Suggestion: Make it so you earn an extra reroll/reroll undo every 10 days played

[AKawaiiBear]

Reward longevity over RNG and twinks willing to suicide for good rolls pls

[Patuk]

Longevity already comes with so many rewards that if anything, I'd prefer people die sooner, not later.

[Kavrick]

Or alternatively step into the modern age and remove RNG from character creation like nearly every current day roleplaying game.

[MarshallDFX]

Stats constantly being re-rolled until you're amazing seems weird to me. Feels like a fixed point assignment system is a more natural option if we wanted to abandon RNG.

I don't personally mind the RNG, but it does cater to a throwaway, roll with it mindset.

[Windstorm]

10 days played is a lot but I do feel like this would result in people sitting around idling for their tri-monthly reroll! Hilariously, it would sometimes wind up with people going from mega strong to unable to wear their armor.

I kind of like this idea just for that, though. In fact, make the reroll mandatory. Major offscreen life event every 10 days played results in new stats.

It's your birthday! You have just turned 24.
You can now hold no more than four limes.

[FantasyWriter]

Random rolls would be way OOC for a developed character, IMO.

Alternate suggestion: Be able to trade one stat point for another per every six RL months if if you have played for 10 days played to reflect what your character has been doing over the past three IG years.

Been lifting weights and training every day and getting drunk all night -1 wisdom +1 str or agil.

Former labor slave who is now a desert wanderer? -1 str +1 end

Retired soldier who has shifted to being a Templar's advisor? -1 end +1 wis

[Pariah]

I don't think some pre-determined date range is the right way to do it.  But I do think it should be acceptable that if you play Amos the hunter, who starts out getting his ass kicked by chalton and eventually skills up to being able to solo Salt Worms, he should be able to get a stat bump from muscle memory and all that.  The fact that your stats are set in stone always bothered me.

I've seen staff argue in the past that they don't want to have folks asking for increases because people will game the system... Well people game the system no matter what you do, just make it harder to abuse I guess, but to be like, "YOU WILL NEVER GET A PLUS TO STATS." feels odd to me.

[Kavrick]

I don't think some pre-determined date range is the right way to do it.  But I do think it should be acceptable that if you play Amos the hunter, who starts out getting his ass kicked by chalton and eventually skills up to being able to solo Salt Worms, he should be able to get a stat bump from muscle memory and all that.  The fact that your stats are set in stone always bothered me.

I'd honestly prefer it if everyone started with the same stats except from racial differences and then have your stats change as you level up different skills, would be more immersive. Only issue would be wisdom, as that's basically leveling speed.

[Abaddon]

Random rolls would be way OOC for a developed character, IMO.

Alternate suggestion: Be able to trade one stat point for another per every six RL months if if you have played for 10 days played to reflect what your character has been doing over the past three IG years.

Been lifting weights and training every day and getting drunk all night -1 wisdom +1 str or agil.

Former labor slave who is now a desert wanderer? -1 str +1 end

Retired soldier who has shifted to being a Templar's advisor? -1 end +1 wis

Every six RL months? Isn't that the scope of an entire Season? You're telling me I'd need to spend the entire Season on one character just to get +1 to my strength?

Just make a train-by-skilling or point-buy system like an actually normal RPG. I'm begging you guys.

[eska]

If we are not gonna change the game mechanics, skills will always be more important than stats. You can still craft master items or spot a goudra with poor wisdom as long as you have the correspondent skills.
The longer the playing time, the lesser importance of the stats you have. I had a weak character with below average strength who could kill scrabs after 20 days of playing time.
Thus:

Random rolls would be way OOC for a developed character, IMO.

[Patuk]

Random rolls would be way OOC for a developed character, IMO.

Alternate suggestion: Be able to trade one stat point for another per every six RL months if if you have played for 10 days played to reflect what your character has been doing over the past three IG years.

Been lifting weights and training every day and getting drunk all night -1 wisdom +1 str or agil.

Former labor slave who is now a desert wanderer? -1 str +1 end

Retired soldier who has shifted to being a Templar's advisor? -1 end +1 wis

Every six RL months? Isn't that the scope of an entire Season? You're telling me I'd need to spend the entire Season on one character just to get +1 to my strength?

Just make a train-by-skilling or point-buy system like an actually normal RPG. I'm begging you guys.

No, the first season's length is apparently slated to be three years.

I'm with you on the point buy thing though. Absolutely.

[Kavrick]

I'm with you on the point buy thing though. Absolutely.

It's kinda a shame that despite most people wanting some sort of array or point-buy system, it's not really going to happen unless the developers want it. Random stats is the most unsavory part of Armaggedon, and I really don't think there's any decent justification in it when pretty much every other modern rpg has stopped using random stats years ago.

[Pariah]

To get any type of large change, you need to get some member of staff to want it too, then hope they can convince Halaster, Brokkr or Usiku that it has merit enough to do it.

Shit rolls downhill but takes someone with enough oomph to get it to the top of the hill first to even be considered.

[AKawaiiBear]

rewriting the stat system from the ground up to be point-buy would be a herculean task since so many things depend on it
adding more rerolls would be quite simple to do since the reroll code is already done, which is why i suggested it, it's something someone could feasibly do in a few hours

i think everyone (even staff) wants a point buy system but god have mercy on the poor soul who actually tries to make it happen on that ancient spaghetti code

[Kavrick]

i think everyone (even staff) wants a point buy system but god have mercy on the poor soul who actually tries to make it happen on that ancient spaghetti code

The only person I've seen comment about it was halaster and he seemed pretty against the idea. I don't really know what the code looks like so it's hard to comment, but I've also seen an entire codebase written during the time Armageddon was down so it's a little hard to believe sometimes? Like stat allocation during character creation really shouldn't be connected to too many systems based on what code knowledge I do have of similar games.

[Pariah]

So below is a super rudimentary learn by doing with the stats of strength, wisdom, endurance and agility in Javascript.

So that whole bit of code, which I'm sure is 500X less than the rats nest that is arm, would have to be changed based on if stats or were flexible in how they are given.

Changing one thing would break another and cause you to have to re-write the whole thing.

So changing the system of stats would essentially be a total rewrite, then after you got stats done, you'd have to find everything that pulled from that old code of stats that no longer existed and fix those.  Let's say that every weapon skill, every offense/defense skill and magick all pull off the stats basics, that's basically re-writing the whole game when it's all said and done.

So that's why I'm not really pro rewrite or add point system, but I am pro improve stats throughout play, because if you have 4 in agility and now you change it to 5 in agility, that in itself doesn't break the code as it currently works.  But changing the whole system would require an arduous amount of work.

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import java.util.HashMap;
import java.util.Map;
import java.util.Random;
import java.util.Timer;
import java.util.TimerTask;

// Skill class representing individual skills
class Skill {
    private String name;
    private int level;
    private int cooldown;
    private boolean isOnCooldown;

    public Skill(String name) {
        this.name = name;
        this.level = 1;
        this.cooldown = 0;
        this.isOnCooldown = false;
    }

    public String getName() {
        return name;
    }

    public int getLevel() {
        return level;
    }

    public int getCooldown() {
        return cooldown;
    }

    public boolean isOnCooldown() {
        return isOnCooldown;
    }

    public void levelUp() {
        level++;
        System.out.println(name + " has leveled up to " + level);
    }

    public void startCooldown(int cooldownTime) {
        isOnCooldown = true;
        Timer cooldownTimer = new Timer();
        cooldownTimer.schedule(new TimerTask() {
            @Override
            public void run() {
                isOnCooldown = false;
                cooldownTimer.cancel();
            }
        }, cooldownTime * 1000); // Convert cooldown to milliseconds
        System.out.println(name + " is now on cooldown for " + cooldownTime + " seconds");
    }
}

// Player class representing a player in the game
class Player {
    private String name;
    private int strength;
    private int wisdom;
    private int agility;
    private int endurance;
    private Map<String, Skill> skills;

    public Player(String name, int strength, int wisdom, int agility, int endurance) {
        this.name = name;
        this.strength = strength;
        this.wisdom = wisdom;
        this.agility = agility;
        this.endurance = endurance;
        this.skills = new HashMap<>();
    }

    // Method to roll stats randomly
    private int rollStat() {
        Random random = new Random();
        return random.nextInt(5) + 1; // Generating random number between 1 to 5
    }

    // Method to learn a new skill
    public void learnSkill(String skillName) {
        Skill skill = new Skill(skillName);
        skills.put(skillName, skill);
        System.out.println(name + " has learned " + skillName);
    }

    // Method to improve a skill through learning by doing
    public void improveSkill(String skillName) {
        Skill skill = skills.get(skillName);
        if (skill != null) {
            int roll = rollStat(); // Roll for skill improvement
            if (roll <= wisdom - (5 - skill.getLevel())) {
                skill.levelUp();
            } else {
                System.out.println(name + " failed to improve " + skillName);
            }
        } else {
            System.out.println(name + " does not have the skill " + skillName);
        }
    }

    // Method to use a skill
    public void useSkill(String skillName) {
        Skill skill = skills.get(skillName);
        if (skill != null && !skill.isOnCooldown()) {
            int cooldownTime = (wisdom * 3 * 60) + ((5 - wisdom) * 10 * 60); // Cooldown calculation based on wisdom
            skill.startCooldown(cooldownTime);
        } else if (skill != null && skill.isOnCooldown()) {
            System.out.println(name + "'s " + skillName + " is still on cooldown");
        } else {
            System.out.println(name + " does not have the skill " + skillName);
        }
    }

    // Getters for player attributes
    public String getName() {
        return name;
    }

    public int getStrength() {
        return strength;
    }

    public int getWisdom() {
        return wisdom;
    }

    public int getAgility() {
        return agility;
    }

    public int getEndurance() {
        return endurance;
    }
}

public class MUDGame {
    public static void main(String[] args) {
        // Roll stats for the player
        Random random = new Random();
        int strength = random.nextInt(5) + 1;
        int wisdom = random.nextInt(5) + 1;
        int agility = random.nextInt(5) + 1;
        int endurance = random.nextInt(5) + 1;

        // Create a player with rolled stats
        Player player1 = new Player("Player1", strength, wisdom, agility, endurance);

        // Player1 learns some skills
        player1.learnSkill("Combat");
        player1.learnSkill("Magic");

        // Player1 improves their skills
        player1.improveSkill("Combat");
        player1.improveSkill("Magic");

        // Player1 tries to use skills
        player1.useSkill("Combat");
        player1.useSkill("Combat"); // Skill is still on cooldown
        player1.useSkill("NonExistentSkill"); // Trying to use a skill not learned
    }
}

[Kavrick]

So changing the system of stats would essentially be a total rewrite, then after you got stats done, you'd have to find everything that pulled from that old code of stats that no longer existed and fix those.  Let's say that every weapon skill, every offense/defense skill and magick all pull off the stats basics, that's basically re-writing the whole game when it's all said and done.

Oh I know a learning-by-doing stat system would be a much bigger task, but I feel like switching from random stats at creation to non-random stats at creation wouldn't be such a massive task.