  If you want a special line for half-giants, that's fine.  I'll end up weeding out the ones I like, then sharing those with Naiona and we'll go from there.  So, submit whatever you want - I'll use what I want, heh.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: jcarter on November 21, 2005, 12:02:03 AM
Dragoon really isn't a 'rank' as much as a type of soldier. A dragoon rode to a fight, then dismounted and fought. It would be the equivalent of saying, 'Congratulations, I'm promoting you from private to rifleman!'.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Halaster on November 21, 2005, 09:06:30 AM
I have made a decision and made changes to the rank structure of the Allanaki Militia.  Thanks for submitting ideas.

What are they?

You'll have to find out In-Character.  The only difference that should be common knowledge is that I fixed the ordering so that Corporal and Sergeant now parallel real life.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Kalden on November 21, 2005, 03:17:24 PM
Great...my character ran about avoiding/spying on the AoD for his entire life yet he's never heard of the rank above Sergeant...and will probably be confused as hell when he does hear it...

Should we assume that some sort of secrecy surroundes these upper-rankers? Do they state their rank in public?
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Naiona on November 21, 2005, 03:30:55 PM
Assume almost all the higher ranks are totally unknown to almost everyone.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Manhattan on November 21, 2005, 05:16:18 PM
seriously the ranks are nothing special. if you know 1 is private, 2 is corporal, 3 is sergeant, you can pretty damn well assume what the rest are....unless you're retarded.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
Post by: Anonymous on November 25, 2005, 01:33:02 PM
The structure is not very good, you have too many people in command.  You cannot have 10 commanders with this playerbase until you have at least 20-30 grunts.  It needs to be more basic.
Title: Arm of the Dragon Ranks
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