Reopen the Akei'Ta Var

[Riev]

Which would go against the reason they closed Tuluk (or one of them) to begin with. The North was supposed to kind of end up a "we're not going to hugely support that sphere of the game so that we can consolidate and focus our efforts in other places" area to be in. Not that staff weren't watching or weren't willing/able to help, but that their focus would not be on Morin's or Northern issues.

Opening the ATV, opening 'another' tribe to give them something to do... kind of flies in the face of that. Unless the ATV somehow take over Tuluk and re-open it as the new Northlands Delt Trading Extravaganza, now with Vestrics!

[sleepyhead]

Well, I'd like them to fly in the face of that.

[palomar]

Haha, talk about tree hugging bunny lovers then.. Though the idea of a d-elf ATV sorcerer king is quite appealing, in a twisted way.

[WarriorPoet]

I loved ATV. Far more than slk or sun runners.

I hate the D elf restrictions on travel. As atv I took a lot of pilgimages to see different environments and hippily commune with the trees and bugs and whatnot and it was one of my favorite experiences.

[roughneck]

Things I like about ATV:
- their beliefs create a natural conflict with other PC's
- their tribal lands share area with other hunting/travel grounds of other PC's, which is better for interaction and conflict with other PC's

Things I don't like:
- all this 'harmony with the land' BS doesn't feel very armageddony to me, the land is cruel, it wants to devour you
- power ranger hippies

Would I like it open:
- overall, I vote yes if only for the 'get off my land' conflict

What I would do different:
- I'd play an elementalist, but instead of being in harmony with my element/nature, I'd try to rp more of a bondage situation, where the element demands obedience, sacrifice and rituals to avoid the tribe being punished and oppressed by the land

[Riev]

Tuluk being taken over by an elven sorcerer king bent on preservation, both of themselves and the land, who tree-hugs resources and holds most of the wood and northern wildlife in an iron-fist is probably the most amazing thing I've ever heard.

Maybe even mix in the "control the elements" portion Roughneck is talking about, where the ATV try and force the land to grow things it shouldn't. Like increasingly-mad Dasari.

Oh man. Please.

Edit: It'd even make somewhat sense in Tuluki standards, being 'nice' to everyone but not trusting a damn person. Every elf in the city is out for themselves, and you know it, but you can only trust your close family. Or CAN you?

Added to edit: Except no way would this ever happen. Canonically, not a chance.

[Delirium]

Tuluk being taken over by an elven sorcerer king bent on preservation, both of themselves and the land, who tree-hugs resources and holds most of the wood and northern wildlife in an iron-fist is probably the most amazing thing I've ever heard.

Maybe even mix in the "control the elements" portion Roughneck is talking about, where the ATV try and force the land to grow things it shouldn't. Like increasingly-mad Dasari.

Oh man. Please.

Edit: It'd even make somewhat sense in Tuluki standards, being 'nice' to everyone but not trusting a damn person. Every elf in the city is out for themselves, and you know it, but you can only trust your close family. Or CAN you?

Added to edit: Except no way would this ever happen. Canonically, not a chance.

that has to be one of the best ideas I've ever read on the GDB.

[Patuk]

I don't know that I buy Tuluk being closed being a good reason to close a tribe in the first place. The tablelands doesn't exactly have a city state on it, either.

[palomar]

The ATV was open for a while after Tuluk closed. It was not the only or even primary reason, but it contributed to the decision. Clearly, staff do not focus on the northlands, and at the time (late 2015) they wanted tribal focus on the Tablelands. Tribes aside, there is still no clan focus on the north.

[roughneck]

Open ATV...

But also open Anyali! They've always seemed cool.

[Delirium]

The anyali were neat but they were also a bunch of peace loving hippes that seemed really out of place in the world.

You'd have to adjust their docs a good bit.

[Riev]

Bump up overall average players actively playing by 12, and I'd be all for reopening things.

When I play, I'm lucky to see 25 people even online. Give me 30-35 people online during off-peak and I'm down for Anyali too!

[Vox]

Tuluk being taken over by an elven sorcerer king bent on preservation, both of themselves and the land, who tree-hugs resources and holds most of the wood and northern wildlife in an iron-fist is probably the most amazing thing I've ever heard.

Maybe even mix in the "control the elements" portion Roughneck is talking about, where the ATV try and force the land to grow things it shouldn't. Like increasingly-mad Dasari.

Oh man. Please.

I f'ing LOVE this.

Creating essentially an elven majority city state in the north would be amazing. The racial tension would be truly epic.. City elves posturing as nobles in the north, essentially stealing the Houses in some 'take over/purge'.. Elven Templars trying to subjugate D-Elves in an attempt to bolster their ranks and bring them into the fold.. Now THAT is some ginka-worthy drama.

[Dar]

You guys should realize that An Elven government will be even more brutal then a human one and such a city is basically non sustainable. Only reason why any city does not break down into a massive bloody civil war/exodus is the fact that the humans are the ones oppressing the elves, not the elves oppressing the humans.

[Vox]

You guys should realize that An Elven government will be even more brutal then a human one and such a city is basically non sustainable. Only reason why any city does not break down into a massive bloody civil war/exodus is the fact that the humans are the ones oppressing the elves, not the elves oppressing the humans.

You realize that this fact is exactly what makes such a concept entirely fun to take part in. The speed at which their citystate crumbles is relative, but the RP journey of awesome it would be in the meantime would be epic.

[Armaddict]

Elven communities have thrived on Zalanthas for a good long time.  All that changes is the weaknesses in their form of government.

That being said...more 'temporary' changes to the world is actually awesome.  Particularly if they're filled with strife.  Hell.  Make a Game of Thrones-like zombie army in the sandstorms that wanders around the wastes hunting life.  Awesome.  Make Allanak take over the north and another rebellion.  Awesome.  Make a world-wide elven rebellion in open war with humans.  Awesome.

It doesn't matter if it will stand forever.  What matters is that it provides things to do and take part in.

[Riev]

I've always been partial to a hero-gith uniting all the gith tribes in the Known and securing their place as the owners of the Wastes.

However, I still feel that the ATV, like other clans, only work when there are people to interact with. They aren't "Northland Hippie Game Wardens", they have their own stuff going on, and trade, and etc. I think more people would need to be around, or more opportunities in the North would need to open up, and that just isn't going to happen.

With all that is going on in Tuluk (at least in my mind, I was there when it shut down) I think that an angry tribe of hippie magicker elves could certainly do something to Tuluk and its Bagheads. To me, Muk Utep would never have let something like that happen to his own people considering how he loves even the commoners in his city. So something is up, blocking his ability, or he's off gallivanting around with Tektolnes on their secret trysts. It doesn't just have to be "one day Tuluk died, now there are elves, yahhhh!", but I think that'd be an interesting storyline that could lead to excitement and a "short-lived" story arc.

After only 10-20 years, the elven dominion starts to wane as mutated plants and failure to take the forest back from the kryl leave them blaming each other. During this time, some Tuluki heroes rise up from the shadows and take the head off the snake. With the sorcerous power no longer able to leech off the remnants of Muk Utep's power, His Glory grows again. Children are born with His Gift for psionicism, and His Prowess for battle. As Tuluk rises from the Ashes, Allanak seizes their opportunity at an early foothold in the young citystate. Its now separated into two factions. The Southern half of the city is in Tuluki hands, but if you cross Dark Moon Road, be careful. Everything from Freil's Rest to the north has been ransacked and taken over by the Southern Heathens, establishing supplies and a foothold for years to come.

[Dar]

The staff finally opens the Tuluki gates and allow gameplay inside.

Two thirds of the entire VNPCs are gone. Every building is destroyed. Ever bit of coin that used to be in the Nenyuk's is gone. The gardens withered. Shit and debris everywhere.  The newly chargenned show up and find a a blood covered Templar, sprawled on top of a pile of skulls, where the Sanctuary used to be, suckling onto a human phalanx.

"What the hell happened!?!?!?!" the newly chargenned character asks.

The blood covered templar shifts his eyes, "Ummh ... Elves did it? Umh. Yeh! They've uh took over and did all of umh ... that. But that's alright. Time to repopulate. Come on in, my children."

[HavokBlue]

Having played a (relatively) long-lived ATV PC in the last iteration of the tribe, I can say with confidence that there are a whole bunch of problems (code and otherwise) that need to be fixed before it is playable. The tribe struggled to sustain a player base before it was closed and there are reasons for that. Without Tuluk as a playable city, it doesn't make a ton of sense to me to do the necessary revamp work for a clan that will have 2-4 PCs playing in mostly isolation.

[Miradus]

Having played a (relatively) long-lived ATV PC in the last iteration of the tribe, I can say with confidence that there are a whole bunch of problems (code and otherwise) that need to be fixed before it is playable. The tribe struggled to sustain a player base before it was closed and there are reasons for that. Without Tuluk as a playable city, it doesn't make a ton of sense to me to do the necessary revamp work for a clan that will have 2-4 PCs playing in mostly isolation.

Which describes my experience in every elf tribe or the Arabet. Heck, I've been in tribes before when I was the ONLY one in it.

Tribes are for telling your buddies OOC, "hey, come play with me", and then you and one or two friends go fill out a tribe for awhile, breathe some life into it, and then everyone dies after awhile and the tribe goes down to a vNPC population only until someone else gives it a shot.

Never played in a forest elf tribe, but it sounds like it'd be fun.

[nauta]

you and one or two friends go fill out a tribe for awhile, breathe some life into it, and then everyone dies after awhile and the tribe goes down to a vNPC population only until someone else gives it a shot.

Never played in a forest elf tribe, but it sounds like it'd be fun.

Yep.  I don't enter a tribe expecting other PCs (when they are there, that's fantastic); I go into a tribe because I want to enliven that part of the Known.  As long as my PC can enter Luir's, I'll be fine.

Now that I'm better at winning Armageddon, I would love to play in the ATV again.  I bet I wouldn't get kryl'd right off the bat.

[Miradus]

My hope when I enter anything like a tribe is that others will see there's someone there having fun, then their next death they'll roll up and join me.

And hopefully I can win Armageddon someday like you.

[Hauwke]

Ive found my personal win at Arm lately, doing real fine with it.

On the other hand, I do one day want to try my hand at a tribal elf just because I know it will be fun if there are others with me.

[Dar]

What is wrong with all of you? The current fad is Celves. CELVES. Adjust your hopes and dreams accordingly

[Miradus]

Ive found my personal win at Arm lately, doing real fine with it.

On the other hand, I do one day want to try my hand at a tribal elf just because I know it will be fun if there are others with me.

Give it a try. Desert elves (at least the Soh ... never been anything else) are a lot of fun, particularly if there's one or two others who aren't overly concerned about longevity. A desert elf has elevated stats (the master race) and great survival skills once you know the Pah pretty well. It's actually much easier to play there once you know what to avoid than it is anywhere else.

Sort of like being a city elf in the rinth. It's the safest place in the game in terms of hostile mobs ... just watch out for other people.