I've been around a long time and the last year or so I'm starting to get the impression that many people are playing the game primarily to mudsex. Even to the point of disregarding norms in order to virtually: Get me some.
A litte over a year ago, I had a halfbreed character, obviously a halfbreed, with a mutation even. Everyone, was trying to fuck her. Male, female, full-blooded humans, full-blooded elves, it didn't matter. Her being a halfbreed alone should've deterred most of these people and she had a mutation on top of it. It seems that all of my characters over the past year and a half to two years now have had to fight would-be lovers off with a stick. People seem to be changing everything about their character's lives just for the opportunity to mudsex, quitting jobs, sexing with magickers, breeds, or anything that moves regardless of possible ic consequences.
Is it only me that is seeing this or are others seeing it too?
Sure, sex is a realistic part of playing a character but I'm feeling that lately it has become the primary focus of people's play these days. They just want to go sit in a tavern and try to find people to fuck to the exclusion of their job, their reputation, or anything else. Starting to think I'm surrounded by horny teenagers lately but it could just be happening to me I suppose.
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
I definitely think people have been way to quick to sex up magickers recently-ish. Though these things are as much the "outcast" PC's doing as the "normal" PC's.
Illicit social hookups from mudsex start more plots than you could imagine. I don't mudsex (mounts don't count) but I don't think this should be hashed out on the GDB. If you catch someone fucking a magicker or whatever, deal with it ICly. File a player complaint if you think the behavior is completely unrealistic, like a Tuluki noble kanking a commoner.
Otherwise it's an in character event that should be dealt with in character.
Trying to have a discussion here, not file complaints on people. Thanks though. I think it's something that probably needs to be discussed. I'm hesitant to file complaints on people as, like I said, I'm not sure if it is just me or if others are seeing what I've been seeing the last couple years.
That part was to Riya, but I took it out since there wasn't anything specifically mentioned.
I wouldn't say that people are too focused on Mudsex, at least not any more so than people IRL are focused on sex.
That said, with Armageddon being a textual medium our hard-wired subconscious visual cues do not get activated and personality plays a far greater role in determining attractiveness than appearance does.
As for inter-species/magicker sex, it's an IC taboo, not an OOC rule. It's meant to be broken. It's only a real problem when people (everyone, not just the two having sex) fail to roleplay the repercussions of doing so.
People like to fuck. Just leave them be. I agree with Yam. Even if this were a problem it wouldn't be an OOC problem.
I find there have been at least a handful of players over the years that went out of their way to play the "exception" at least once. The argument is that the documentation is there as a guide for roleplay, whether players choose to follow it or break it. I agree with this to an extent, but also believe that the norms allow for extremely harsh punishments for those who deliberately go out of their way to be the "exception". That applies to sex, but also applies to a bunch of other things.
So basically, observation of these "sexual exceptions" goes hand-in-hand with not observing hatred toward sexual deviance. If a player wants their PC to have interracial magicker mutant sex, fine. But it's the duty of the PCs around that one to spread rumors, harass, assault, or kill them.
Quote from: Yam on June 05, 2012, 11:57:42 AM
That part was to Riya, but I took it out since there wasn't anything specifically mentioned.
I'm not complaining about people - I'm agreeing, but pointing out that I've seen that more than the rest. Maybe that's just my experience. I'm sure everyone's got IC reasons for it or something.
I was gonna post, but then Cutthroat said it for me.
Quote from: Cutthroat on June 05, 2012, 12:00:29 PM
So basically, observation of these "sexual exceptions" goes hand-in-hand with not observing hatred toward sexual deviance. If a player wants their PC to have interracial magicker mutant sex, fine. But it's the duty of the PCs around that one to spread rumors, harass, assault, or kill them.
Right, I guess I should've pointed that part out in my initial post. I'm not seeing any of this from pcs around these people either. People aren't even doing a double-take over it or anything from what I've been seeing. There should've been some reaction to people publicly and openly trying to bang a dirty halfbreed, or magicker, or whatever.
Quote from: A Large Bag on June 05, 2012, 11:56:04 AM
Trying to have a discussion here, not file complaints on people. Thanks though. I think it's something that probably needs to be discussed. I'm hesitant to file complaints on people as, like I said, I'm not sure if it is just me or if others are seeing what I've been seeing the last couple years.
You'll find a lot of excuses and reasons in this thread to tell you that it's all normal and people are doing this and that because of this and that, but I'm telling you, it's all about the mudsex, dude.
So, yes, to your question. Will things change? Nope. It's always been like that and always will be.
Well, unless you're Akaramu, she has 99 problems but mudsex ain't one :)
I think some people are too focused on mudsex, yeah. Once, I had a character. I came up with the idea that she had a mostly monogamous relationship with a virtual mate, who lived in the area of town teeming with virtual apartments and virtual families. I did this as my IC justification for not wanting to get involved in an IC "romance" at all with that character.
I had a bunch of PCs hit on her, some rather agressively. And when I kept telling them "nah I got my mate, I'm happy with the status quo" they wanted to meet this mate. They claimed they didn't believe that my character even have one, and challenged her to produce said mate. This really soured me, from an OOC perspective. It was like, the idea of sexing up my character was SO important to these players, that they'd reject the idea of VNPCs in a PC's life. I mean - are we all orphans? Of course not. We don't *all* show up out of chargen as non-tribals, bereft of blood relatives. Some of us have mothers and fathers, sisters, brothers, aunts, uncles, cousins...but they're all virtual. They -do- exist. So when a PC says "I have a mate, but you've never heard of him and probably never will," then take the hint. It's probably just a VNPC, and you should just accept that this PC is telling you that such a person really does exist.
If that VNPC doesn't exist, at least virtually, and it's clear SHE believes it exists, then you probably wouldn't want to sex her up anyway because she's insane and will do something freaky, in a very creepy way, once you get behind locked doors.
That was just the one character I had. Most of my characters have been hit on, fairly aggressively, by males and females, and characters of various races. And I don't even -try- to make my characters especially sexy. Some of them, I go out of my way to appear UNsexy. And they get hit on too, by everyone and their brother.
When they're not hitting on my PC, they're groping other PCs in public, making their emotes as sexual as possible without requiring consent, just to make -sure- everyone can see that they're playing sex-loving characters. It's like, they're advertising, in case the current fuck doesn't work out. Personally I find it OOCly distasteful. In Tuluk, it's ICly distasteful. In Allanak, it's probably tease-worthy - have people place bets at the bar as to which one ends up on the bottom, or how long it takes before Amos pops a woodie.
"Too" focused on mudsex, specifically? Dunno. But focused on sex? That is definitely my observation.
I've never experienced this 'problem'. I my character needs to go on a diet :'(
Having played muds for a long while and playing a wide span of muds. Ya find out, alot of folks are into mudsex simply because it is something to do. If there is not something going on every minute you are playing, then you have time for mudsex, or atleast a mostly sexual emote.
I do agree, that a players personality plays a role in one being attracted to them more then race, which, in my opinion sucks (gotta keep ya head in the game and remember they are a half breed, no matter how nice they are). Yes, anyone can attempt to play the exception to the rule, but you will find alot of times most players want to believe they are that special exception to the rule, and so the special exception becomes the norm.
Thankfully, in Arm, I have yet to really encounter this, which says two things to me, 1) Those who are doing it, are doing it somewhere else and 2) its not become so common that you see it every hour and every day, with just a different name doing it. (which has happened in previous muds)
As stated by others, react appropriately. Treat them like crap. Spit on em. Something. Others will follow suit, most of the time if someone else starts it cause it is something to do.
I think some people are too focused on mudsex.
I don't really care much except for when sex jokes and groping/overtly sexual emotes enter the mix. Armageddon != Furcadia. Fuck off with the sexy power emotes and dick jokes.
I do think that people tend to ignore things like race and magicianship and whether or not their sex-target is even alive. If god came down from heaven and granted me the slay command, I might be able to fix that. I guess all that remains to be done is the submission of player complaints.. I just don't ever want to resort to that. I feel like a big prick when I run to the thing and tattle on someone for acting like a total fucking idiot IG.
I really hate the term mudsex, to me that implies people wanking off because it does something for them OUTSIDE the reality of Arm.
I choose the term roleplaying out sex because for me and my characters, it's character appropriate or nothing.
I played an uppity whore once, most of it was FTB'd save for her sugar daddy and a couple kinky-ish things that were requested to be roleplayed.
I played a magicker whose lovers were mundane and powerful and very public.
I played a horrifically scarred bard in Tuluk who got more ass than a toilet seat.
I played an evil F'me merchant that never ONCE got laid.
I played a multiple personality assassin who had a total slut in there and SHE never got laid.
I had an assassin who was scarred into memory loss and gradually came into her own BECAUSE of the men and women who loved her - they were ALL dangerous assassins/murderers.
I had ONE mudsexor in the 11 years on Arm - Something game ME the heebeejeebees about that character but my character loved him so -I- FTB'd every single time with him because to me it didn't feel ok. That player OOC'ed me that one of these days he'd get me. THAT is a mudsex addict or something lol.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. Mudsex and roleplaying sex OR relationships on Armageddon are TWO different things. Mudsexors getcho groove on, I don't care, but it's not roleplay appropriate. No way to determine that because you can't possibly know player motivation. It's your dirty little secret.
People who choose to roleplay sex/relationships out, like I do, don't let people's REAL WORLD restrictions of sex make you feel bad. That's an OOC social stigma we shouldn't have on Arm but we do, we all know it.
People who FTB only - Way to play the char with all its emotions and complications. I could care less if every single scene is FTB'd.
People who AVOID ooc'ly adult situations with disdain and real life moral judgement - You should open yourself up for the experience of letting your character feel things and not restrict it cause of your dislike for sexual or lovey shit - Roleplay the character and FTB anything you don't wanna deal with. I think you'll grow as a roleplayer.
We all have limitations, we're not perfect. Who's to say what's too much hunting? Too much crafting? Too much hatred? Too much murder? Too harsh? Too nice, too political, too sexual? Let people play their characters and if you see something that is socially appalling in ARM standards, burn them witches at the stake.
My point is that it feels to me, more often that not lately, that it is OOCly motivated and it is a case of wanting to mudsex more than a case of rping an ic sexual interest. Not that everyone who rps their character being sexual is trying to mudsex but that lately I feel people are acting rather OOC to get into sexual rp situations. And others aren't responding IC to them doing things out of the norm as they should be. I've roleplay sexual situations with my characters, I'm a strictly ftb person though and I only have them get sexual if it is reasonably ic for them to do so. I don't care if some people prefer that sort of rp. I take no issue with that, I take issue with it appearing to be a majority and people not reacting ic to things they should be surrounding it. Also, not everyone is doing this, I'm seeing some that would be perfectly acceptable ic and I'm in no way targetting anyone in particular. Just a trend that's currently going on in my perception of things.
It brings up the question of how sex is really treated IC. There's no good baseline IRL to compare it to either because it's so culturally different.
Is sex a bad thing or is it natural? Do people see it as cheap recreation? Is it respectable to be a virgin? Are prostitutes an important contributor to the economy or light entertainers? Are monogamous/dedicated relationships common? (Funny, a search for 'romance' on the GDB turns up mostly OOC romances)
Something I find a little annoying is that some people seem to ignore beauty completely. People are supposed to be shallow in reality. I get that a girl covered in blood and scars is a turn on to some people because she can take care of herself. But if a girl with shit all over her arms is more attractive than a girl drenched in perfume, why are there perfumes at all? There's trying to avoid mudsexers and there's treating the text based game like text.
Quote from: audrey on June 05, 2012, 01:18:56 PM
Something I find a little annoying is that some people seem to ignore beauty completely. People are supposed to be shallow in reality. I get that a girl covered in blood and scars is a turn on to some people because she can take care of herself. But if a girl with shit all over her arms is more attractive than a girl drenched in perfume, why are there perfumes at all? There's trying to avoid mudsexers and there's treating the text based game like text.
So you're crosseyed, tongue tied, scarred from head to toe from burns, and a fat half breed... I love you darling!
You hit it right on the head there. Gotta keep your head in the game or it just becomes text. To busy imagining the person behind the character as a five foot five, busty, perfectly tanned, brunnete.
Quote from: hatchets on June 05, 2012, 01:25:45 PM
Quote from: audrey on June 05, 2012, 01:18:56 PM
Something I find a little annoying is that some people seem to ignore beauty completely. People are supposed to be shallow in reality. I get that a girl covered in blood and scars is a turn on to some people because she can take care of herself. But if a girl with shit all over her arms is more attractive than a girl drenched in perfume, why are there perfumes at all? There's trying to avoid mudsexers and there's treating the text based game like text.
To busy imagining the person behind the character as a five foot five, busty, perfectly tanned, brunnete.
This is me.
Quote from: audrey on June 05, 2012, 01:18:56 PM
(Funny, a search for 'romance' on the GDB turns up mostly OOC romances)
Use advanced search and only search the right game boards for things such as (mud)sex, whores, prostitutes, magickers, breeds, and love. This is so not the only thread about this.
As others have already said, it only bothers me when people ignore the dox/gameworld in their pursuit of it. If they are playing a reasonably Zalanthan sex-fiend, then it doesn't bother my immersions.
Quote from: Yam on June 05, 2012, 01:27:45 PM
Quote from: hatchets on June 05, 2012, 01:25:45 PM
Quote from: audrey on June 05, 2012, 01:18:56 PM
Something I find a little annoying is that some people seem to ignore beauty completely. People are supposed to be shallow in reality. I get that a girl covered in blood and scars is a turn on to some people because she can take care of herself. But if a girl with shit all over her arms is more attractive than a girl drenched in perfume, why are there perfumes at all? There's trying to avoid mudsexers and there's treating the text based game like text.
To busy imagining the person behind the character as a five foot five, busty, perfectly tanned, brunnete.
This is me.
Sometimes people say something so deeply ironic that one stares for half an hour not knowing whether to laugh or cry :-X
I tend to play characters who are non sexual, snobby, or otherwise occupied with some goal other than sex. In that light, yeah some players are too focused on it for my taste. I don't see the fun in it.
I also don't dictate what is appropriate or "too much." More power to them if they think that's a fun thing to do.
I also find it to be a fairly large irritant I don't play to mudsex, I can have sex in real life whenever. I play to do stuff I can't do like chop mutha fuckaz with bone swordz. So I play bitchy, and one of the few females who isn't buxom or lithe. Not that the male population cares much. But it is annoying if you are not really into it how persistent and obsessed people are with it. I think that's just how people are.
Quote from: audrey on June 05, 2012, 01:53:37 PM
Quote from: Yam on June 05, 2012, 01:27:45 PM
Quote from: hatchets on June 05, 2012, 01:25:45 PM
Quote from: audrey on June 05, 2012, 01:18:56 PM
Something I find a little annoying is that some people seem to ignore beauty completely. People are supposed to be shallow in reality. I get that a girl covered in blood and scars is a turn on to some people because she can take care of herself. But if a girl with shit all over her arms is more attractive than a girl drenched in perfume, why are there perfumes at all? There's trying to avoid mudsexers and there's treating the text based game like text.
To busy imagining the person behind the character as a five foot five, busty, perfectly tanned, brunnete.
This is me.
Sometimes people say something so deeply ironic that one stares for half an hour not knowing whether to laugh or cry :-X
I'm the busty brunette.
Quote from: audrey on June 05, 2012, 12:29:49 PM
I've never experienced this 'problem'. I my character needs to go on a diet :'(
Me either, though I've been around others who seem to always be doing it. Maybe I'm just not sexual enough IRL to have it ooze into game? The way people make it sound on the boards is that there is always someone, somewhere, mudsexxxin'. Egads!
On another note, Yam and I are bosom buddies. Busty and brunette, y'know.
Edgar Wallace on Intellectualism:
"The intellectual is someone who has found something more interesting than sex".
Corollary: Everyone else find sex to be the most interesting thing in the world.
Quote from: boog on June 05, 2012, 02:22:08 PM
Quote from: audrey on June 05, 2012, 12:29:49 PM
I've never experienced this 'problem'. I my character needs to go on a diet :'(
Me either, though I've been around others who seem to always be doing it. Maybe I'm just not sexual enough IRL to have it ooze into game? The way people make it sound on the boards is that there is always someone, somewhere, mudsexxxin'. Egads!
On another note, Yam and I are bosom buddies. Busty and brunette, y'know.
There is always someone, somewhere getting the mudsexxx. But yeah. Back when I was playing much more regularly, my characters had a tendency to get involved with romance/sex a lot. It's just a natural part of life. I found myself gradually FTB'ing a lot more when my playtimes decreased and I ran out of synonyms for "boner".
Quote from: Zoltan on June 05, 2012, 03:04:12 PM
....and I ran out of synonyms for "boner".
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emote reaching for the scarless fme, @ pauses to look through his thesaurus
Both me and my character are more comfortable killing someone with a bone sword that expressing any sort of sexual intimacy. Kind of a sad state of affairs, when you think about it, but then I go punch someone in the dick with a cestus and feel better. Then I feel bad about feeling better and then have to go find another person to kill. And before you know it it's just a vicious cycle of "not enough dick being touched" and "touching someone elses' private parts way too hard."
On a serious note, I do think the "obsession with mudsex" is more of a running gag on the GDB than something really borne out in game. I certainly know a few "sex-crazed" characters, but that part of their character has never struck me as odd. I know people who sex across the prejudice lines, but I've also seen them catch flak for it. Until I walk into a tavern and find myself spammed with "~ thrusts into Amos" emotes, I'm not going to be overly concerned.
My feeling is if you lived in the dusty shithole that is Zalanthas, you'd probably want as much diversion as possible. Some people will find that in sex, others in killing people with bone swords (preferably after ambushing them while they're having sex. Less armor, you know).
Kill kill kill kill kill kill
As a corollary, I can't wait until I unlock muls. They're going to fit me like a cestus into a groin.
I wish people would fully strip during mud sex. It really is sad when you hire a whore to seduce someone, but when you ambush them in the private apartment, instead of meeting a naked, unarmed, confused man, you end up stumbling into a pissed off, fully armored, brute.
Well, I mean, I'm sure zalanthas has little buttoned openings to grant easy access to their pissin' parts, too. So it makes enough sense that people don't strip all the way.
I've always wanted to do it in a bone helmet only, not wear anything else.
Quote from: Dar on June 05, 2012, 03:30:05 PM
I wish people would fully strip during mud sex. It really is sad when you hire a whore to seduce someone, but when you ambush them in the private apartment, instead of meeting a naked, unarmed, confused man, you end up stumbling into a pissed off, fully armored, brute.
It's the difference between ending up with average endurance and below average endurance afterward.
...is this a serious thread?
Over the course of the last 11 years, what I will say is that there will always be the mudsex. More irritating to me is those who fixate on those people and constantly, in some way, try to degrade their contribution to the game because they, themselves, feel for some reason or another that because they don't enjoy it, everyone who does enjoy it, or even -doesn't- enjoy it particularly but feels it's a viable roleplay outlet, is somehow a lesser or laughable person.
Seriously? One of the worst OP's I've seen in a long time. I'll put this below the necksnap in terms of priority to pay attention to.
I don't think you get the point of this actually. Either that or you are ignoring it for personal reasons. Or you are trying to troll. No need to be insulting about it though if you aren't. Noone is complaining about people mudsexing in general. Noone is saying that everyone who mudsexes is somehow lesser or whatever.
Quote from: Dar on June 05, 2012, 03:30:05 PM
I wish people would fully strip during mud sex. It really is sad when you hire a whore to seduce someone, but when you ambush them in the private apartment, instead of meeting a naked, unarmed, confused man, you end up stumbling into a pissed off, fully armored, brute.
I think I might file a player complaint in that situation lol depends o course on all the circumstances, like keeping in contact with said whore, knowing she was undressing him, ect...
Quote from: Adj on June 05, 2012, 05:02:32 PM
But in all seriousness. What if you mudsex some one who is a minor and they leave their client window open and a parent reads it?
Honestly, that was (sort of) my first concern when I saw that the minimum character creation age was 13. "How has Arm gotten away with that for all this time?" I like to think that Staff keep an eye on those PCs, and whenever things start to skirt the line they animate Lord Templar Kris Hassan to burst into the room and murder everyone involved.
Quote from: Adj on June 05, 2012, 05:02:32 PM
But in all seriousness. What if you mudsex some one who is a minor and they leave their client window open and a parent reads it?
In a perfect world, the parent would start paying more attention to his kid and what he or she is doing on the internets, but since this is 2012, the parent will probably believe what BS the teenager will tell him/her and forget about it the next day.
Sorry, dad! It must have been a virus, look, it's all green and black like in the Matrix, it IS a virus!
Quote from: Adj on June 05, 2012, 05:02:32 PM
But in all seriousness. What if you mudsex some one who is a minor and they leave their client window open and a parent reads it?
I know other muds/mushes have rigid rules specifically because they are afraid of a lawsuit. I suppose there might be a remote possibility of such a thing happening, but really, if a teenager can figure out how to play Armageddon, s/he can also learn how to hide it from the parents and also has access to all sorts of depravity thanks to their internet skills. I'm not losing any sleep over it.
Quote from: Adj on June 05, 2012, 05:02:32 PM
But in all seriousness. What if you mudsex some one who is a minor and they leave their client window open and a parent reads it?
With a sigh of relief, Father says to mother in sirihish, "Good news, we don't have to have the sex talk, he found Armageddon."
--fixed who the quote was from heh--
It'd teach him about consent, at least.
And those be ADJ's words.
I always fade to black. The few times I didn't the F-me I was with seemed irritated that I wanted to do that, and made some sort of point (I'm male, they were female). There are many PCs that really wanted to play it out.
As for my reason, sometimes the emotes folks come up with are pretty neato, even for mudsex, so there is the novelty of that. But, most often it makes me feel creepy and more specifically it makes me feel like I'M creepy if I'm not FTB'ing it. Plus it wastes time. :)
Deal with weird sex ic, if a player is acting crazy about getting their hump on and seems to throw away all the cultural no-no's to make it happen then I beleive there is lots of ic means of making it bad for said character.
As for people going out of their way to get laid, doesn't seem too far fetched to me. The longer I go without getting some irl, the lower my standards get. I am ashamed of some things I've done. :-\
It's genuinely never bothered my immersionz, which is I guess my line.
Three questions:
- If you care about other people mudsexing, is it because it breaks your immersion or makes the game legitimately unenjoyable for you? If not, I'm not sure where your complaint is.
- Do you feel like the consent rule is being honored? This is important, but I haven't heard anyone saying otherwise, and if so that's definitely the point where a player complaint needs to be filed and staff involved.
- Do you play certain types of characters less often because you're sick of everyone constantly sleazing on them in a non-IC appropriate way? This sounds like it might be a real issue for people playing female characters, and that sucks and is something we should look at.
Quote from: Sav on June 05, 2012, 11:39:07 PM
- Do you play certain types of characters less often because you're sick of everyone constantly sleazing on them in a non-IC appropriate way? This sounds like it might be a real issue for people playing female characters, and that sucks and is something we should look at.
Yeah. It's annoying most of the time. When it isn't, I'm trolling them IC or leading them on so I can hear just how pathetic or emo they are.
I've always assumed people were much more obsessed with discussing mudsex on the GDB than being/not-being involved in mudsex in the game.
Guys.
I know I may sound like a bit of a hypocrite here, because I'm adding a comment, and I play the game like the rest of you-
But you're discussing the topic of if imaginary characters on a text based game have too much word-sex.
I just felt like we should all be aware of this.
Akaramu has been making her rounds, I see.
I think the only people too focused on mudsex are the ones who bring up threads like this.
Quote from: AdamBlue on June 06, 2012, 12:19:01 AM
Guys.
I know I may sound like a bit of a hypocrite here, because I'm adding a comment, and I play the game like the rest of you-
But you're discussing the topic of if imaginary characters on a text based game have too much word-sex.
I just felt like we should all be aware of this.
thank you for stating the obvious did you also want to mention a large portion of us contribute our time to emulating the mindset and actions of fictional characters who live in a world where bugs weigh 400 lbs and the cities are ruled over by wizards
Quote from: MeTekillot on June 06, 2012, 12:28:47 AM
Quote from: AdamBlue on June 06, 2012, 12:19:01 AM
Guys.
I know I may sound like a bit of a hypocrite here, because I'm adding a comment, and I play the game like the rest of you-
But you're discussing the topic of if imaginary characters on a text based game have too much word-sex.
I just felt like we should all be aware of this.
thank you for stating the obvious did you also want to mention a large portion of us contribute our time to emulating the mindset and actions of fictional characters who live in a world where bugs weigh 400 lbs and the cities are ruled over by wizards
Why, yes. But I hardly see how that has anything to do with the topic~.
Quote from: Sav on June 05, 2012, 11:39:07 PM
It's genuinely never bothered my immersionz, which is I guess my line.
Three questions:
- If you care about other people mudsexing, is it because it breaks your immersion or makes the game legitimately unenjoyable for you? If not, I'm not sure where your complaint is.
- Do you feel like the consent rule is being honored? This is important, but I haven't heard anyone saying otherwise, and if so that's definitely the point where a player complaint needs to be filed and staff involved.
- Do you play certain types of characters less often because you're sick of everyone constantly sleazing on them in a non-IC appropriate way? This sounds like it might be a real issue for people playing female characters, and that sucks and is something we should look at.
- I don't care that people mudsex. I just wish they'd behave realistically within in the gameworld in regards to it. When -most- characters appear to be basing all their decisions off "how much booty will I be getting" depending on the choice it's annoying and unrealistic. Sure, I can see -some- doing it but it seems excessive as of late. It makes it unenjoyable to me when, no matter how non-desireable I make the character, I'm getting propositioned constantly. I know it will happen with some characters, I'm fine with it and expect it to happen. But when I make a two-headed halfbreed with a tail and five eyes and everyone is still trying hard to bone me, it's very annoying and disrupts my immersion into the game.
-In my experiences the consent rule is being honored. No problems there for me.
-The problem is, it doesn't matter what I play the last two years. Every time I'm in game somebody is trying to fuck me. Sometimes it's appropriate and makes ic sense but just as much of the time, it doesn't. It starts to feel like most pcs have the sex drives of 18 year old boys, on viagra, ecstacy, and speed with constant beer goggles on. It turns into: If you're a pc, you're a fucktarget. I absolutely refuse to play a human female because then it's even worse.
I have no issues roleplaying it out when appropriate. I just want it to make sense ic and it's just not something I prefer to spend much of my time roleplaying. Also, it has felt so excessive to me the last couple years, when I see 60+ people on and noone around, I actually think to myself: Huh, where's the orgy?
Quote from: AdamBlue on June 06, 2012, 12:31:37 AM
Quote from: MeTekillot on June 06, 2012, 12:28:47 AM
Quote from: AdamBlue on June 06, 2012, 12:19:01 AM
Guys.
I know I may sound like a bit of a hypocrite here, because I'm adding a comment, and I play the game like the rest of you-
But you're discussing the topic of if imaginary characters on a text based game have too much word-sex.
I just felt like we should all be aware of this.
thank you for stating the obvious did you also want to mention a large portion of us contribute our time to emulating the mindset and actions of fictional characters who live in a world where bugs weigh 400 lbs and the cities are ruled over by wizards
Why, yes. But I hardly see how that has anything to do with the topic~.
The entire game is silly in a sense. No need to point out how silly any topic related to it is.
Quote from: A Large Bag on June 06, 2012, 12:38:09 AM
Quote from: Sav on June 05, 2012, 11:39:07 PM
It's genuinely never bothered my immersionz, which is I guess my line.
Three questions:
- If you care about other people mudsexing, is it because it breaks your immersion or makes the game legitimately unenjoyable for you? If not, I'm not sure where your complaint is.
- Do you feel like the consent rule is being honored? This is important, but I haven't heard anyone saying otherwise, and if so that's definitely the point where a player complaint needs to be filed and staff involved.
- Do you play certain types of characters less often because you're sick of everyone constantly sleazing on them in a non-IC appropriate way? This sounds like it might be a real issue for people playing female characters, and that sucks and is something we should look at.
- I don't care that people mudsex. I just wish they'd behave realistically within in the gameworld in regards to it. When -most- characters appear to be basing all their decisions off "how much booty will I be getting" depending on the choice it's annoying and unrealistic. Sure, I can see -some- doing it but it seems excessive as of late. It makes it unenjoyable to me when, no matter how non-desireable I make the character, I'm getting propositioned constantly. I know it will happen with some characters, I'm fine with it and expect it to happen. But when I make a two-headed halfbreed with a tail and five eyes and everyone is still trying hard to bone me, it's very annoying and disrupts my immersion into the game.
-In my experiences the consent rule is being honored. No problems there for me.
-The problem is, it doesn't matter what I play the last two years. Every time I'm in game somebody is trying to fuck me. Sometimes it's appropriate and makes ic sense but just as much of the time, it doesn't. It starts to feel like most pcs have the sex drives of 18 year old boys, on viagra, ecstacy, and speed with constant beer goggles on. It turns into: If you're a pc, you're a fucktarget. I absolutely refuse to play a human female because then it's even worse.
I have no issues roleplaying it out when appropriate. I just want it to make sense ic and it's just not something I prefer to spend much of my time roleplaying. Also, it has felt so excessive to me the last couple years, when I see 60+ people on and noone around, I actually think to myself: Huh, where's the orgy?
Maybe it's where you're playing and who you're playing around.
Seriously. I haven't been propositioned on my past 3 characters, and I've had them for like, almost a year combined.
Quote from: A Large Bag on June 06, 2012, 12:38:09 AM
... a two-headed halfbreed with a tail and five eyes
How YOU doin'? :-*
But seriously, though. As was pointed out earlier in the thread, I think some of this can be blamed on the medium. Characters designed to 'look' ugly might actually be more attractive than they would in real life (ha ha) because when we don't get a real picture to look at, the personality becomes extra important in deciding if somebody is attractive.
For example, I find that a lot of the little horndogs can be chased off if she is a bad-ass butch. Even if she is actually reasonablly attractive, if she's a guild warrior that acts rough, kicks ass and takes names, you won't get hit on as much for casual sex because people are afraid that you'll murder them with your bare hands. Of course, some characters are into badass warrior women, but they amuse me.
Quote from: AdamBlue on June 06, 2012, 12:31:37 AM
Quote from: MeTekillot on June 06, 2012, 12:28:47 AM
Quote from: AdamBlue on June 06, 2012, 12:19:01 AM
Guys.
I know I may sound like a bit of a hypocrite here, because I'm adding a comment, and I play the game like the rest of you-
But you're discussing the topic of if imaginary characters on a text based game have too much word-sex.
I just felt like we should all be aware of this.
thank you for stating the obvious did you also want to mention a large portion of us contribute our time to emulating the mindset and actions of fictional characters who live in a world where bugs weigh 400 lbs and the cities are ruled over by wizards
Why, yes. But I hardly see how that has anything to do with the topic~.
Sex(or lack thereof) is a very real and important part of peoples lives, especially people in a world filled with horrors who may just see sex, booze, and/or spice as their only reliefs from said horrors.
Some people are.
Some people aren't.
If you think this is bad, go play Firan MUSH or something and get back to me.
Quote from: A Large Bag on June 06, 2012, 12:38:09 AM
It makes it unenjoyable to me when, no matter how non-desireable I make the character, I'm getting propositioned constantly. I know it will happen with some characters, I'm fine with it and expect it to happen. But when I make a two-headed halfbreed with a tail and five eyes and everyone is still trying hard to bone me, it's very annoying and disrupts my immersion into the game.
Okay,
this I totally understand and agree is a legitimate issue, and it kind of gets buried in the "lol we're discussing mudsex" thing which can wind up judgmental and silly regardless of anyone's stance on it. Players of two-headed breeds (etc) should not be dealing with so many ICly-inappropriate creepers that they're getting turned off the game.
I agree with boog that you might want to try changing up where you're playing, and sandyboots that part of the problem might be, uh, that you're a skilled and compelling writer and obviously the solution there is to give yourself a brain injury and start making twinky characters without any personality. Or maybe we should just be ICly shaming unobservant hornbags who are trying to pick up two-headed breeds at bars, which will lead to fun in-game conflict.
If you have a problem with someones unrealistic roleplay, then please send in a complaint. Making a post on the boards about it doesn't really help at all.
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on June 06, 2012, 01:25:55 AM
If you have a problem with someones unrealistic roleplay, then please send in a complaint. Making a post on the boards about it doesn't really help at all.
I disagree. Otherwise, why have any forums to discuss anything at all? We even have a roleplaying discussion board specifically to discuss roleplaying things. I could've put it there as well probably. I decided general would be fine because we could discuss both the OOC aspect and the IC aspects of it.
This isn't something with my current pc. This isn't one particular episode. It's about the game, in general. Besides, I think discussing it on say...the "discussion" board may get those to aren't thinking about that to think about it and self-correct before they do end up getting complaints. Win-win.
Submit a complaint, they get notes on their account. Which they probably won't hear of until if/when they request their account notes and will continue to behave in such a manner all the while not knowing they are doing anything wrong. And by the time they do, yay, you fixed that problem for one person out of the many that play this game.
If you don't think it will help anything, why waste time posting in the thread at all then? Obviously some people were interested in the subject.
Because apparently people think stirring up shit-storms on the GDB is a more appropriate way of letting someone know they're doing something wrong, than addressing that person specifically through staff.
Do you really believe making posts like this shames people into behaving better? For all you know the people doing these things never once have looked at the GDB.
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on June 06, 2012, 02:08:29 AM
Because apparently people think stirring up shit-storms on the GDB is a more appropriate way of letting someone know they're doing something wrong, than addressing that person specifically through staff.
Do you really believe making posts like this shames people into behaving better?
I'm not targetting anyone in particular. Not in the slightest. I'm not trying to shame anyone either. I'm trying to have a discussion about it. If you don't want to discuss it, don't. Please stop derailing my thread, thank you.
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on June 06, 2012, 01:25:55 AM
If you have a problem with someones unrealistic roleplay, then please send in a complaint. Making a post on the boards about it doesn't really help at all.
I was very specific in my wording in this post. I was also not addressing it to anyone in particular. You came in and said you disagreed with it. That suggests to me that you believe the boards are a good place to air out your problems with someones(or many peoples) roleplay, doesn't it? You claim its for the sake of discussion, but all you're doing is reiterating your same complaint, over and over again, that people aren't 'doing it' realistically.
If people aren't being realistic then report them, so the problem can actually be addressed, instead of discussed in a medium they may never actually see. That is all my point was. Reporting people, in my opinion, will get much more done than vague complaints on the board. I'm totally fine with vague complaints, I piss and moan all the time. I'm not okay with people believing that this is the proper way to address the issue at hand, over filing an official complaint.
Quote from: Sav on June 06, 2012, 01:18:37 AM
Quote from: A Large Bag on June 06, 2012, 12:38:09 AM
It makes it unenjoyable to me when, no matter how non-desireable I make the character, I'm getting propositioned constantly. I know it will happen with some characters, I'm fine with it and expect it to happen. But when I make a two-headed halfbreed with a tail and five eyes and everyone is still trying hard to bone me, it's very annoying and disrupts my immersion into the game.
Okay, this I totally understand and agree is a legitimate issue, and it kind of gets buried in the "lol we're discussing mudsex" thing which can wind up judgmental and silly regardless of anyone's stance on it. Players of two-headed breeds (etc) should not be dealing with so many ICly-inappropriate creepers that they're getting turned off the game.
I agree with boog that you might want to try changing up where you're playing, and sandyboots that part of the problem might be, uh, that you're a skilled and compelling writer and obviously the solution there is to give yourself a brain injury and start making twinky characters without any personality. Or maybe we should just be ICly shaming unobservant hornbags who are trying to pick up two-headed breeds at bars, which will lead to fun in-game conflict.
I can see how those are possible reasons why it happens. I appreciate the input on the discussion and your feedback. I wanted to know if it was only happening to me or if others were experiencing it as well and what some of the possible reasons for it were. I've pretty much found out what I was curious about and hopefully sparked some people's thoughts on the subject a bit. I figure it's much more constructive to myself and others than just simply making an assumption and jumping right to filing complaints on people. I know that it makes me feel like a douche to go directly to filing complaints on people.
I don't have any other questions or anything else to say on the matter so, you all feel free if you think of anything else on the subject.
I don't think it's ever a good idea to suggest reporting other players for abuse. It just comes across as tattletaling. Most players these days are solid RPers and if anything they're doing may be construed as abuse, it's likely one of those gray areas of interpretation (as opposed to more obvious forms of abuse such as sparring nonstop for endless IC days at a time or taking advantage of a bug in the code). Telling people to file in a complaint, especially for something as trivial as with whom or how often a PC is RPing sex, seems to me a huge waste of staff time.
Told you.
Quote from: Adj on June 06, 2012, 04:52:49 AM
I love topics like this. Really I do. It makes me smile in amusement.
Yup.
People make mountains out of molehills.
ShaLeah is a mudsex addict.
This is the sum total of everything I know about mudsex.
Quote from: musashi on June 06, 2012, 06:44:47 AM
ShaLeah is a mudsex addict.
This is the sum total of everything I know about mudsex.
Mind keeping my IC business off the GDB! Haysoos.
:-*
Seriously and more to the OP ... I haven't noticed this. But I play iso so ... yeah.
I sort of agree with the OP, but it isn't enough of an issue for me to send out player complaints. What I've noticed is that if I play a sex bomb, and then a less sexually active character next, people -seem- to immediately try to get some from my new PC as well once they've figured out the emote style is the same and it's probably me. It doesn't matter if my current character is a scarred, gortok-faced hardass bitch that farts constantly, and that they've JUST met and exchanged a few words, and that my character probably doesn't want to take her pants off for some random stranger she just met in the Gaj. But really, I'd never send a player complaint, it isn't -that- much of a problem. Just slightly frustrating.
p.s. I still don't get why so few people other than templars and elves actively hit on my gypo in 8 ingame years, but half of the Known wanted to get into my boobless, average-looking teen's pants. Huh. You people are weird sometimes!
p.p.s. That gypo was AMAZING. You all missed out. I'm looking at you, Feco. ;)
I'm smellin' what the OP is cookin'. I too don't dislike mudsex per se, or even the amount of mudsex that is (constantly) going on in Zalanthas. After all, sexual intercourse and sexual relationships are an important motivator in RL and in the historical fiction (e.g. Robert Graves' book I, Claudius or Showtime's TV series "The Borgias") and fantasy fiction (e.g. George R.R. Martin's "Song of Ice and Fire" book series) that I enjoy and that Armageddon sometimes emulates and even exceeds when at its best.
However, IMO, the mudsexing needs to be done right and within the IC context of our awesome game world. The outlook toward sex in Zalanthas isn't precisely the same as in the worlds of those examples I cited above, nor is it the same as a swingers club in 1970's New York City or anywhere in the Real Word today for that matter. IMO, Zalanthans in general aren't prudish or squeamish or puritanical about sex, but that doesn't mean it's a constant Free Love orgy out there where the two-headed half-breeds are swinging with the noble house guard captains. Zalanthans may not be prudish, but they are racist and xenophobic. Zalanthans are also intimately aware of the tremendous differences in class that exist in society. Those class differences have existed for literally and hundreds and hundreds of years and will persist long after your PC is dust, in large part because they are enforced by the entrenched and very powerful Powers that Be.
So, there are no common taboos in Zalanthas against promiscuity or out of wedlock sexual relations, but that doesn't mean there are no sexual taboos whatsoever. IMO Zalanthas has sexual taboos, but they're just different. IMO there should generally be potent IC taboos against sexual relations across race, across class, or with outsiders i.e. those from different cities or outside groups. Of course, it's human nature to Do the Wrong Thing when it comes to sex; for evidence just read current events about American politicians that have had their careers ruined because they were making decisions based on sexual desires rather than on their own rational political interests. However, those RL downfalls also help make this point, which has already been made in this thread (http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,43552.msg685115.html#msg685115): crossing the Zalanthan line on sexual mores should have consequences. Who knows, maybe if these everyday racist, xenophobic, and class-conscious prejudices and taboos were played out more we wouldn't have frequent GDB threads questioning whether Armageddon is safe and cozy (http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,43393.msg680829.html#msg680829)?
Another problem I have with mudsex as practiced on Armageddon is in my experience it typically plays out in one of two scenarios: 1) female PC propositioned by male PC or 2) female PC using mudsex as a means to manipulate male PC (and I suppose both do coexist). Both of these things are fine per se, and can be perfectly appropriate IC'ly. My problem is when 1) and 2) are the vast majority of mudsex scenarios that are played out in-game, because those two scenarios are the ones that predominate in RL and which reinforce the stereotypical RL sexual roles of males being sexually dominant in 1) and females acting as the sexual gatekeeper in 2). This is a problem because there are no gender specific roles or social differences in Zalanthas (http://www.armageddon.org/intro/quickstart.html), so constantly seeing those two specific scenarios played out to the exclusion of all others really starts to erode my immersion even without me playing the female PC getting constantly propositioned for sex. IMO it comes across as the playerbase ignoring the gameworld.
So, my answer is... more conscientious mudsex RP. Go forth and be harsh, unsafe, and uncozy to those PCs that are mudsexing the two-headed halfbreeds, the magickers, the foreigners, and those way beneath their social status; let the hate flow through you (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Oy6DwHAi70). You PC employers out there, stop making exceptions for those elf/breed/magicker/foreigner lovers and refuse to hire them and fire the ones you uncover on your payroll, despite the IC versus OOC supply/demand mismatch for PC hirelings (http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,43542.msg685137.html#msg685137). Sure your guard might be maxed at skill_slashing_weapons, but he's sleeping with a half-elf and everyone knows it. Or maybe don't fire him, just order him to cut if off with her as a test of his loyalty, or have his half-elf girlfriend killed, but whatever you do don't act like it's no big deal. You horny mudsexers out there, go get your freak on with those magickers and outcasts because you're in lurve, but try to cover your tracks because the Status Quo isn't going to look kindly on your deviated preversions (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud9zBKJJQe4). Better yet, get your mudsex on by making those male PCs that sleep their way to the top as a sexual gatekeeper getting goodies and protection from the more powerful female PC, by making those male PC prostitutes, and by making those female PCs that are sexually domineering too.
Let's mix it up and RP people!
Mudsex versus Romance:
Mudsex, been there, not a fan and for this reason. Every time I have encountered the muidsex senerio my pc's partners had wanted to spend all our time ingame in pursuit of getting it on. It became laborious, felt no different than sitting in a training hall twinking my fighting skill, gave no real development to the relationship outwardly. What was done outside of the bedroom was minimal between the characters, as if the person logged in solely to get to the mudsex.
This Lead me to feel like this aspect was a determent to the over all story of our pc's lives. I don;t play the game to write some porn (even if its FTB).
Romance, this does not mean mudsex and holds for me a greater development in the personality and story. This can lead to a truer development of interdependence and trust in a partnership. The way I see and play this is that romance is more than the moon lite tea sipping on the balcony of the tea house listening to the musicians below filling the circle, which is pleasant, but also a bond that develops through an interaction of accomplishing goals together, helping each other achieve the things they desire to achieve (beyond getting your freak on.)
This I believe holds so much more impact in the game, I will give a few examples:
1. You and another only meet to have mudsex they die, meh, your sad you lament, but how much are you oocly effected beyond the point of having to now find a new partner. But with a romantic bond over time real emotions become attached.
2. With the above in mind we look at betrayal. Sure when your mudsexing there is a sort of trust, but when you get all assassinated/ murder sexed is it as shocking and gut wrenching or fraught with a keen developed sense of emotional rp as say when you have developed a romantic relationship.
An example:
Romance, Once I played a tribe-less city elf that meet this traveler, a breed that looked more elf than not and they began talking about life. At first he was trying to get it on with her or so the tone was. However I would always redirect the situation and making it about meeting places, seeing things together, sharing experiences and learning of his travels.
He would go out beyond the wall for long periods of time, we would way now and then, sharing feelings and desires and experiences we were having. After a year of this he shows up trying to talk my pc into leaving the city for the wilds where he would tend to her every need. She thought about this, but was a bard, and had many other aspect of social growth not to common for an elf in the city, going on.
He would not stay around long in the city, always nervous, and in this my pc could see that there was a change coming over him. He leaves, and she is contacted by a white robe soon after, the robe begins grilling my pc on the other. My pc, a loyalist, is now put to the test; love of this person or love of the city-state. To top it off he is named a defiler. Imagine now my ooc skin crawling with all this developed relationship and the reality of the pc's life and beliefs shaken.
The robe wanted the (gently demanded) my pc to inform them of his presence next he comes to the city-state. My pc, in a moment of fear for her life, makes a choice. when he contacts her next she tells him she has given her mind over to him, that she is ready to leave the city walls forever and for him to come get her. He agrees and sets out to do so. She then contacts the robe and sets the trap.
Now the gripping moment comes when she is near the plains gates in the barrens, frightful of what is to happen when he realizes she has betrayed him, waiting for his arrival.
He arrives and the white robe is there like a snap of the fingers. His surprise was palpable, the expression the tone the words were gut wrenching. As he calls out " Its ok, I would die for you, I love you." as the soldiers drag him off.
Mudsex, I'm in the militia this hotty rolls on through and I'm looking like the rising cream of the crop so she gets the hots and we we start talking, next thing I know she's wanting to get a room. I think Cool lets get a room. He get our ftb on and next thing I know every time we are logged in she wants to skip training or be very late to mudsex. Couldn't get far down a road if the sun was dropping with out being pressed to the wall and made out with. It was taxing, added very little to the game, I had no real attachments developed other than superficially based on mudsexing. I began to hide from her and try to log in when she wasn't around. She fanaguled moving in with me and my roommate and got all prego. I thought about pushing her down some stairs and instead road out on patrol and died. I was never so glad to be away from such a promising pc.
I will say up front that I haven't read most of this thread.
I just wanted to remark that I was once a well-known mudsexer, then I got an awesome fiance and I stopped. Guess what happened? Over the course of the first PC that didn't mudsex at all I got a lot more compliments from staff.
Also to Amanda G.....
The reason they want to get with the boobless PC over the gypo is.... The gypo might rob them blind, and you're an AMAZING RPer either way, SO.....
Just my two cents on that. :-D
I'm not Amanda! :o
Meh. Mudsexx is fun from time to time. The characters that keep you in bed for literally a year at a time are annoying and should be delt with by a knife to the back. Relationships are where, get this, the relationship RP prospers. Not any one part, but all of it combined. Mudsexx, loving words, changing and developing with/for the lover, keeping together despite odds, even the breakups.
I don't know about y'all, but I play this game to be a fictional person in a fictional world. I don't play to be an asexual badass forever and always.
Quote from: Red Ranger on June 06, 2012, 12:23:42 PM
A really good post
The only issue I have with all of this is that sometimes it seems like almost everyone is doing it, and so it's hard to call them out. Or, it seems like it's people in positions of massive power that suffer no repercussions from anyone, and are more or less untouchable do it can be rough to try and enforce it, since they have a half dozen master assassins who -don't- enforce it, and instead get all up in your grill for acting disgusted.
Quote from: maxid on June 06, 2012, 03:38:32 PM
Quote from: Red Ranger on June 06, 2012, 12:23:42 PM
A really good post
The only issue I have with all of this is that sometimes it seems like almost everyone is doing it, and so it's hard to call them out. Or, it seems like it's people in positions of massive power that suffer no repercussions from anyone, and are more or less untouchable do it can be rough to try and enforce it, since they have a half dozen master assassins who -don't- enforce it, and instead get all up in your grill for acting disgusted.
In that case (which seems a touch hyperbolic), I'd think the recourse would be to mention it to staff.
I don't know if it's the sleep dep or the sinus infection, but some of the posts on this last page are truly fantastic if you read them in Dramatic Movie Trailer or Inspiring Halftime Speech voices.
Quote from: Delirium on June 06, 2012, 03:49:58 PM
Quote from: maxid on June 06, 2012, 03:38:32 PM
Quote from: Red Ranger on June 06, 2012, 12:23:42 PM
A really good post
The only issue I have with all of this is that sometimes it seems like almost everyone is doing it, and so it's hard to call them out. Or, it seems like it's people in positions of massive power that suffer no repercussions from anyone, and are more or less untouchable do it can be rough to try and enforce it, since they have a half dozen master assassins who -don't- enforce it, and instead get all up in your grill for acting disgusted.
In that case (which seems a touch hyperbolic), I'd think the recourse would be to mention it to staff.
Obvious hyperbole is obvious ;). I'm just illustrating that while Red Ranger gave great advice, it doesn't always work out due to IC junk, so it may
seem like nobody cares, even when they do.
Just as with most things in life, there should be balance, moderation. Sex, intimacy, these are common life experiences. In a world as harsh as Z-lanth, procreation is as important as ever, surely. However, I believe the OP is certainly correct, if this is happening. As mentioned, it's no different than spam sparring, over hunting, excessive tavern sitting, and the host of other things that are not taboo to get righteous about on the GDB, so c'mon ... Don't get your pantaloons in a wad. ;)
Also ... If you're mudsexing all the time, staff are probably just not going to bother watching you. You're just hurting yourself.
Apparently staff watch me all the time. :c
Quote from: Account NotesSpotted sexing up REDACTED, REDACTED half elf. Not sure anyone knows yet.
Quote from: bcw81 on June 06, 2012, 09:19:36 PM
Apparently staff watch me all the time. :c
Quote from: Account NotesSpotted sexing up REDACTED, REDACTED half elf. Not sure anyone knows yet.
On the bright side, at least they didn't join in? During a very compromising but not-yet-explicit scene on another game, with two characters in an IC-stigmatized relationship in a private room, one of the staff swung by, watched for a while, and decided to animate up a vNPC.
Awkward. Hilarious, but awkward.
Quote from: Sav on June 06, 2012, 11:08:53 PM
Quote from: bcw81 on June 06, 2012, 09:19:36 PM
Apparently staff watch me all the time. :c
Quote from: Account NotesSpotted sexing up REDACTED, REDACTED half elf. Not sure anyone knows yet.
On the bright side, at least they didn't join in? During a very compromising but not-yet-explicit scene on another game, with two characters in an IC-stigmatized relationship in a private room, one of the staff swung by, watched for a while, and decided to animate up a vNPC.
Awkward. Hilarious, but awkward.
You smell a pungent, acrid smell wafting up from your partner's nether region.
Quote from: A Large Bag on June 05, 2012, 11:41:28 AM
I've been around a long time and the last year or so I'm starting to get the impression that many people are playing the game primarily to mudsex. Even to the point of disregarding norms in order to virtually: Get me some.
A litte over a year ago, I had a halfbreed character, obviously a halfbreed, with a mutation even. Everyone, was trying to fuck her. Male, female, full-blooded humans, full-blooded elves, it didn't matter. Her being a halfbreed alone should've deterred most of these people and she had a mutation on top of it. It seems that all of my characters over the past year and a half to two years now have had to fight would-be lovers off with a stick. People seem to be changing everything about their character's lives just for the opportunity to mudsex, quitting jobs, sexing with magickers, breeds, or anything that moves regardless of possible ic consequences.
Is it only me that is seeing this or are others seeing it too?
Sure, sex is a realistic part of playing a character but I'm feeling that lately it has become the primary focus of people's play these days. They just want to go sit in a tavern and try to find people to fuck to the exclusion of their job, their reputation, or anything else. Starting to think I'm surrounded by horny teenagers lately but it could just be happening to me I suppose.
Anyone have any thoughts on this?
I think I remember that breed. I liked her if it was the one I'm thinking of.
But I agree. Soooooo many people eschew there normal goals and duty's lately to knock virtual boots.
I'll admit that I have partaken in the virtual fruit. But even with pc's that had mates or whatever it wasn't as often as people these days seem to be doing it. I've had a burgler litterally sneak in behind someone, and end up watching about 6 hours of straight mudsex, trapped in the room. At one point more people joined, but it took six hours before this guy was aparently out of juice.
Quote from: Fredd on June 07, 2012, 12:44:46 AM
I've had a burgler litterally sneak in behind someone, and end up watching about 6 hours of straight mudsex, trapped in the room. At one point more people joined, but it took six hours before this guy was aparently out of juice.
More folks need to just make PCS that can only last a few minutes, just tell the other PC your sorry about that and then roll over and fall asleep, letting all sneaky sneaks get away.
Quote from: timb on June 07, 2012, 01:00:43 AM
Quote from: Fredd on June 07, 2012, 12:44:46 AM
I've had a burgler litterally sneak in behind someone, and end up watching about 6 hours of straight mudsex, trapped in the room. At one point more people joined, but it took six hours before this guy was aparently out of juice.
More folks need to just make PCS that can only last a few minutes, just tell the other PC your sorry about that and then roll over and fall asleep, letting all sneaky sneaks get away.
LOL agreed.
I was honestly considering going "ooc: I request a fade"
LOL.
But then I thought to myself " i probably wouldn't get out alive"
I probably would have tried to murder them both.
Quote from: FantasyWriter on June 06, 2012, 12:08:33 AM
I've always assumed people were much more obsessed with discussing mudsex on the GDB than being/not-being involved in mudsex in the game.
That pretty well sums it up.
This is thread eight thousand or something that deals with mud-sex.
In the game, who gives a shit? Play your character, do what you want, how you want, as long as you are following the rules of consent. If you want to whore it out wiht kinky shit, do it. If you want a loving scene, do it. If you want to FTB, do it. If you want to avoid it altogether, do it.
The game is an alternative reality. Play how you want to play.
Oh, its another mudsex thread again.
It must be time for me start playing again and role a new character. :-X
Just so i don't get accused of derailing or trolling (again):
In my experience:
1. I've seen people go out of their way to play characters with absolutely no sexual interest in sex more so then the so called legendary f-me pc (a character which I've never really encountered).
2. A lot of people heading to the back rooms looking as if getting ready to sex like no tomorrow are back there plotting most of the time.
3. Role-playing sex or relationships in whatever way you feel comfortable with is a great way to start personal plots, which can be entertaining as we all wait for the next copper war to erupt.
Three mudsex scenes for the elven tribes, out in the sands.
Seven for the dwarven stumps... bumpity bump.
Nine for mortal men doomed to die...
From some STD or a blade hidden between their lover's thighs.
After 12 hours of work, that's all I've got.... sorry in advance.
For some reason this topic comes up and seems to be one of the few issues that nobody seems to condemn even when it is openly talking about people's play style and habits on the GDB. There have been many references to "lately" or "recently" and speaking in a bad light about someone role playing out a sexual scene.
Why does this not come up when it comes to murder, betrayal, torture or crafting boneswords so someone can chop someone up with them? I've never really understood why these OOC judgements come down on people for this specific role play but never any of the others. I don't see anyone bringing up threads about, "Hey, have you all noticed that Crafters/Merchants craft too much and sell too many things?" "Have you all noticed recently that people seem to be concentrated too much on hunting, salting, insert role play option here?" I also don't see this OOC perceived perception that someone who murders/tortures in-game is somehow a deviant OOCly as well, but for whatever reason this is often suggested for people who engage in sexual scenes.
I don't ever see anyone speak about how a conversation in a tavern might take four hours OOCly and four in-game days and nobody even bats an eye to the fact that eight people just sat around drinking ale and discussing the finer points of life without taking a nap or anything.
There are all sorts of activities in this game that take OOC time that translates into unrealistic IC time... but that is just the nature of waiting for players to respond and typing/role playing. These threads come up every so often and it just seems to me like it an open thread to judge other people's style of role play and likely make people who engage in these scenes feel like they are being judged.
Focus on what you want to focus on. Everyone gets their enjoyment through different ways on Armageddon and I never see anyone judging Amos for hunting or doing anything that isn't against the rules. Play your character and do what you want with them. If you want to harass/persecute someone ICly because of their sexual actions... do it!
Just stop taking critiques and judgements on someone's role play to an open forum like the GDB and mentioning things such as "recently" because anyone involved "recently" with these types of scenarios are likely to feel as if they are being judged. Use the request tool if you really are having an issue, otherwise, keep it IC and deal with the issue that way..
That's just my opinion :/
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Quote from: Red Ranger on June 06, 2012, 12:23:42 PM
A really good post
The only issue I have with all of this is that sometimes it seems like almost everyone is doing it, and so it's hard to call them out. Or, it seems like it's people in positions of massive power that suffer no repercussions from anyone, and are more or less untouchable do it can be rough to try and enforce it, since they have a half dozen master assassins who -don't- enforce it, and instead get all up in your grill for acting disgusted.
In that case (which seems a touch hyperbolic), I'd think the recourse would be to mention it to staff.
Obvious hyperbole is obvious ;). I'm just illustrating that while Red Ranger gave great advice, it doesn't always work out due to IC junk, so it may seem like nobody cares, even when they do.
Not sure about Allanak, but I am under the impression that intimate interracial relations are frowned upon IC in Tuluk (most of the time). Caste-crossing (noble/commoner intimate relations) is to go directly against the documentation and will be treated accordingly by staff (and IC where/if suitable). Relations with outsiders (read, filthy southrons) could need some fresh hate though... ;)
I personally don't care for mudsex, but if people want to do it, sure. Just stick to social norms, documentation etc as you would in regards to the rest of your RP.
Quote from: AreteX on June 07, 2012, 07:32:06 AM
Why does this not come up when it comes to murder, betrayal, torture or crafting boneswords so someone can chop someone up with them? I've never really understood why these OOC judgements come down on people for this specific role play but never any of the others. I don't see anyone bringing up threads about, "Hey, have you all noticed that Crafters/Merchants craft too much and sell too many things?" "Have you all noticed recently that people seem to be concentrated too much on hunting, salting, insert role play option here?" I also don't see this OOC perceived perception that someone who murders/tortures in-game is somehow a deviant OOCly as well, but for whatever reason this is often suggested for people who engage in sexual scenes.
I don't ever see anyone speak about how a conversation in a tavern might take four hours OOCly and four in-game days and nobody even bats an eye to the fact that eight people just sat around drinking ale and discussing the finer points of life without taking a nap or anything.
There are all sorts of activities in this game that take OOC time that translates into unrealistic IC time... but that is just the nature of waiting for players to respond and typing/role playing. These threads come up every so often and it just seems to me like it an open thread to judge other people's style of role play and likely make people who engage in these scenes feel like they are being judged.
Focus on what you want to focus on. Everyone gets their enjoyment through different ways on Armageddon and I never see anyone judging Amos for hunting or doing anything that isn't against the rules. Play your character and do what you want with them. If you want to harass/persecute someone ICly because of their sexual actions... do it!
Just stop taking critiques and judgements on someone's role play to an open forum like the GDB and mentioning things such as "recently" because anyone involved "recently" with these types of scenarios are likely to feel as if they are being judged. Use the request tool if you really are having an issue, otherwise, keep it IC and deal with the issue that way..
There have been multiple studies on sex and shame. It's definitely a carry over of real life limits and judgements. Everytime I see a slutty lesbian in game I think "MALE PLAYER!!" and I make a conscious effort to redirect my thoughts cause I know that it's assumed cause of todays social standards and forced moral lines. It's universal, nice girls don't fuck on the first date. You want a lady in the streets and a whore in the bedroom. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free. Same gender sex is bad. You don't bring a slut home to Momma. Men with sexual conquests are dogs but forgiven, girls on the other hand, sully their reputation and are called sluts.
Why are we still talking about it? Because sex makes people the most uncomfortable and we judge everyone else by our limits. Look at all the opinions on the matter just in this thread.
Quote from: Sensuality and Sexuality across the Divide of Shame By Joseph LichtenbergThe close association between sex and shame is one of the oldest topics in psychoanalysis. Attention to this special coupling stems from our field's first understanding of mental functioning being set within a culture of concern with the mores and niceties of fin de siìcle twentieth-century Europe; from the Judaic and Christian culture of its founders and followers and their traditional views of women that supported the coupling of sex and shame; and from the surround of Western cultures that from the eighteenth century progressively understood individuation and selfhood as valuable psychological acquisitions. Self-consciousness is necessary before shame or its more sophisticated cousin, guilt, can be expressed verbally. The affect of shame, as Darwin noted in his 1872 study of the emotions, is universally signaled physiologically and nonverbally with blushing, downcast eyes, gaze avoidance, and is apparent in all cultures.
1872! Two HUNDRED years ago they were studying this shame shit.
Being one of those people who play characters who have broken down other character's standards and been the exception to LOTS of shit, I personally think that witnessing it and acting on having witnessed it can only make the game's conflict level rise and be even more immersive. One character alone broke down tons of Armageddon social stigma.
This isn't the first "people are spending too much time on sexual roleplay" post, it won't be the last.
Deal with it IC, as your character, not what you as a person thinks is acceptable or not.
Quote from: ShaLeah on June 07, 2012, 08:30:36 AM
Being one of those people who play characters who have broken down other character's standards and been the exception to LOTS of shit, I personally think that witnessing it and acting on having witnessed it can only make the game's conflict level rise and be even more immersive. One character alone broke down tons of Armageddon social stigma.
This isn't the first "people are spending too much time on sexual roleplay" post, it won't be the last.
Deal with it IC, as your character, not what you as a person thinks is acceptable or not.
Playing the extreme and the exception is all good, as long as you as a player understand that the game world (as in v/NPCs PCs) will/should react to it for what it is. I'm not sure I understand what kind of standards you refer to, but I'm guessing it's about relation/sexual RP due to the topic of the thread. I'm curious what kind of social stigma your character broke down, and if it had lasting effects on the player base and/or documentation. I hope you won't mind sharing, if it isn't IC sensitive.
Quote from: palomar on June 07, 2012, 11:01:42 AM
I'm curious what kind of social stigma your character broke down, and if it had lasting effects on the player base and/or documentation. I hope you won't mind sharing, if it isn't IC sensitive.
A long, long time ago:
I played a GMH family member that got a Templar in trouble for falling stupidly, devotedly in love with her and wanting to claim the bastard she was carrying. She had big ass scary templar in charge (NPC) berating her how she ruined his career. He ended up trying to prove his loyalty to the city and did a suicide run against a filthy sorceror.
I played a successful MUTANT whore in the
South. I played a mundane who fell head over heels in love with a Krathi whom everyone knew were a couple and played accordingly.
Lots more, most I have forgotten but the ones I remember are way too recent. One character alone, haysoos, the shit that bitch did.
Did your GMH family member understand that this was a problem/or could be an issue? Overall that's not really a big deal, though. Templars can be dumb, and so can GMH family members!
Was your "mutant's" mutation a "sexy" mutation, or was it something actually grotesque? (Did people even know this was a mutation?)
Did your mundane ever expect the Krathi to burn his/her bits off? Did your mundane have prejudices against magick at all? When you say everyone knew they were a couple and played accordingly, did they treat both of you like crap?
People will kank ANYTHING if they like that character's emoting enough. :P Sadly, looks and smells don't transmit over a text medium very well.
Quote from: Nyr on June 07, 2012, 12:29:00 PM
Did your GMH family member understand that this was a problem/or could be an issue? Overall that's not really a big deal, though. Templars can be dumb, and so can GMH family members!
Nope, not a clue. But she didn't mingle social classes, she was just a rich commoner so anything her status was fine to mingle with. She was a devout Nakki though and the higher templars at the time seem to have had a problem with the relationship.
Quote from: Nyr on June 07, 2012, 12:29:00 PM
Was your "mutant's" mutation a "sexy" mutation, or was it something actually grotesque? (Did people even know this was a mutation?)
If you consider a silver-skinned albino constantly cloaked and covered from head to toe sexy, then sure! Nothing gross though. I had a Tuluki bard that was grotesquely, and I mean fucking nasty scarred from head to toe and SHE got lots of 屌.
Quote from: Nyr on June 07, 2012, 12:29:00 PM
Did your mundane ever expect the Krathi to burn his/her bits off? Did your mundane have prejudices against magick at all? When you say everyone knew they were a couple and played accordingly, did they treat both of you like crap?
No, she didn't. Didn't even cross her mind that he might be dangerous. Everyone else yes, him no. Most said shit behind their back (yay listen!) - This Krathi was also the bodyguard to the Nenyuk Agent at the time. Quite a few people were open about how wrong she was and her Byn-mates even plotted to kill her.
/me cackles insanely!
Quote from: ShaLeah on June 07, 2012, 11:35:34 AM
I played a GMH family member that got a Templar in trouble for falling stupidly, devotedly in love with her and wanting to claim the bastard she was carrying. She had big ass scary templar in charge (NPC) berating her how she ruined his career. He ended up trying to prove his loyalty to the city and did a suicide run against a filthy sorceror.
Seems like the GMH should have been on you about that, too - moreso than the Templarate.... Political neutrality and all... Such a thing would give Tuluk an excuse to hammer the House's northern branch hard...
Anyway, I prefer to have the least amount of mudsex possible, unless there are IC concerns/interests to the contrary.
lol
Maybe people would be less tempted to do it if we replaced the term 'mudsex' with the term 'mudbutt'..
ooc Consent to some good ol' fashioned mudbutt?
Huh.. No thanks :-X
Quote from: ShaLeah on June 07, 2012, 12:44:19 PM
Quote from: Nyr on June 07, 2012, 12:29:00 PM
Did your GMH family member understand that this was a problem/or could be an issue? Overall that's not really a big deal, though. Templars can be dumb, and so can GMH family members!
Nope, not a clue. But she didn't mingle social classes, she was just a rich commoner so anything her status was fine to mingle with. She was a devout Nakki though and the higher templars at the time seem to have had a problem with the relationship.
Mingle?
You keep using that word; I don't think it means what you think it means... :)
(I am pretty sure sex is more serious than mingling)
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Quote from: Nyr on June 07, 2012, 12:29:00 PM
Was your "mutant's" mutation a "sexy" mutation, or was it something actually grotesque? (Did people even know this was a mutation?)
If you consider a silver-skinned albino constantly cloaked and covered from head to toe sexy, then sure!
Well, to be fair, your PC did not look like an albino. It looked like someone with silver skin. That's not albinism, that's a mutation that is mild at best, particularly when it's covered in the helpfiles for humans (skin tones in the faint blues or greys--silver is pretty close). So overall that's unsurprising that your mutant was successful at being a whore: it's likely no one realized this was a mutation.
QuoteThis Krathi was also the bodyguard to the Nenyuk Agent at the time.
How things change. Krathis can't even get a good job working for Nenyuk anymore!
Quote from: Nyr on June 07, 2012, 01:25:30 PM
Mingle?
You keep using that word; I don't think it means what you think it means... :)
(I am pretty sure sex is more serious than mingling)
(ahem, I meant mingling bodily fluids) [I can hear people squirm from here! w00t!]
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Well, to be fair, your PC did not look like an albino. It looked like someone with silver skin. That's not albinism, that's a mutation that is mild at best, particularly when it's covered in the helpfiles for humans (skin tones in the faint blues or greys--silver is pretty close). So overall that's unsurprising that your mutant was successful at being a whore: it's likely no one realized this was a mutation.
Her description was rather poetic (done on purpose to detract from the mutation), but doesn't take away from the fact that the bitch was silver! She was roleplayed with the same aversion to the Sun as an albino, blistering and everything if she was under it at all. There was also at least 3 PCs who turned up their noses at her whoring and gave flack at the time, called her a northern mutant. You're right though, she wasn't repulsive and doesn't count. I hate when you're right.
QuoteHow things change. Krathis can't even get a good job working for Nenyuk anymore!
They would be if
I were playing a Nenyuk (and it weren't closed). She'd have her chin up defiantly all the way to assassination too!
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Quote from: bcw81 on June 06, 2012, 09:19:36 PM
Apparently staff watch me all the time. :c
Quote from: Account NotesSpotted sexing up REDACTED, REDACTED half elf. Not sure anyone knows yet.
On the bright side, at least they didn't join in? During a very compromising but not-yet-explicit scene on another game, with two characters in an IC-stigmatized relationship in a private room, one of the staff swung by, watched for a while, and decided to animate up a vNPC.
Awkward. Hilarious, but awkward.
This has totally happened to me. In Arm. With a noble. Several times. Plus several other times when I got sent fun echos during and.... Er.... After. Yay for Zalanthas STDs!! Annoying, but funny.
Er, to clairfy, the vNPC INTERUPTED the sexy time, they didn't JOIN IN.
Man. Gotta love balconies and bored Staff.
A young girl gazes up at the balcony, eyes going wide.
An old man and several of the crowd cheer.
With me the amount of time I spend mudsexing tends to depend on my PC. I've had PC's that spent a good deal of time focused on sex but I've also played pc's that have gone the other way. In fact I had a long lived Oash aide that made it up to Adviser who had a three bastards by a Lord Heir and we ALWAYS faded. I don't think it distracted from our relationship at all. I just try to play my char like a real person. Also my mudsexing has a direct correlation to how busy my PC is. If I'm in a leadership role I tend to fade just to spend time doing clan related stuff. I agree with Yam and Rouge though...I really don't think there is a problem here unless consent is being ignored or a player is playing unrealistically, at which point it should be reported to staff.
Some people on the GDB definitely are. I'm amused by the position that some times arises in discussions:
Talk about subject X. (mud sex, gicking, undesirables, some sort of 'twinking' as identified by a person or subset of posters, and so on)
Post 1: Is subject x happening too much?
Post 2: I don't do subject x, so I'm superior.
Post 3: I do subject x, and it isn't a bad thing.
Post 4: (X-D) You're not right about subject x, besides, I could do it 4x better in a third of the time, noobs.
Post 5: (my post) Why even bother talking about subject x?
Seriously, unless its affecting you and your pc, who cares? Take individual complaints to the complaints/questions request tool. Let people play how they want to play.
For a more direct contribution to the thread:
I've played loyal mates, manwhores who I hoped would get unholy vengence rained down on them, and celibate types. Some faded, some didn't, and in the end, I didn't really care either way.
Its a personal choice from person to person, pc to pc, so, just leave it at that.
Expensive sex.
In Zalanthas, naked mud wrestling is the purview of only the swankiest of Great Houses.
i wish this thread would just die already.
Quote from: Harmless on June 07, 2012, 07:41:29 PM
i wish this thread would just die already.
This.
I think that people playing characters that are intimate and love one another is awesome. I think players who turn Arm into their own Skinemax channel are doing it wrong.
three words: ginka sauce wrestling.
okay, one more word: Danu. <3
Quote from: Delirium on June 07, 2012, 11:02:26 PM
three words: ginka sauce wrestling.
okay, one more word: Danu. <3
My character was the CAUSE of that ginka sauce :)
I think I remember that... I do remember Danu wanting my character to try some because he'd just invented it or something like that.
That feels like ages ago, man. Good times. Loved that character! He was pretty much the closest thing Zalanthas ever had to a mad scientist.
Quote from: Delirium on June 07, 2012, 11:31:27 PM
I think I remember that... I do remember Danu wanting my character to try some because he'd just invented it or something like that.
That feels like ages ago, man. Good times. Loved that character! He was pretty much the closest thing Zalanthas ever had to a mad scientist.
Yessssssssss!!! It was my MUTANT (even though Nyr doesn't count it as mutation) whore that was the inspiration for that. He was a hot mess. First character too.
Back to the regularly scheduled programming!
/derail
(although he sure was a you know what-er)
Quote from: Cerelum on June 07, 2012, 08:51:54 PM
I think that people playing characters that are intimate and love one another is awesome. I think players who turn Arm into their own Skinemax channel are doing it wrong.
About sums of my opinion on the matter. I'm all for developing romantic interests because it helps really flesh out a character and make them feel more alive. It also provides some of the more substantial changes to a PC's life. Logging in just to textually sex someone up for a couple hours, though, in my opinion - Is unproductive and not adding very much to the game, itself.
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Quote from: Cerelum on June 07, 2012, 08:51:54 PM
I think that people playing characters that are intimate and love one another is awesome. I think players who turn Arm into their own Skinemax channel are doing it wrong.
About sums of my opinion on the matter. I'm all for developing romantic interests because it helps really flesh out a character and make them feel more alive. It also provides some of the more substantial changes to a PC's life. Logging in just to textually sex someone up for a couple hours, though, in my opinion - Is unproductive and not adding very much to the game, itself.
I honestly think mudsex should be banned because it -doesn't- add anything to the game. Should be in the rules you must FTB for all sexual situations.
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Quote from: Gunnerblaster on June 08, 2012, 01:05:30 AM
Quote from: Cerelum on June 07, 2012, 08:51:54 PM
I think that people playing characters that are intimate and love one another is awesome. I think players who turn Arm into their own Skinemax channel are doing it wrong.
About sums of my opinion on the matter. I'm all for developing romantic interests because it helps really flesh out a character and make them feel more alive. It also provides some of the more substantial changes to a PC's life. Logging in just to textually sex someone up for a couple hours, though, in my opinion - Is unproductive and not adding very much to the game, itself.
I honestly think mudsex should be banned because it -doesn't- add anything to the game. Should be in the rules you must FTB for all sexual situations.
:D Hahhaha, that's funny.
We expect adult players to be mature enough to be able to handle adult situations in a textual form. The act of roleplaying out a sexual situation in-game (with or without a fade-to-black) can lead to other roleplayed scenarios involving murder, corruption, betrayal, and fleas.
It's kind of sad, but sexual encounters with my PCs usually end up with the other player completely disconnecting from mine afterward. I suspect it is because I choose to fade. There's been a couple where that isn't the case and my PC (and theirs) is looking for something more substantial (relationship-wise, not uh... sex emote-wise), but I dunno....
I feel so used.
I'm not always about RPing "meaningful" relationships or whatever and some of my characters do have casual sex... but it's just fades. Then the other party won't even interact with my PC--or pretend my PC doesn't exist, kind of like she's suddenly a male dwarf. I guess now I know what it feels like to be a typical high school girl.... I'm not saying these PCs "roleplay ignoring my PC", I'm saying they literally ignore me as a player.
That's my primary problem with mudsex--I feel like it encourages that sort of behavior.
What a mindfuck.
:'(
Quote from: Nyr on June 08, 2012, 08:30:29 AM
We expect adult players to be mature enough to be able to handle adult situations in a textual form. The act of roleplaying out a sexual situation in-game (with or without a fade-to-black) can lead to other roleplayed scenarios involving murder, corruption, betrayal, and fleas.
This is the only reason Nyr wants sex to be in game, so he can give out various STDs.
Quote from: Cerelum on June 08, 2012, 11:14:29 AM
Quote from: Nyr on June 08, 2012, 08:30:29 AM
We expect adult players to be mature enough to be able to handle adult situations in a textual form. The act of roleplaying out a sexual situation in-game (with or without a fade-to-black) can lead to other roleplayed scenarios involving murder, corruption, betrayal, and fleas.
This is the only reason Nyr wants sex to be in game, so he can give out various STDs.
Agreed. :-D
<3 Nyr.
I'm honestly suprised this has reached page six before it was locked.
Quote from: bcw81 on June 08, 2012, 12:06:32 PM
I'm honestly suprised this has reached page six before it was locked.
[tongue in cheek]
The fact that we are on page 6 tells me that the answer to
Are people too focused on Mudsex? is probably
yes.
[/tongue in cheek]
Use of the word "too" in this question is clearly a YMMV
YP!.
(Your mileage may vary,
you pervert!) ;D
Quote from: Morrolan on June 08, 2012, 12:25:32 PM
Quote from: bcw81 on June 08, 2012, 12:06:32 PM
I'm honestly suprised this has reached page six before it was locked.
[tongue in cheek]
The fact that we are on page 6 tells me that the answer to Are people too focused on Mudsex? is probably yes.
[/tongue in cheek]
Use of the word "too" in this question is clearly a YMMVYP!.
(Your mileage may vary, you pervert!) ;D
I lol'ed.
It's funny to see perceived trends. Two or three pcs will do something loudly, like a few half-elves being uppity or a couple of rogue mages making trouble in a region. And what do you know...suddenly, it's an epidemic, according to popular perception.
Note that last part for emphasis.
So, we'll have to play common sense Armageddon style now. Some rules to live by, both as player and character alike:
1) Sex sells. It has an ulterior motive.
2) Not every seductress is someone typing one-handed ooc. See #1 on the ulterior motives.
3) Did two people appear to be leaving a room to have sex? Are you sure? Sucker! Few things are ever what you perceive in betrayal and politics...not even in our egalitarian real world.
4) Conversely, did two people appear to be leaving a room to do something other than have sex? Hmm...
5) I'll believe a bunch of people are bumping uglies when you can provide a series of logs to the staff taking place in the span of an hour where over half the people logged in during a peak time were, in the space of one hour, having sex. Note that you have to personally witness this. Otherwise, you're perceiving a false trend.
Western civilization is such a great society. Movies with horrific violence will net a PG-13 rating in the states, but a single flash of breasts or a minor sexual situation nets an R rating. This same repression is evident in how we perceive Armageddon, I've noticed. Few topics come up as often as sex in the game. Sex has its place in the game, just as it does in the mindsets of any human being. The approach to sex should tell you about the character, not the player. It's funny, it's time-consuming, it's a tool, it's an ulterior motive to other facets of rp. But does anyone get to claim it's done too much? Not really. You might as well pass judgement on too much violence, murder, betrayal, humans, moons in the sky, etc. It is on a level that's that silly, frankly.
In direct address to the OP: No, no one's having too much sex. If you think ooc might be coming into it for one reason or another, either try to inject an ic solution to be the change you want to see or...let the staff know. But if, pc after pc, you feel people are constantly hitting on you, then I have to agree with Boog: You are the common denominator. There is something you are inadvertently attracting people with in regards to your desc and/or emotes.
Some laws of attraction:
1) Some women like scars. Even the b'fugly scars. Don't assume it's a turnoff.
2) If you think weird skin tone is ugly, you need to re-evaluate. Silver is skin is sexy. Sorry, Sha. It is.
3) An ugly desc written in poetic prose is not ugly.
4) An ugly desc written using flowery words is also not ugly.
5) If everyone is covered in shit, your shit-covered pc can still be an f-me because no one knows the difference.
6) Your outlandish mutation can still be an affectation or a fetish. Winged women, men with prehensile tails, a tongue that can lick your own eyebrows, etc. Yeah, your mutation is not ugly, it's exotic.
7) Your emotes alone can make you sexy. S/he who writes well, probably fucks well too.
8) Good old fashioned flirtation is rp. Don't look down on it. Even enemies sometimes entertain some classic sexual tension.
I'll preface my own anecdotal accounts as saying that anecdotes alone mean nothing and should never be taken as the overall state of the game. That said, my own pc's have had mudsex once in about 7 rl years. It was a business partner looking to sweeten the deal. I played it out, it was amusing and entertaining. It was also time-consuming and I never saw the other pc again. Both of us were at a low station in general society, both humans, and didn't have to deal with social repercussions.
It's always possible that some players are obsessed with sex rp in the game. But that may also just be the lure of a serial killer or a pc suffering from nymphomania/satyriasis. Or they may just be trying to piss off society in general and provoke a reaction. But frankly, I don't think I've ever seen anything more obsessive than the gdb community in terms of sex in Armageddon. ;)
I do kinda wish there was a way to do coded STDs though... :'(
Ok, so...I now have this weird urge to infect Bast in game...
Whyever would you think that urge to be weird? >>
Quote from: Patuk on June 08, 2012, 10:40:11 PM
Whyever would you think that urge to be weird? >>
You don't think it's odd for me to want to make a pc to fuck another pc specifically for the gag of giving them an STD?
On second thought, that is pretty funny...
Quote from: Intrepid on June 08, 2012, 10:46:03 PM
Quote from: Patuk on June 08, 2012, 10:40:11 PM
Whyever would you think that urge to be weird? >>
You don't think it's odd for me to want to make a pc to fuck another pc specifically for the gag of giving them an STD?
On second thought, that is pretty funny...
^ That, basically. You're never, ever the only one to have the most random thoughts imaginable.
Quote from: Intrepid on June 08, 2012, 03:21:29 PM
2) Not every seductress is someone typing one-handed ooc. See #1 on the ulterior motives.
3) Did two people appear to be leaving a room to have sex? Are you sure? Sucker! Few things are ever what you perceive in betrayal and politics...not even in our egalitarian real world.
4) Conversely, did two people appear to be leaving a room to do something other than have sex? Hmm...
Let's respect the possibility that the people who bring up the topic of mudsex MIGHT know what they are talking about, and don't just assume things. It's very possible they just -are- that good at sneaking. And -are- seeing silky aides kanking mages for 6 RL hours straight. (Now this is an example I made up! No one specifically mentioned it.)
I think genuinely accusing others of making up vaguely assumed points they bring up for discussion is as unfair as assuming that every mudsexer plays one-handed.
Quote from: Intrepid on June 08, 2012, 10:46:03 PM
Quote from: Patuk on June 08, 2012, 10:40:11 PM
Whyever would you think that urge to be weird? >>
You don't think it's odd for me to want to make a pc to fuck another pc specifically for the gag of giving them an STD?
On second thought, that is pretty funny...
Hey if my pcs dumb ass decides to be stupid about who she kanks she is getting whats coming to her. There better be a hem in there if its an got bumps or something though ;D
Quote from: Akaramu on June 09, 2012, 02:14:41 AM
Let's respect the possibility that the people who bring up the topic of mudsex MIGHT know what they are talking about, and don't just assume things. It's very possible they just -are- that good at sneaking. And -are- seeing silky aides kanking mages for 6 RL hours straight. (Now this is an example I made up! No one specifically mentioned it.)
Possibility? Sure. Certainty? Oh hell no!
I mean, for Christ's sake--there's a meme in this community about cyclical complaining and certain obsessive topics that continue to arise. Without personal experience or concrete proof, assuming the validity of all of these claims players wage against one another is actually a fairly grave disservice. Anecdotal experiences do not a reality make, and if I took the bait of even half of these broad generalizations as gospel truth, it would utterly kill my enjoyment of this unholy addiction I call Armageddon.
Let's just keep it at this: I have reasonable doubt based on numerous personal experiences as to the validity of claims made to blow off steam about one's fellow player and their choice of decisions and portrayals.
I've seen a lot of colorful claims by players that were dashed by the staff over the 13+ years (I lost the exact count, sue me) that I've played. It made discussions on Isca rather interesting, but you have take everything said with a grain of salt. Or a chunk in some cases.
Quote from: Intrepid on June 09, 2012, 02:54:10 AM
Let's just keep it at this: I have reasonable doubt based on numerous personal experiences as to the validity of claims made to blow off steam about one's fellow player and their choice of decisions and portrayals.
I've seen a lot of colorful claims by players that were dashed by the staff over the 13+ years (I lost the exact count, sue me) that I've played. It made discussions on Isca rather interesting, but you have take everything said with a grain of salt. Or a chunk in some cases.
Everyone has personal experiences over so and so many years and you can't really say what the intentions of a character ingame, or a player creating a discussion thread on the forums are unless you're on staff and they sent you a request / report about it. In the end, this is a discussion board and people have opinions, all respectfully voiced opinions should be respected and not immediately brushed off with assumptions.
How is attacking players who partake in a discussion any better than attacking the roleplay of some as personally perceived ingame? If people don't like a particular discussion, it's easy enough to ignore. Just don't look at the thread, problem solved. :) Complaining about discussions on a discussion forum is about as fruitful and necessary as complaining about old people in a retirement home.
Complaining? Hardly. I find the usual circulation of opinions highly entertaining, if not occasionally disturbing. However, I do feel beholden to inject a dose of plausible deniability and reasonable doubt into what often comes down to finger-pointing. If you want to consider that an attack, you're welcome to. Myself, I consider it a sanity check.
As for not looking at a thread, I don't believe in burying one's head in the sand. ;)
A problem unaddressed remains a problem. What generally occurs is a series of attack/defense scenarios, rather than the overall trend being pointed out in another opinion. I'd prefer to do the latter and offer an alternative, overarching opinion. Given some of the things stated on the gdb, I'm sure anything I say at this point is tame in comparison. Besides, this community has always been vocal. If someone really has a problem with me, I'm sure they'll discuss it with me in private messages.
Edited to add: Just to absolutely clear: If anyone really is offended by my rants about sex, you are invited to pm me. Really. It is an amusing topic for me, not anything I actually get upset about. And I guess I don't take the Arm community very seriously either because you guys seem off-the-wall and amusing yourselves.
Quote from: Intrepid on June 09, 2012, 07:53:52 PM
Lots of stuff in various posts
I don't know you, won't claim to know you. But in the last few posts you've posted, it sounds like you're just being aggressive on the subject to get attention. If you don't care, then... don't care.
Also, I have said hundreds of times I think Mudsexers are stupid and playing the game for the wrong reason, but I will admit that the "function" of mudsex as a tool to advance roleplay and/or kill someone is understandable.
The roleplaying documentation often describes the social and relational customs of various clans and races. And I'm glad these customs are brought up in the docs, because social and sexual relationships are an essential part of any humanoid; indeed, sex is essential for the success of most living organisms more advanced than bacteria, fungi, etc.
It's up to players to decide how they decide to address their PC's sexuality: RPing it, tastefully avoiding it, fading on such scenes, or taking care of it virtually or offline (a lot of badass mercs I've met in game only briefly mention their forays with VNPCs when sexual topics are brought up). It's wrong to judge any of these approaches as problematic.
The only set rule the staff has concerning this stuff is the consent rule. It should always be obeyed and people should avoid consent grey areas as well. Discussing sexual topics right at the bar is generally lame, but it is fine to discuss such things privately in case there is some spy looking for dirt on someone. Sex in publicly accessible areas of the game is also lame. If you or your character is annoyed by some sex crazed idiots who are defying the standards for the clan or race, then feel free to plot against them or slander them in game.
Mudsex itself isn't a problem, but I do agree that some people are somewhat excessive with it, myself included. There should be adverse consequences for defying roleplaying standards for one's race or clan. Half-elf lovers should be slapped. People should also RP having STDs more often. A long time ago on Shadows of Isildur my PC got hit with a coded STD once, and it was hilarious. Maybe we should introduce some STD code to appease the anti-mudsex curmudgeons :D
I'm a forum noob and accidentally double posted, haah
It's not against the rules.
Quote from: Cerelum on June 09, 2012, 09:32:13 PM
I don't know you, won't claim to know you. But in the last few posts you've posted, it sounds like you're just being aggressive on the subject to get attention. If you don't care, then... don't care.
I don't think I can be more aggressive than the posters who consistently bring up this topic, frankly. I'm probably coming across as aggressive out of sheer disbelief that so many of you keep fixating on this one issue. You are the ones obsessed with sex in the game, not the so-called mudsexers.
Quote from: Cerelum on June 09, 2012, 09:32:13 PM
Also, I have said hundreds of times I think Mudsexers are stupid and playing the game for the wrong reason, but I will admit that the "function" of mudsex as a tool to advance roleplay and/or kill someone is understandable.
If you can make enough of a distinction between sex as a tool and sex just for the sake of it, why not just assume the ulterior motive? How do you know it's not just an rp aid every time you've seen it? Who are you to even make that claim for the rest of the playerbase?
To be entirely honest, since I've been back playing I haven't heard about mudsex IN the game from a character's perspective, just on the boards. I just love telling people how stupid I think it is. Totally honesty there.
Well, that's why I poke fun at it. My own Arm experience almost never resembles the claims being made on the gdb, and I have seen instances of naysay being countered just enough that I look at all of these claims with a dose of skepticism. I think more people would if they weren't automatically placed on the defensive by the initial topic, but well...that would be assuming, wouldn't it?
I remember a thread about mudsex that spiraled on and on last year (http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,41135.0.html) and the year before that. (http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,40004.0.html) People are very vocal about it, and nothing has changed. I guess mudsex is part of the cycle now.
Ultimately, our community is awesome, whether you mudsex or not. I personally believe that relations in game adds to the world and the immersion. I also believe no one plays exclusively for mudsex. Will people still flirt with your lithe, grungy one-eyed rinther gemmer? Yes. Will sex be a part of the game world until there is a major policy change? Likely. If people are breaking character or documentation to mudsex, then ideally take it up in game or send in a player complaint if it is something like a Tuluki noble and a commoner.
And honestly, if you want to avoid romantic roleplay, it's not that hard to do.
The grungy, lipless dwarven female has arrived from the north, smeling like poopy.
The grungy, lipless dwarven female says, in sirihish:
"okay who wants to musex me now"
Yeah, I don't think anyone plays just for mudsex either. There are far more convenient corners of the internet for that. Further, I don't think anyone but the collective staff can really enough of a player demographic to make claims of "too much" of any activity or character type. The thing about gossip and personal accounts is that they almost always end up exaggerated and twisted.
I find our community entertaining, but I question any claim made of the majority/many of the playerbase by a player. I think the demographics a staffmember can provide would paint a much different portrait of the game than what posters are trying to illustrate for us.
This thread is pretty hilarious. I guess people will play games for whatever it is they want to get out of it...but, and maybe I am super ignorant and naive, but I really haven't been exposed to that much sex-crazedness in Arm. Probably less than in real life, less guys hanging around in bars looking for a shag, less couply couples making out in corners. More death, sweat, grime and politics.
So I'm pretty ok with the way things are. I've tended to have characters that for whatever reason avoid sexual romantic encounters with other PCs or I just FTB. My experience with other players is that most seem to do it the same way. We're all older now...we get laid IRL. :p
I've never understood why this topic is such a big deal on the boards. It certainly isn't in-game.
Having played several whore characters, I can attest that people who are actually playing just don't care. They treat whoring as the normal profession it is, and sex as the casual act many Zalanthans view it to be. My experience was that about as many people faded as did not, maybe a little more on the latter side. I made coin and frequently found myself hired to spy or otherwise getting tangled up in plots of various kinds.
Folks can say that sexual encounters offer nothing to the game world, but my experience - having played PCs focused on sex as a means of survival - is that it's not so. If we can celebrate people/monsters tearing each other to shreds, we can stand a little bit of sex in so gritty a setting.
There are a few players who seem to take a very strongly sex focused approach with pretty much every character that they play. It's certainly not against the rules and if they enjoy those roles so much, by all means, but I personally have more respect for roleplayers who mix their game up a little.
Nothing really wrong with mudsex, either, BUT it does take PCs away from where they can be approached and interacted with if they hole themselves up in a locked room for a large portion of their total playtime. It can be frustrating especially for new players if they are looking for interaction, there's 40 people logged in, and they can never find anyone in taverns for several hours. The "does PC to PC interaction happen" thread popped up for a reason, certainly not only because of mudsex, but I suspect the topics are at least somewhat related. ;)
I have never had trouble finding players because they were too busy mudfucking. That has to be imagined.
Quote from: Akaramu on June 11, 2012, 01:32:30 AM
Nothing really wrong with mudsex, either, BUT it does take PCs away from where they can be approached and interacted with if they hole themselves up in a locked room for a large portion of their total playtime.
It takes two to mudsex. Thus; interaction.
Quote from: RogueGunslinger on June 11, 2012, 01:51:05 AM
Quote from: Akaramu on June 11, 2012, 01:32:30 AM
Nothing really wrong with mudsex, either, BUT it does take PCs away from where they can be approached and interacted with if they hole themselves up in a locked room for a large portion of their total playtime.
It takes two to mudsex. Thus; interaction.
That doesn't help the newbie who can't find anyone outside of locked apartments / spamcrafting in clan compounds / hunting in the wilderness and thinks this MUD is only played by NPCs!
I know. There's really enough enough MUDsex in the taverns.
What does that have to do with mudsex? If someone can't be found for interaction they can't be found. You're talking about a player numbers problem. Or a player density problem.
Just because there's no one around doesn't mean they're all fucking. And even if they were it's not their job to entertain every noobie who joins the game. They play for their own reasons, just like anybody else.
Someone told you about the Troll RGS GDB game, didn't they? Damn it I'm so susceptible.
According to another thread, some people aren't having mudsex at all. They are just looking into taverns and deciding people aren't worth interacting with.
Yay! Close call but crisis averted, everyone in the mud is still pure and righteous, we might not need to ban mudsex at all. :D
I wonder if it is group hug time yet? :-*
That's gross assumption on your part, Akaramu. I can already tell you that I don't play many tavern-sitters, so I am one of those players you see on your who list that you may never cross paths with if I'm on the fringes of the Known World. Am I mudsexing? Not often, no.
There are also still iso-clans to account for, wanderering indies and antisocial pcs. You can't just point, guess and say, "They must fucking," because you have no proof.
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(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/21847759.jpg)
See...i was thinking the same thing but i didn't have the balls to go there, Rogue. :P
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Don't worry, folks. If we see people out there mudsexing to the detriment of their role, we'll give them a spank...err...we'll punish...err...we will take action as deemed appropriate.
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