Quote from: Cerelum on January 18, 2010, 06:15:00 PM
I just can't believe you guys are still talking about "trying to fake waking up".  It isn't possible.

I shall fix it.
Be able to codedly bind, gag, or/and blind fold someone that is knocked out...
If awake or sleeping, it does a series of checks to see if you can struggle with it. Or is near impossible.

I've always wanted this.. and would not matter if they woke up, squirming or pretending. Would also get rid of the need to constantly knock someone out, everytime they wake up so they could not see where you are going, talk, or run away. Easier to kidnap, rob, or what ever devilish plans we have!

Totally off topic.  

Quote from: Gimfalisette on January 18, 2010, 02:42:30 PM

While most PCs may do so, most V/NPCs do not. Players tend to approach ARM as if it's an "action MUD" (H&S), but I don't believe that accurately describes ARM. (Though it does accurately describe ARM's long-ago origins.)

Please don't put words in my mouth. I never claimed it's H&S.

Looking at the points laid out by both sides, it makes sense now that being forcefully knocked out shouldn't have subtle wake-ups. I'm satisfied, personally, with how it is.

Quote from: Gunnerblaster on January 06, 2010, 01:40:10 PM
I realize it may not help out much in the ways of recovery but it's better then waking up in a room full of hostiles when you have literally 1 stun.

Ideas? Thoughts? Comments?

I come to check the thread out, seeing that it's gotten rather long, and I find the same arguments being repeated...

The point of any change would be to give you better chances of living, right?

Is it realistic that someone can wake up from being knocked out and still have the sense of mind to pretend to be sleeping? Probably not.

If you are sleeping naturally, whether through drunkeness, a pill/poison, or other, and still have the sense of mind to pretend to be sleeping when you wake up? Likely so.

I'd say the "eyes flutter open" message should still be a room echo, and the normal "you awake and sit up" message becomes a hemote and you remain reclined.

Do we really need this change though? I don't think so. It doesn't really have that big of an impact anyway, far as I can tell, and probably only applies to a small portion of the cases out there of awakening with hostiles in the same room.

Quote from: Nyr on January 18, 2010, 02:38:14 PM
Side note: this is possible in Arm 2.  adverbial commands.  nuff said.

Quote from: UnderSeven on January 18, 2010, 06:02:27 PM

Quote from: musashi on January 18, 2010, 04:49:01 PM
While I agree with UnderSeven in that, I don't think it should be possible for people to control their own actions so precisely when waking up, I do feel that the "eyes flutter open" message should in fact, be an hemote.

Just today, I woke up in the living room of Ourla's house and she and her son were having breakfest. I laid there with my eyes open watching them for about 2 minutes before they bothered to look over at me and realize I was awake. Most people I think ... make little to no noise or sudden jerky actions when waking up, they just open their eyes whil their brain boots up. I think it is unrealistic to assume that every single character in the room is automatically going to notice that. The exceptionally observant might, and the people actually -watching- the sleeping person most assuredly will, but to me, having it be an hemote seems like the most realistic way to represent the situation in code.

You prick.  Allow me to fix your quote.

Hi, I'm Musashi, and today I awoke to BEING AT A SMALL APM THAT NONE OF YOU GET TO BE AT NEENER.  and it was awesome.  Oh, something brief about this thread before I get back to reminding you that I'M HERE AND YOU"RE NOT!

Thanks Musashi.  Remember that time in high school where I stole your lunch money?  No? You never found out it was me?  Well it was!

... and it was the best APM, evar!

Next one's at my place

Quote from: musashi on January 19, 2010, 07:59:36 AM

Quote from: UnderSeven on January 18, 2010, 06:02:27 PM

Quote from: musashi on January 18, 2010, 04:49:01 PM
While I agree with UnderSeven in that, I don't think it should be possible for people to control their own actions so precisely when waking up, I do feel that the "eyes flutter open" message should in fact, be an hemote.

Just today, I woke up in the living room of Ourla's house and she and her son were having breakfest. I laid there with my eyes open watching them for about 2 minutes before they bothered to look over at me and realize I was awake. Most people I think ... make little to no noise or sudden jerky actions when waking up, they just open their eyes whil their brain boots up. I think it is unrealistic to assume that every single character in the room is automatically going to notice that. The exceptionally observant might, and the people actually -watching- the sleeping person most assuredly will, but to me, having it be an hemote seems like the most realistic way to represent the situation in code.

You prick.  Allow me to fix your quote.

Hi, I'm Musashi, and today I awoke to BEING AT A SMALL APM THAT NONE OF YOU GET TO BE AT NEENER.  and it was awesome.  Oh, something brief about this thread before I get back to reminding you that I'M HERE AND YOU"RE NOT!

Thanks Musashi.  Remember that time in high school where I stole your lunch money?  No? You never found out it was me?  Well it was!

... and it was the best APM, evar!

Next one's at my place

In Japan? I might just have to take you  up on that.

Quote from: BlackMagic0 on January 18, 2010, 04:47:18 PMI'd not know if I should laugh my ass off, or file a player compliant if someone emoted that and jumped off the Shield Wall..

Why not do both? That's what I'd probably do.

I'm fine with turning the wake message to a hemote, though.

Quote from: UnderSeven on January 19, 2010, 09:34:24 AM

Quote from: musashi on January 19, 2010, 07:59:36 AM

Quote from: UnderSeven on January 18, 2010, 06:02:27 PM

Quote from: musashi on January 18, 2010, 04:49:01 PM
While I agree with UnderSeven in that, I don't think it should be possible for people to control their own actions so precisely when waking up, I do feel that the "eyes flutter open" message should in fact, be an hemote.

Just today, I woke up in the living room of Ourla's house and she and her son were having breakfest. I laid there with my eyes open watching them for about 2 minutes before they bothered to look over at me and realize I was awake. Most people I think ... make little to no noise or sudden jerky actions when waking up, they just open their eyes whil their brain boots up. I think it is unrealistic to assume that every single character in the room is automatically going to notice that. The exceptionally observant might, and the people actually -watching- the sleeping person most assuredly will, but to me, having it be an hemote seems like the most realistic way to represent the situation in code.

You prick.  Allow me to fix your quote.

Hi, I'm Musashi, and today I awoke to BEING AT A SMALL APM THAT NONE OF YOU GET TO BE AT NEENER.  and it was awesome.  Oh, something brief about this thread before I get back to reminding you that I'M HERE AND YOU"RE NOT!

Thanks Musashi.  Remember that time in high school where I stole your lunch money?  No? You never found out it was me?  Well it was!

... and it was the best APM, evar!

Next one's at my place

In Japan? I might just have to take you  up on that.

Yep, got 3 folks slotted in already  ]

Oh ... right um the eyes fluttering thing ... yeah I don't care, actually. UnderSeven totally called me on it.