Emote code in ldesc

[DustMight]

I think it would be great if we could use @ in ldescs so that the desc wouldn't have to start with our chraracter's sdesc.

[Barsook]

I dig this.

[ShaLeah]

I think it would be great if we could use @ in ldescs so that the desc wouldn't have to start with our chraracter's sdesc.

Not sure how I feel about this... I like seeing the character first, not the action. In emotes I don't mind, but when I want into a room, I want to see the character first.

[Marauder Moe]

If I recall, the game code can already do this (lots of NPCs do it).  It was specifically removed from player characters.

[Maso]

Maybe to help distinguish from NPC's?

[Marauder Moe]

I believe that was one aspect to it.  Really visibility in general, as Sha suggested.

[Lizzie]

Probably because in games where things like that -are- allowed, you get stuff like this:

>A hairless tregil sits next to a green-eyed lass under the shade of a boabab tree.

Someone "looking" from another room wouldn't know whether the actually coded item is a tregil, the lass, or the tree. That wouldn't be such a big deal, unless someone is trying to hunt the tregil - or looking for shade to rest in.

[Patuk]

If this code bit gets changed I might play an actual assassin. I'll just pretend to be an NPC all day.

[Gilgamesh]

Probably because in games where things like that -are- allowed, you get stuff like this:

>A hairless tregil sits next to a green-eyed lass under the shade of a boabab tree.

Someone "looking" from another room wouldn't know whether the actually coded item is a tregil, the lass, or the tree. That wouldn't be such a big deal, unless someone is trying to hunt the tregil - or looking for shade to rest in.

I still don't see the problem. If a baobab tree is in their ldesc, there should be one in the room. Not including an area like the Grey Forest. Same with shade. And to date, I haven't seen an NPC ldesc that included a vNPC that has been used in the same way the green-eyed lass was. Only a player-made ldesc would incorporate this 99% of the time. And if the lass and the tregil were both NPCs, they'd have seperate ldescs.

[Riev]

She means its "abusable" by PCs in that they could change their ldesc to include a vNPC or an object not actually in the room.


the tall muscular man is here

becomes

Sitting underneath a baobab tree, a hairless tregil cozies up next to the tall muscular man.

And you wouldn't know which one actually exists. Is it Amos? The tregil?

[lordcooper]

It's the man, because tregils don't have ldescs like that.

[Lizzie]

It's abuseable by people who don't know better - which tends to be pretty much all new players, and several not so new players, and the random veteran who does know better but doesn't care.

ICly, I might be someone looking from a distance and want to shoot that tregil. ICly, I'd get the bow, the arrow, and aim..and ICly, I wouldn't be capable of shooting at it, because it isn't really there. Power-emoting, power-ldescing, power-anything else..just like leaving a toy in the room and "arranging" it to describe a VNPC toddler playing with the toy, under supervision of a VNPC in the room. Well what if I want to kidnap that toddler? How about I murder the VNPC and re-arrange the toy? Wouldn't people cry foul? Or is it foul to assume that this toddler is always there, always playing with that toy, and always supervised by the same VNPC, and always unable to be kidnapped?

The fact that it -can- become a huge issue - and the fact that it -does- get abused in other games, is the reason I'm against it. If it were just one or the other it wouldn't be a big deal. But it's both, so it is, to me.

[Gilgamesh]

It's the man, because tregils don't have ldescs like that.

This exactly.


Unless you're completely new to the game. Considering current trends, may be a small problem. But if a newbie quit because they mistook a PC's ldesc as the tregil they've been looking for and got pissed, I don't think they would of stuck around too long in the first place.

[Lizzie]

It's the man, because tregils don't have ldescs like that.

This exactly.


Unless you're completely new to the game. Considering current trends, may be a small problem. But if a newbie quit because they mistook a PC's ldesc as the tregil they've been looking for and got pissed, I don't think they would of stuck around too long in the first place.

If a newbie got frustrated trying to shoot the tregil and couldn't because it wasn't really there...and if it were policy and -coded- to encourage people to create ldescs like that - then I'd understand them quitting over it.

[Gilgamesh]

It's the man, because tregils don't have ldescs like that.

This exactly.


Unless you're completely new to the game. Considering current trends, may be a small problem. But if a newbie quit because they mistook a PC's ldesc as the tregil they've been looking for and got pissed, I don't think they would of stuck around too long in the first place.

If a newbie got frustrated trying to shoot the tregil and couldn't because it wasn't really there...and if it were policy and -coded- to encourage people to create ldescs like that - then I'd understand them quitting over it.

Just because it's possible to power-emote this way, never implementing it because of that possibility seems a bit over-the-top. Most players know that the using the code this way is wrong. But you have convinced me to believe that this shouldn't be implemented at this time. There's a lot of new players around, adding something this tangible right now probably isn't a good idea.

[musashi]

Please note it is already possible to power emote this way via objects and the arrange syntax, and the world has not exploded.

Mind you I'm chuckling on the inside thinking about this:

The tall, muscular man, the short, tressy tressed woman, the pale bald stump, the skinny half-elf and the coppery mul are all here, confusing archers.

[Zul]

Magick is abusable. Please remove it.

Bash is abusable. Please remove it.

I like this idea.

[Ben Arie]

I don't think that people would be that irresponsible, but then again, I haven't been around long enough to know how likely it is that people will abuse something. Even if someone would abuse this, though, I think it would be handled the same way as power-emoting -- just wish up, and tell the staff.

On the other hand, as I understand this, it has been implemented already, and it was specifically removed for PCs. Is it far-fetched to think that the staff know what they're doing, and that the negatives outweigh the positives?   

In conclusion, I think a staff member should enter the thread, and explain why this feature has been removed, specifically, for PCs.

[DustMight]

She means its "abusable" by PCs in that they could change their ldesc to include a vNPC or an object not actually in the room.


the tall muscular man is here

becomes

Sitting underneath a baobab tree, a hairless tregil cozies up next to the tall muscular man.

And you wouldn't know which one actually exists. Is it Amos? The tregil?

I know the point was made, but:

The tall muscular man sits here underneath a baobab tree, a hairless tregil cozied up next to him.

[ShaLeah]

She means its "abusable" by PCs in that they could change their ldesc to include a vNPC or an object not actually in the room.


the tall muscular man is here

becomes

Sitting underneath a baobab tree, a hairless tregil cozies up next to the tall muscular man.

And you wouldn't know which one actually exists. Is it Amos? The tregil?

I know the point was made, but:

The tall muscular man sits here underneath a baobab tree, a hairless tregil cozied up next to him.

Not to mention if you "l n" the ldesc isn't going to be able to add a tregil where there is none and there is always the key command.

[valeria]

I would like this.  But in all honesty I probably wouldn't use it very often, since I only very rarely insert my character's description into the middle of an emote.

There was intense speculation whether people would abuse two of my favorite things, tdesc and quit ooc.  If people have been abusing those it has been handled pretty quickly (and hopefully easily) because I haven't seen any of it.  A guideline like "don't add other mob's names into your ldesc dude" would probably cover it.

[Zul]

I would like this.  But in all honesty I probably wouldn't use it very often, since I only very rarely insert my character's description into the middle of an emote.

There was intense speculation whether people would abuse two of my favorite things, tdesc and quit ooc.  If people have been abusing those it has been handled pretty quickly (and hopefully easily) because I haven't seen any of it.  A guideline like "don't add other mob's names into your ldesc dude" would probably cover it.

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