...the idea ever come up? Anyone that's ever been in the SCA or anything similar knows exactly what I'm talking about...
Nuthin' like pluggin' yer buddy in the side with a padded arrow.
making padded targets would be cheaper and more practical I think, didn't there used to be archery targets in some tuluki compound back in the day?
I'm still of the mind that archery targets should be more commonplace.
Slight derail: An archery game similar to Giants Fist would be the shiz too.
Quote from: Majikal on January 01, 2010, 01:55:47 PM
Slight derail: An archery game similar to Giants Fist would be the shiz too.
I a so apping a breed ranger that goes by... The Hooded Vestric.
Quote from: Majikal on January 01, 2010, 01:55:47 PM
I'm still of the mind that archery targets should be more commonplace.
Agree 100%. Not being able to practice or afford arrows is a reaaally frustrating way of "balancing" archery.
Padded arrows would still hurt like a mutha-effer.
The word you're looking for is Target.
And the location? Your clan boards.
Quote from: brytta.leofa on January 01, 2010, 03:35:51 PM
Quote from: Majikal on January 01, 2010, 01:55:47 PM
I'm still of the mind that archery targets should be more commonplace.
Agree 100%. Not being able to practice or afford arrows is a reaaally frustrating way of "balancing" archery.
Real Zalanthans practice on half-giant guards, and fashion arrows from their bones.
I imagine padded arrows wouldn't fly quite as well as regular arrows, but I could be wrong, since I haven't tried making and shooting one yet; arrows generally rely on having a narrow (though not always pointed) tip that is slightly heavier than the arrow shaft, and adding enough padding to sufficiently cushion a solid shot would create a decent amount of drag. I always thought that special "concussion" arrows that do minimal damage but knock down stun, or even explosive flash powder arrows, would be cool, though!
Quote from: Majikal on January 01, 2010, 01:55:47 PM
making padded targets would be cheaper and more practical I think, didn't there used to be archery targets in some tuluki compound back in the day?
I'm still of the mind that archery targets should be more commonplace.
Slight derail: An archery game similar to Giants Fist would be the shiz too.
Certain clans do have archery ranges in game.
Well, I may have been the one to kill archery targets. We used to have one in the Byn but I shot one day and it chased me down and beat me until Tlaloc saved me with only seconds left of my character's life.
Quote from: Delstro on January 01, 2010, 06:29:52 PM
Well, I may have been the one to kill archery targets. We used to have one in the Byn but I shot one day and it chased me down and beat me until Tlaloc saved me with only seconds left of my character's life.
That's ... really funny :D
Training arrows? For the purpose of what? So that the arrow doesn't break? Or so that you can shoot at others?
I wouldn't want arrows not breaking because a little padding is at the tip. It is still made up of thin wood or brittle bone.
I would really dislike shooting others with 'training' arrows. Padded or not, that still _should_ be painful and isn't it a bit [added after a second thought]too much[/added after a second thought] unrealistic?
Shooting at your friends? Why would it be so different to shoot your friend Malik with a padded arrow than to sap him with a training club? The only difference is you deal less damage, but it's still an attempt at your friend.
Let's see... (http://www.archery-engineering.co.za/conversions/arrow_speed.htm) The padding would add to the mass, so it would slow down the arrow and stop it from 'cutting' the air to travel fast. So we would have a loud, clumsy, useless arrow. Let's assume it's a masterwork padding and it doesn't slow down the arrow to the point of making it useless; then even with the lightweight weight of the arrow, we have a weapon that could easily crack a rib, even if we assume the speeds mentioned in the webpage halved for lesser technology.
I dislike this area for the realism really fading, so that we can train archery with ease. Instead I offer my two cents for increased amount of archery targets, even a way to 'craft' them; so we can train archery with ease and realistically.
Archery is a monstrous skill. Give the right bow and arrows into the hands of a trained archer and you have death from above. Just like backstab, I don't think Archery should be some skill to train with "padded" weapons. If you want to get better at shooting something with a bow and arrows, go out into the wilderness (If your able) and shoot the shit out of something until you get good at it. If your in a militia role or are otherwise unable to leave the city to practice said skills, that's just an IC sacrifice you make.
Quote from: Gunnerblaster on January 02, 2010, 07:24:00 PM
Archery is a monstrous skill. Give the right bow and arrows into the hands of a trained archer and you have death from above. Just like backstab, I don't think Archery should be some skill to train with "padded" weapons. If you want to get better at shooting something with a bow and arrows, go out into the wilderness (If your able) and shoot the shit out of something until you get good at it. If your in a militia role or are otherwise unable to leave the city to practice said skills, that's just an IC sacrifice you make.
Because balancing powerful skills by making them retardedly difficult to train is a
great idea, and makes
PERFECT IC SENSE.Moar archery targets for 2010, thanks--
especially for military clans where well-trained archers would be considered a valuable resource, and anyone with any aptitude should be encouraged to practice. IC sacrifice you make? Are you fucking kidding me?
Also, learn to your/you're.
You can always work on getting an archery range IC... pester your leaders for it... they want you to be able to not waste the arrows they pay for just as much as you do.
Quote from: Reverend Green on January 02, 2010, 08:09:19 PM
Because balancing powerful skills by making them retardedly difficult to train is a great idea, and makes PERFECT IC SENSE.
Yes :)
I, for one, am not a fan of sparring and dummies being setup. It creates a lot of repetitive play for clanned players. I think a lot of times players will endure it more than enjoy it just because they have to.
Quote from: Reverend Green on January 02, 2010, 08:09:19 PM
Quote from: Gunnerblaster on January 02, 2010, 07:24:00 PM
Archery is a monstrous skill. Give the right bow and arrows into the hands of a trained archer and you have death from above. Just like backstab, I don't think Archery should be some skill to train with "padded" weapons. If you want to get better at shooting something with a bow and arrows, go out into the wilderness (If your able) and shoot the shit out of something until you get good at it. If your in a militia role or are otherwise unable to leave the city to practice said skills, that's just an IC sacrifice you make.
Because balancing powerful skills by making them retardedly difficult to train is a great idea, and makes PERFECT IC SENSE.
Moar archery targets for 2010, thanks--especially for military clans where well-trained archers would be considered a valuable resource, and anyone with any aptitude should be encouraged to practice. IC sacrifice you make? Are you fucking kidding me?
Also, learn to your/you're.
Well, archery isn't "retardedly" difficult to train unless the player is an idiot. I don't think people should be allowed to spam shooting arrows at eachother for fun and games to train up their 'l33t' skills.
If you don't have anything worth saying, I suggest you [-edited to not encourage-] not insult others with comments that have nothing to do with the subject at hand.
Quote from: Gunnerblaster on January 02, 2010, 10:55:03 PM
Quote from: Reverend Green on January 02, 2010, 08:09:19 PM
Quote from: Gunnerblaster on January 02, 2010, 07:24:00 PM
Archery is a monstrous skill. Give the right bow and arrows into the hands of a trained archer and you have death from above. Just like backstab, I don't think Archery should be some skill to train with "padded" weapons. If you want to get better at shooting something with a bow and arrows, go out into the wilderness (If your able) and shoot the shit out of something until you get good at it. If your in a militia role or are otherwise unable to leave the city to practice said skills, that's just an IC sacrifice you make.
Because balancing powerful skills by making them retardedly difficult to train is a great idea, and makes PERFECT IC SENSE.
Moar archery targets for 2010, thanks--especially for military clans where well-trained archers would be considered a valuable resource, and anyone with any aptitude should be encouraged to practice. IC sacrifice you make? Are you fucking kidding me?
Also, learn to your/you're.
Well, archery isn't "retardedly" difficult to train unless the player is an idiot. I don't think people should be allowed to spam shooting arrows at eachother for fun and games to train up their 'l33t' skills.
If you don't have anything worth saying, I suggest you [-edited to not encourage-] not insult others with comments that have nothing to do with the subject at hand.
Yeah, padded arrows are certainly stupid. Archery targets, however, are not. It's not retardedly difficult to train archery, sure... if you can ICly leave the city on a regular basis. If you can't, you have to either find an archery range (haven't all of these been removed?), shoot street NPCs at night, or break IC restrictions.
My point is that it's in the best interests of clans to have proficient archers, and as such, a means for training archery should be provided.
Also, training archery is pretty fucking difficult (well, more expensive than difficult) as is, without some OOC restriction on items that should realistically exist IG.
edit: also, psssssh work on it IC. I'm an Arm player, I'd rather bitch on the GDB.
As soon as I become a master woodcrafter with a merchant of mine, I'll app for "plank+plank+long wooden pole+long wooden pole=a crude archery target". Then I'll be rich and buy two wagons and a silver nail clipper.
Different idea, but are blunt arrows implemented? Same concept, but not really.
I think we're slightly derailing from the OP's idea suggestion.
Padded Training Arrows:
I say, No.
As far as learning how to train up archery - This is something that can be worked out IC. Recruits in any militia shouldn't complain about maxxxing out their archery skill since they should just be concerned with learning the basics. Once they become actual soldiers of the militia, I'm pretty sure something can be worked out with superiors for them to go out, gather wood, make arrows, and shoot at sparring dummies. Waste of arrows? Yes. Waste of 'sid (if any is spent)? Yes. To the extent of my knowledge, even though most city-states have city-bound soldiers, there are usually "patrols" done on both sides to give the soldiers some outside experience. If these are frequent enough, it can be used as an IC reason to shoot arrows at scrab/beetle/kylori/gortok for practice.
Quote from: Reverend Green on January 02, 2010, 08:09:19 PM
Because balancing powerful skills by making them retardedly difficult to train is a great idea, and makes PERFECT IC SENSE.
I agree with this, minus the snarky sarcasm.
Quote from: Reverend Green on January 03, 2010, 04:21:51 AM
Yeah, padded arrows are certainly stupid. Archery targets, however, are not. It's not retardedly difficult to train archery, sure... if you can ICly leave the city on a regular basis. If you can't, you have to either find an archery range (haven't all of these been removed?), shoot street NPCs at night, or break IC restrictions.
I think that archery targets are entirely reasonable from an IC standpoint, but I feel like there's an option missing from your list: don't train archery at all. If your character isn't using a skill on a regular basis, then why would they, ICly, spent hours upon hours to train it? Because it
might come in handy later? I guess that logic works for some PCs, but I imagine there are also quite a few that would probably divert their focus into training that is more immediately applicable to their line of work.
Quote from: Reverend Green on January 03, 2010, 04:21:51 AM
My point is that it's in the best interests of clans to have proficient archers, and as such, a means for training archery should be provided.
That sounds pretty logical to me.
I'm not a bad RL archer. I managed to hit a guy running through a crowd with a padded arrow and a 20 lb bow at a range of maybe 30 feet.
Padded arrows, however, seem decidedly unZalanthan.
I'd like to see more training for archers. I'd also like to see archers as a separate class from Warriors and Rangers. I think this is something we will be able to do in Arm II. I really, really hope so, anyway.
Morrolan
Quote from: Reverend Green on January 02, 2010, 08:09:19 PM
Quote from: Gunnerblaster on January 02, 2010, 07:24:00 PM
Archery is a monstrous skill. Give the right bow and arrows into the hands of a trained archer and you have death from above. Just like backstab, I don't think Archery should be some skill to train with "padded" weapons. If you want to get better at shooting something with a bow and arrows, go out into the wilderness (If your able) and shoot the shit out of something until you get good at it. If your in a militia role or are otherwise unable to leave the city to practice said skills, that's just an IC sacrifice you make.
Because balancing powerful skills by making them retardedly difficult to train is a great idea, and makes PERFECT IC SENSE.
Yes, otherwise you would have folks who could play with a bow and arrow in no time and kill your 100 day ranger. And trust me, even with the current system, I've had 6 or so day old rangers that could damn near kill ELITE warriors. Some things are superpowerful on purpose and they make it hard to make sure not everyone has that super powerful end game weapon at the drop of a dime.
Quote from: Reverend Green on January 02, 2010, 08:09:19 PM
Also, learn to your/you're.
Don't be a dick cause you don't agree with someone.
Quote from: Cerelum on January 04, 2010, 12:17:58 AM
Quote from: Reverend Green on January 02, 2010, 08:09:19 PM
Also, learn to your/you're.
Don't be a dick cause you don't agree with someone.
I'm not a dick, sweetcheeks, I'm just pedantic.
Well, I also happen to be a dick, but that was pure pedantry up there. Seeing improper use of your/you're seriously pisses me off, I can't help it.
People just love creating alternate GDB accounts to be mean.
Quote from: Reverend Green on January 04, 2010, 01:38:22 AM
Quote from: Cerelum on January 04, 2010, 12:17:58 AM
Quote from: Reverend Green on January 02, 2010, 08:09:19 PM
Also, learn to your/you're.
Don't be a dick cause you don't agree with someone.
I'm not a dick, sweetcheeks, I'm just pedantic.
Well, I also happen to be a dick, but that was pure pedantry up there. Seeing improper use of your/you're seriously pisses me off, I can't help it.
Theirs just no reason to be a dick, even if your drunk.
EDIT: toned down.
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Padded training arrows are the first step down the slippery slope to Zalanthan laser tag.
Quote from: Fathi on January 04, 2010, 04:05:45 AM
Padded training arrows are the first step down the slippery slope to Zalanthan laser tag.
You know, originally I was against said arrows... I'm not really sure anymore.
Quote from: Reverend Green on January 04, 2010, 04:12:55 AM
Quote from: Fathi on January 04, 2010, 04:05:45 AM
Padded training arrows are the first step down the slippery slope to Zalanthan laser tag.
You know, originally I was against said arrows... I'm not really sure anymore.
Quote from: Fathi on January 04, 2010, 04:05:45 AM
Padded training arrows are the first step down the slippery slope to Zalanthan laser tag.
I was all against padded training arrows at first, but if it leads to Zalanthan laser tag, we can't have em soon enough.
We already play Zalanthan laser tag. We just use the throw command.
And poop.
As you can see, my idea was a total fail.
http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,21791.msg232407.html
My thoughts are this:
Padded arrows would not succeed in the goal of training. The padded arrows in the SCA do not fly as true or far as a real arrow, they go about a tenth of the distance and would not serve as a means of practicing form with a bow and arrow.
I once shot a kid in the nuts with one of those padded arrows.
My final thoughts: padded arrows are an awkward analogue of the more deadly variety. They're only used in military reenactment. There is plenty of straight up war on zalanthas, making reenactment a smidge redundant. That, and light fighters are super lame, seriously. Why would you join the sca if not to beat the living crap out of someone in full armour?
tone it down or i am locking it
Quote from: Cavaticus on January 05, 2010, 01:36:59 PM
I once shot a kid in the nuts with one of those padded arrows.
did he cry?
how did you practice it enough to hit the kid in the nuts?
He did cry, yeah. It was awesome.
And I didn't practice. I suppose it was just beginner's luck.
Quote from: Reverend Green on January 04, 2010, 04:12:55 AM
You know, originally I was against said arrows... I'm not really sure anymore.
But your (note the purposeful lack of 're, hope you're (omg im nesting them!!!) dicks not hard) still a douche.
That aside (I know I feel better), why can't we just shoot arrows at sparring dummies? Did I miss that? If it's because a script is broken (I too have witness a sparring dummy magically come to life and beat the shit out of people) can we just fix it?