Modification to "Reroll" command

[Incognito]

Can we have the "reroll" command slightly modified as under:

reroll - will reroll your PC according to the stat order / or random order chosen during char creation - as it works right now.
reroll (stat1, stat2, stat3, stat4) - will reroll your PC according to the new stat order you choose.
reroll random - will reroll your PC with random stats - ignoring the stat order you chose during char creation.

There are times, when you've chosen a particular stat order during char creation, and then, when you do enter the game, you might want to change priorities. Or, simply have the stat order ignored and opt for a random roll based on race/guild/age. This will allow a greater freedom to do so. Will be especially useful if you've just spent some chargen points to have a spec-app approved, and want to fine-tune your stats.

I agree - its not a HUGE necessity, but it will definitely give some more freedom to tweak your stats on your 2nd and final reroll, once your PC is in the game.

Edited to add:
If you've stat ordered during char creation, and find your initial starting stats aren't as good as you expected, then chances are your reroll's not gonna be "that" different either. This will allow you to cancel the initial stat order, and roll random stats, which is what you really want sometimes.

[Quirrilicious]

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[Harmless]

this suggestion doesn't bother me at all so I guess that means i approve of it also.

[RogueGunslinger]

I'm not sure I really understand the need.

Is it just in case you change your mind  on how your stats should be ordered after your character gets accepted? Not sure I've ever done that before.

[Lizzie]

I'm not sure I really understand the need.

Is it just in case you change your mind  on how your stats should be ordered after your character gets accepted? Not sure I've ever done that before.

I've done it a few times. My solution to it has been to just stop prioritizing altogether and accept a random roll (and/or reroll and/or reroll-undo)

[Incognito]

I'm not sure I really understand the need.

Is it just in case you change your mind  on how your stats should be ordered after your character gets accepted? Not sure I've ever done that before.

I didn't feel the need for this earlier too. But lately, I've been experiencing that the initial roll as well as the second roll when you've ordered your stats - sometimes go bad - both times in a row.

Its just dependent on the race/guild/age you picked.

If this doesn't get implemented - I'm inclined to go with Lizzie's solution - not stat order at all, and just go with the random rolls.

Since we have limited opportunities to apply for special apps, this is something I felt would help. But like I said in my initial post - its not really a top priority issue. Just something that would be immensely helpful to have.

[Barsook]

I don't dig this, but I dig Lizzie's suggestion.

[Lizzie]

I think having another option would be great. That's why I posted how I've been doing it. Because - lacking any other option, I've found that not prioritizing at all, is better than prioritizing, regretting the priority you made, and not being able to unprioritize with the reroll.

[Fujikoma]

Sorry, I like my stat priorities just like they are. It's why I set them that way. I don't see stat rolls being completely randomized as being healthy, say, like getting poor agi on a pickpocket. If I want to play that, I'll start as an old man and put agi last, I don't dig that at all.

You choose how your priorities are set, user error means, whoops! Did that with one of my first PCs, and you know what? I had -so- much fun with that one, despite being unable to use one of the highlight skills of that guild. Still, that was my choice. Take that choice away with me, and I get shit stats for my guild's primary stats, I'm going to be right pissed off. I mean, if I wanted shit stats for the skills I use, I'd pick a certain class that always seems to get bad rolls.

[Incognito]

Sorry, I like my stat priorities just like they are. It's why I set them that way. I don't see stat rolls being completely randomized as being healthy, say, like getting poor agi on a pickpocket. If I want to play that, I'll start as an old man and put agi last, I don't dig that at all.

You choose how your priorities are set, user error means, whoops! Did that with one of my first PCs, and you know what? I had -so- much fun with that one, despite being unable to use one of the highlight skills of that guild. Still, that was my choice. Take that choice away with me, and I get shit stats for my guild's primary stats, I'm going to be right pissed off. I mean, if I wanted shit stats for the skills I use, I'd pick a certain class that always seems to get bad rolls.

Hey Fujikoma, in all fairness, we're not in a concentration camp here - its a game - and people make mistakes. Just coz someone makes an error during initial app, doesn't mean they need to live with it! You're most welcome to stick to your initial choice - if you feel so strongly about it. There's really no reason your personal feelings on the matter need to be applicable to the rest of the players. The suggestion IS made, to help players who might've made a mistake in the first place!!

[Fujikoma]

Sorry, I like my stat priorities just like they are. It's why I set them that way. I don't see stat rolls being completely randomized as being healthy, say, like getting poor agi on a pickpocket. If I want to play that, I'll start as an old man and put agi last, I don't dig that at all.

You choose how your priorities are set, user error means, whoops! Did that with one of my first PCs, and you know what? I had -so- much fun with that one, despite being unable to use one of the highlight skills of that guild. Still, that was my choice. Take that choice away with me, and I get shit stats for my guild's primary stats, I'm going to be right pissed off. I mean, if I wanted shit stats for the skills I use, I'd pick a certain class that always seems to get bad rolls.

Hey Fujikoma, in all fairness, we're not in a concentration camp here - its a game - and people make mistakes. Just coz someone makes an error during initial app, doesn't mean they need to live with it! You're most welcome to stick to your initial choice - if you feel so strongly about it. There's really no reason your personal feelings on the matter need to be applicable to the rest of the players. The suggestion IS made, to help players who might've made a mistake in the first place!!

While I think it would be a nice change, some are suggesting doing away with prioritization entirely, or so it seems from what I've read, as a possible solution. I get what you're saying. Honestly, though it seems complicated, if the time and resources are there to code up the ability to reroll stats with different priorities, I certainly wouldn't object, but I think maybe I didn't express exactly what my concern was clearly enough.

[Incognito]

There is no call for nor the justification for removal of stat prioritisation at all!

That is a standard feature of the game, that should remain unchanged.

[Lizzie]

Fuji I'm not calling for the elimination of the option to prioritize (which is a relatively new feature that didn't used to exist).

I'm saying that I don't use prioritization, because I've used it in the past and didn't like how it turned out and was not able to UNDO that prioritization. So, since there's no option to UNprioritize, after the fact, I've chosen not to prioritize in the first place.

If there was an option to UNprioritize after the fact, I'd probably at least try to prioritize on certain occasions when I want my character's stats to be at least similar to the personality I've set up for her.

[manonfire]

wtb point allocation system a la Fallout, pst

[X-D]

Oh hell no.

[Nyr]

If you make a mistake prior to getting into the game (you selected prioritization or not and wish to change priority or whatever BEFORE you have actually rolled any stats) you can put in a request to have this reviewed and we can take a look at it and fix it for you.  Having an automated process for handling completely rare player mistakes isn't needed for that.

However, once you have made the call and are actually rolling your stats, you must take some responsibility for the choices you made.  Either you prioritized or you did not and you are stuck with the results or two potential rolls.  If it is truly unplayable, you may put in a request to staff.  Of the stat change requests put in since we added reroll undo/stat priority, none of them have been filed because a player prioritized things and got something they selected at #1 too low.

Or maybe one of them.  I think they wanted exceptional and we told them "you got extremely good, that's...extremely good, literally."

If you prioritized your stats in a certain order, you know that whatever you put as the top one (probably even the top two) will not be shitty.  You prioritize because you feel that the top stat is important enough to your character concept that you really need to have it be as high as possible.  Example, you're rolling a warrior in the Byn and you want to play a brute strength human guy.  You would put strength high if your concept absolutely needs it.  Once you roll, you aren't going to see strength be shitty.  It may not be what you want (AI), but it will be playable and useful for your character concept.

Rerolling and stat priority are ways to reduce the unplayability of a character.

[Quirrilicious]

I never even knew you could put in a request for that. 

[Armaddict]

Oh.  I remember the days of no stat priority and no undoing rerolls.  Those were some moments of pure elation and dread that resulted in some crazy shenanigans to keep the character codedly relevant.