Reactions to the Witch Subguilds

[BadSkeelz]

Sparring accidents happen. Angry clan leaders happen. Someone backstabbing you when you step outside of your secure compound happens. Magickers can avoid a lot of this thanks to nil.

Unless you count Torgun as an angry clan leader, none of this ever happened to my clanned melee types. 

My assassin trained backstab up pretty high by hunting animals with her clan. Wasn't particularly risky or hard to do.

That's the HUGE advantage mundanes have over mages: clans.

I vaguely recall idly debating whether to kill your PC but can't remember why. Plus you could mastercraft so, you know. Useful.

For your assassin, I wager you still took more damage falling off your mount than any mage ever did fully branching their skills. Going outside with clannies to skill-up might feel safe and routine, but that's because of complacent players. Not because it actually is. Ask Torgun how his last routine patrol turned out.

[Akaramu]

For your assassin, I wager you still took more damage falling off your mount than any mage ever did fully branching their skills. Going outside with clannies to skill-up might feel safe and routine, but that's because of complacent players. Not because it actually is. Ask Torgun how his last routine patrol turned out.

Actually, my best Whiran tumbled over a mountain cliff and fell to her death. Embarrassing, I know.   

It was totally Musashi's fault, I swear.

[BadSkeelz]

Were you casting spells to skill up or trying to explore with them?

I know you desperately want to be the rule but you're just the exception that proves it.

[Akaramu]

I was, um, hanging out with other mages.

(no mudsex involved. Honest.)

I'm also trying to lighten the mood. Not sure if successful.

[Malken]

I was, um, hanging out with other mages.

(no mudsex involved. Honest.)

Were you part of the cuddle puddle (that's a Staff term, not mine) that would find a super remote spot and then just play together with your other mage friends while ignoring the rest of the game? Probably another reason why Staff made sure that mages now had to rely on other mages if they wanted to achieve any semblance of super power.

[Akaramu]

If you mean I didn't befriend normal people or mudsex them, then... I guess?

I'm pretty sure mages not mingling with mundanes too much is intended. Fear of magick and all that.

[Riev]

And here -I- thought all the mage hate was because of a couple mage-havens that were set up and people weren't part of the in-crowd.

[BadSkeelz]

I will admit to being kinda insulted when the cuddle-puddle assassinated all the Byn Sarges (to cripple the organization and forestall any Templarate-sponsored strikes) and left my AoD Sergeant and his non-existent unit alone

[Malken]

If you mean I didn't befriend normal people or mudsex them, then... I guess?

I'm pretty sure mages not mingling with mundanes too much is intended. Fear of magick and all that.

Well, they shut down Tuluk to make sure that the diminishing playerbase would be centralized a little more.

Maybe it has a lot to do with why we now have quarter-pound gikers.

[wizturbo]

Were you part of the cuddle puddle (that's a Staff term, not mine) that would find a super remote spot and then just play together with your other mage friends while ignoring the rest of the game? Probably another reason why Staff made sure that mages now had to rely on other mages if they wanted to achieve any semblance of super power.

This doesn't seem like a logical reason at all.  You could do this with any guild.  This isn't a mage thing.  A Guild Merchant, Ranger and Warrior could live indefinitely in a remote location and ignore the world, probably even more effectively than most elementalists could.  Switch that up to three assassins, and they could slip in and out of Allanak and do more damage than any magicker ever could...  So it isn't that the magickers had teeth.

[Akaramu]

Maybe it has a lot to do with why we now have quarter-pound gikers.

I doubt it, because mages are still as hated / feared as ever. Doesn't matter if they're full or quarter gicks as long as the documentation doesn't change (and imo, it shouldn't.)

[Malken]

Were you part of the cuddle puddle (that's a Staff term, not mine) that would find a super remote spot and then just play together with your other mage friends while ignoring the rest of the game? Probably another reason why Staff made sure that mages now had to rely on other mages if they wanted to achieve any semblance of super power.

You could do this with any guild.  This isn't a mage thing.  A Guild Merchant, Ranger and Warrior could live indefinitely in a remote location and ignore the world, probably even more effectively than most elementalists could.

Define remote. They would constantly be facing danger and they would often have to return to a civilized area to re-supply, unless you find the perfect spot where water and food could be easily found. And then the merchant would constantly annoy the ranger for materials and the ranger would end up being eaten alive within a week.

Meanwhile, water dude summons all the food and water needed whenever it's needed, another dude makes some shade, flying dude flies everyone over who wants to join the puddle of love, krathi dude makes trinkets for everyone to have super stats, etc...

Gimme a break.

[BadSkeelz]

Odd how you never hear about mundanes setting up self-sufficient camps and then using their coded skills to sway inordinate swathes of the game world. Maybe mundane players are just shitty or something.

[Akaramu]

As opposed to every mundane PC of clan X hanging out in their super posh and 100% secure clan compound most of the time?

[wizturbo]

Sources of water aren't as rare as you might think.  Sources of food aren't either.  It would depend on the location of course, the middle of the Red Desert might be tricky, but numerous places come to mind.

Might need an escort to get to some of these places originally, but coming up with enough coin to pay the Byn to lead you and your group out there and leave you probably isn't too hard to do.

[BadSkeelz]

As opposed to every mundane PC of clan X hanging out in their super posh and secure clan compound most of the time?

Only the lame ones.

[Malken]

Maybe it has a lot to do with why we now have quarter-pound gikers.

I doubt it, because mages are still as hated / feared as ever. Doesn't matter if they're full or quarter gicks as long as the documentation doesn't change (and imo, it shouldn't.)

I honestly think that it didn't have the desired effect that Staff probably wanted (I'm just guessing here). I bet that with diminished power Staff hoped that there would be a lot more gemmers than before and thus, more gemmers for other gemmers to interact with and the fact that gemmers would have to also interact with the rest of the playerbase.

I think instead there's just a crazy amount of rogue 'gikers running around pretending to be normal and that will have a sort of effect on how accepted rogue gikers will become. Like everyone probably assumes that everyone else is a something/giker in Luir's and Storm and anyone you meet in the wilds is probably also a something/giker.

But I totally feel for all of you because I've never really enjoyed Arm again after they shut down Tuluk. For me, I'd rather play with just two other players in Tuluk than 30 players in Allanak. So I feel for you guys, I truly do.

[Miradus]

I can't think of anywhere that you're not within 15 rooms of water except for perhaps deep in the Red or the Salt.

And usually those sources of water have a nearby quit room.

Seriously, the game was built around the cuddle puddle.

[Malken]

Seriously, the game was built around the cuddle puddle.

Which is what I think they are trying to fix.

Atrium was probably a cuddle puddle, so they shut it down. Tuluk was -my- cuddle puddle, they shut it down. Powerful gikers being able to live on the highest mountain unreachable by the rest of the playerbase was a cuddle puddle, now it's a lot harder to achieve and they're probably hoping for more gemmers.

Wasn't that subguild that allowed you to forage for food and water taken down too? (I might be wrong but I think I remember that...)

[Akaramu]

You know Malken, now that I think about it... you could be on to something.

[Delirium]

I will admit to being kinda insulted when the cuddle-puddle assassinated all the Byn Sarges (to cripple the organization and forestall any Templarate-sponsored strikes) and left my AoD Sergeant and his non-existent unit alone

Attacking the Byn is one thing. Directly attacking the Arm of the Dragon is another. I'm sure this distinction was intentional, and more of a compliment to your character's connections and authority.

But sure, be snide and yuk it up about cuddle puddles.

[Feco]

If we're sharing stories, I pretty much spent a Krathi's entire life blowing up turtles.

Wait, was that a cuddle puddle?

[Comfortably Dumb]

If we're sharing stories, I pretty much spent a Krathi's entire life blowing up turtles.

Wait, was that a cuddle puddle?

Depends on what you did with the remnants of their blown up corpses after.

[bardlyone]

fuck dwarves, fuck magickers, fuck f-me's, fuck city elves and nerf everything I don't use

I feel like this is applicable to badskeelz and malken's responses' line of logic here.

[LauraMars]

Guys please try to be civil to each other and cultivate friendly discussion that is more open to opposing viewpoints. I'm sensing a bit of hostility here and I don't want to see it escalate. Thanks!