Progression of desert-elven role availabilty

[Lizzie]

I still think we're ignoring the Haruch Kemad, which is essentially what you guys are looking for.

I feel any 'new' city elf clan would get maybe a beginning boost because it's new and interesting, but suffer the same problems the other elf clans have.

That's a city based clan with city elves though. This thread is about the need/desire for another desert elf tribe.

[Riya OniSenshi]

Perceived need/desire of a minority of players who happen to be vocal on the gdb.

I think delfs are fine as they are now.
People had their chance with Red Fangs for what most of you are describing and the game world decided to kill them.

I think someone said it before, but if you're unhappy with the current delf clans, try to change them in-game rather than out.

[spicemustflow]

I still think we're ignoring the Haruch Kemad, which is essentially what you guys are looking for.

Can you elaborate on that?

[spicemustflow]

People had their chance with Red Fangs for what most of you are describing and the game world decided to kill them.

I feel the need to say something. I'm not sure that I haven't said this already but if I did, forgive me it's old age and years of sniffing solvents.

So, the world decided to kill Red Fangs? The glass ceiling that exists in every other clan and the purpose of which is to maintain the status quo of the game world somehow completely failed in the case of RF. I wonder if it wasn't intentional, because the Fangs were deemed too much trouble to run and other layers hated being raided. In any other clan, say Kadius, if you're a family member and you try to stir enough shit with both Kurac and Salarr to start an actual war and risk your house annihilated, there'll always be a higher up guy who'll slap the shit out of you and your minions. The players of RF who started those hostilities (while not even close to the elder position of the tribe) didn't receive any repercussions before it was too late. It wasn't just the case of world reacting as it should, it was an excuse to close another troublesome raiding clan. My opinion obv.

(not to mention the fact that raiding wasn't even supposed to be the main activity of RF)

[Spider]

People had their chance with Red Fangs for what most of you are describing and the game world decided to kill them.

I feel the need to say something. I'm not sure that I haven't said this already but if I did, forgive me it's old age and years of sniffing solvents.

So, the world decided to kill Red Fangs? The glass ceiling that exists in every other clan and the purpose of which is to maintain the status quo of the game world somehow completely failed in the case of RF. I wonder if it wasn't intentional, because the Fangs were deemed too much trouble to run and other layers hated being raided. In any other clan, say Kadius, if you're a family member and you try to stir enough shit with both Kurac and Salarr to start an actual war and risk your house annihilated, there'll always be a higher up guy who'll slap the shit out of you and your minions. The players of RF who started those hostilities (while not even close to the elder position of the tribe) didn't receive any repercussions before it was too late. It wasn't just the case of world reacting as it should, it was an excuse to close another troublesome raiding clan. My opinion obv.

(not to mention the fact that raiding wasn't even supposed to be the main activity of RF)

They died ICly to the Sun Runners, a PC open tribe. It's in the history.

[BleakOne]

They died ICly for IC reasons. The IC game world pretty much did decide to kill them, not evil adminz.

[spicemustflow]

The world was allowed to kill them because the VNPCs that exist above the player in every other clan (in order to prevent players to get things out of control) didn't prevent players to get things out of control. Is this more clear? Again, a Kuraci family member wouldn't be allowed to wage war on Tuluk.

[BleakOne]

The Red Fangs were never a Known-spanning super-cartel like House Kurac, and were quite weak comparitively with many other clans from an OOC angle. They simply didn't have the connections that the higher ups in House Kurac would have, seeing as how they were pretty much everybody's enemy, save some other elf tribes (which they alienated, apparently, to be killed by Sun Runners as the docs state) and the gith.

[spicemustflow]

You're still missing my point. The comparison between RF and Kurac is irrelevant, and Red Fangs do have a sort of council of elders that would have realized that pissing off Sun Runners is a monstrously bad idea. That's how shit works in every clan. Players may have been badasses but they weren't even close to being the leaders of the tribe. glass ceiling and all

If a Kuraci family member tried to do something like that, he'd be a deceased (stored) Kuraci family member.

[Is Friday]

You don't know the details.

[spicemustflow]

You don't know the details.

I admit I don't. This is just how it looks like to me.

[chrisdcoulombe]

An Elf tribe that has Trap and steal.   They feel morally inclined to deliver large amounts of explosives to living humanoids that aren't of their tribe.   
em looks down at the pack in his inventory reaching to open it.  the tall muscular man runs in from the west screaming in Austrian accented English "Its a balmb! NOOOOO!'

[Eurynomos]

This thread has turned from good ideas to idle speculation.

The good ideas are here, so thanks for that!