Keeping it IC when possible

[Jihelu]

If you were gone a week or so and the sergeant gets mad because you ic excuse "I was on gate because the Lieutenant said so" I assume the sarge is going to understand that kind of means "Oh he was doing something irl"

Clan forums also have a "Absence board" as well for this certain thing and I've seen and like when people mentioned 'what they are doing', if it pertains to the clan.

[Hauwke]

ooc Gone pee break. Sorry. I have a severe bladder infection that runs in my family. My great aunt died from it. She had a dog named Lucinda and we had to take care of it, so I have to make sure I pee regularly or I could get worse and then someone would have to take care of my dog.

Two things,
First: Thats just snarky and horrible to say.
Secons: Ive never seen anything near that complicated, Ive once done: Gone, the kids are being butts. But thats about it.

[evilcabbage]

i think it was meant more as a joke.

[Hauwke]

Well dont I feel stupid now.

[Grapes]

I honestly think it's a dumb thing to spend time worrying about unless someone is OOCing all over the place about making babies and giving out their phone number. Sometimes I have to pee, I use gone and I usually type "gone with your mom" when I do. If you have any objections, take them up with your parents.

[Veselka]

I've been unfortunately chastised for completely OOC things, in game, before. I didn't really think it was worth sending a player complaint over. But I basically tried to give an IC excuse why I was somewhere I shouldn't have been after hours (because the game crashed), and it blew up in my face. I should have simply OOC'd that the game had crashed, and I had logged back in later rather than right after the game came back up.

Now I try to be explicit when it's an OOC reason I have to go, rather than an IC one. It just seems way too blurry/messy to rely on other players to play along with your IC excuses and understand that it is actually an OOC one?

IC Excuse = IC Explaination
OOC Excuse = OOC Explanation

Short and simple seems to work the best. 

[Is Friday]

If you ever hassle me IC for not playing much that means that I'm going to play even less or I'll forever write you off as a neckbeard chained to his computer. So don't be a dick.

[Grapes]

If you ever hassle me IC for not playing much that means that I'm going to play even less or I'll forever write you off as a neckbeard chained to his computer. So don't be a dick.

... can I sig this?

[Is Friday]

If you ever hassle me IC for not playing much that means that I'm going to play even less or I'll forever write you off as a neckbeard chained to his computer. So don't be a dick.

... can I sig this?

Of course.

[Kankfly]

I've been unfortunately chastised for completely OOC things, in game, before. I didn't really think it was worth sending a player complaint over. But I basically tried to give an IC excuse why I was somewhere I shouldn't have been after hours (because the game crashed), and it blew up in my face. I should have simply OOC'd that the game had crashed, and I had logged back in later rather than right after the game came back up.

Now I try to be explicit when it's an OOC reason I have to go, rather than an IC one. It just seems way too blurry/messy to rely on other players to play along with your IC excuses and understand that it is actually an OOC one?

IC Excuse = IC Explaination
OOC Excuse = OOC Explanation

Short and simple seems to work the best.

Sometimes this can happen. I'm sorry it happened to you. I remember years ago, when a noble wanted a serious talk with me but I really had to go, so my IC excuse was I'm too tired. She said, no, sit down. I went OOC to tell her that I really had to go, and everything was fine after. The 'no, sit down' was retconned and she dismissed my PC.

I think situations like this when the other player didn't get that there is an OOC factor going on in you having to log off, then clarifying it OOC should be ok. If the other PC takes your OOC-can't-be-here ICly, then that PC is an asshole, which promotes more conflict in the game. Yay!

[Nao]

If you ever hassle me IC for not playing much that means that I'm going to play even less or I'll forever write you off as a neckbeard chained to his computer. So don't be a dick.

When I tell somone ICly  that I can never seem to find them, I don't mean "Play more, asshole", I mean "My playtimes are way off peak, and don't seem to overlap with yours much". 

[Dahlia]

I've been unfortunately chastised for completely OOC things, in game, before. I didn't really think it was worth sending a player complaint over. But I basically tried to give an IC excuse why I was somewhere I shouldn't have been after hours (because the game crashed), and it blew up in my face. I should have simply OOC'd that the game had crashed, and I had logged back in later rather than right after the game came back up.

Now I try to be explicit when it's an OOC reason I have to go, rather than an IC one. It just seems way too blurry/messy to rely on other players to play along with your IC excuses and understand that it is actually an OOC one?

IC Excuse = IC Explaination
OOC Excuse = OOC Explanation

Short and simple seems to work the best.

Sometimes this can happen. I'm sorry it happened to you. I remember years ago, when a noble wanted a serious talk with me but I really had to go, so my IC excuse was I'm too tired. She said, no, sit down. I went OOC to tell her that I really had to go, and everything was fine after. The 'no, sit down' was retconned and she dismissed my PC.

I think situations like this when the other player didn't get that there is an OOC factor going on in you having to log off, then clarifying it OOC should be ok. If the other PC takes your OOC-can't-be-here ICly, then that PC is an asshole, which promotes more conflict in the game. Yay!

I have to agree with both of these posts.
And I think this should be the rule:
"IC Excuse = IC Explanation
OOC Excuse = OOC Explanation"

Honestly, I'm not sure I trust the player-base to get that 'gate duty' or a 'sick relative' are cues for "I had to go OOC".

[evilcabbage]

"gate duty" is WIDELY accepted as "ooc i have to go" in any crew with gates and guards.

[Lizzie]

I've used all kinds of IC excuses to log out. Here's some that worked:

• Gate duty
• The Lieutenant asked me to help teach another unit with (x) skill for the next few days.
• I'm covering for Amos over in the other unit for the next few days.
• I ate something really bad, I need to shit/puke and recover. Will be a few days.
• Your Lady Cousin Talia has tasked me with helping to train her new Whatsit.
• I promised to make five dozen arrows for the Master Agent's other hunting crew.

What (sadly) didn't work:
I'm going home, mom needs me.

Why it didn't work: People believed my PC's mom was another PC. I ended up having to go OOC to explain that she didn't exist codedly and that was what I'd be telling them when I needed to log out. It was very awkward.

[Jihelu]

If I was a HG my go to excuse as an unclanned would be Gate duty, in which case my HG virtually stands at the gate of allanak and does nothing all day cause that's what people do!

I'm also quite a fan of "I have mind boggling diarrhea I have to leave"

[Armaddict]

While I can't say for certain, do keep in mind I've seen some leaders do 'virtual punishments' that made IC sense when 'virtual duties' made you miss something that was supposedly required.

It doesn't punish the player.  But it does reflect the character not being there.  I've seen people flip out over that as well, even if it's the other side of the same coin.

Sooo...no, you should never be -punished- for RL taking precedence.  But don't jump...to conclusions...about how unjust some punishments are, either.

[Dar]

I remember me and one other dude were riding around and rode onto a pair of other people. Then SOMEHOW, I dont know how, I've ended up <kill dude> and had like 3-4 rounds of combat.
Then disengaged and I spent like 10 seconds trying to figure out how the heck do I explain the typo.

Eventually went, OOC I dont even know how to ICly explain wtf just happened. Sorry. Typoed.


Continued on seamlessly. Truth be said, I've never really experienced people taking realities of IRL demands in any variation of pissy ways.

[evilcabbage]

virtual punishments seems fine, like:  before you go to sleep, you're gonna help sergeant whatshisfuck training his runners.

that seems totally fine. that implies that, when you log off, you're actually going to go do that!

[Veselka]

Virtual punishments seem confusing. Who decides the circumstances where a virtual punishment would be justified? We all lead busy lives, and it would be unfortunate to log in after posting in an absence thread that you have some RL stuff going on, and then your Boss informs you of the virtual punishment that happened to your PC while you were not playing the game. That seems rather...Odd.

Just as someone could be virtually non present while the PC isn't in the game, couldn't that same PC be present (a background character) during contracts, or on missions, or just around the compound? From my understanding, virtual means not significant, as in they don't make significant actions either way to affect their surroundings.

[evilcabbage]

virtually present on a contract? no.

because then you would have virtual risk of death.

[Veselka]

Doesn't everyone have a virtual risk of death, as in real life?

[evilcabbage]

unless you quit in a public, easy to access room when the soldiers are chasing you? you can't 'virtually' die.

but if you go on virtual contracts, then you'd have to be willing to accept a chance that your character might -die- on that virtual contract.

[Riev]

Doesn't everyone have a virtual risk of death, as in real life?

Codedly, only in super-rare likely staff-assistance instances.

If I could lose my PC to a virtual mugging, while I was logged off watching American Horror Story? I would find where Saikun's House is, find the toaster he programmed to run this damn game, and do violent things to it.

Likewise, if you're in the Byn, you are not "virtually" on the contract. If they all died on that contract, you would be dead too, without your coded abilities influencing the fight, nor your PCs decisions on whether to fight or flee. It simply does not happen.

[Molten Heart]

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[Veselka]

I like the idea of virtual punishment for things like not attending something because they can't log in, for things that a player is in violation due to inaction of not logging in. It maintains continuity and immersion for others who are close but unaffected and the player effected isn't adversely effected because of their OOC real life circumstances.

It would sort of piss me off. It encourages the 'reward people who play the game 24/7' mentality that sort of drives me insane.