Tuluk and Jade

[Gilgamesh]

Is jade more of an Allanaki thing? Would a Tuluki choose a different type of gem other than jade just because of the 'Nakki Cross? Is it a faux pas to wear it?

[boog]

http://armageddonmud.org/general/clothing.html

I mean - as long as you're not wearing it in a black and jade outfit or wearing a jade cross on your person, or a black dragon ... it should be alright.

[BleakOne]

Like white in Allanak. Fine in small doses, otherwises moderately unfashionable

[Kalai]

Jade and silver are Winrothol colors.

[John]

Like white in Allanak. Fine in small doses, otherwises moderately unfashionable

Why do you say that white is moderately unfashionable?

[Delirium]

White is actually the "always in fashion" color, though it's not as "in fashion" as being totally swanked out in the latest styles.

Think: little black dress for common wear.

[BleakOne]

Like white in Allanak. Fine in small doses, otherwises moderately unfashionable

Why do you say that white is moderately unfashionable?

Because pure white is seen as a show of support of Tuluk, for some reason.

[John]

Because pure white is seen as a show of support of Tuluk, for some reason.

This appears to be a new phenomenon. This doesn't adhere to the docs as currently written. In the past wearing red and white were seen to be showing your support of Tuluk (we're talking 20th Age here, sometime after Tuluk had regained it's independence).  While simply wearing white wasn't perceived as being patriotic towards Tuluk.

Based on the docs I would take anyone saying that wearing nothing but white is patriotic towards Tuluk as an opinion held only by that character. If that character is influential or if there are several PCs saying this, I would then play that as white being unfashionable AT THIS TIME, until those characters stop spreading that belief (by either stopping or dying). If it truly seems to spread Allanak wide then you could ask the staff if they feel that Allanaki fashion seems to have changed on a permanent level. Either they will update the docs because they agree, or they won't update the docs because they disagree or don't have enough time

[Wolfsong]

Arrest that templar, he's wearing white in Allanak!

[hyzhenhok]

Yeah, the white robed templars kind of should put a damper on that idea. Unless it's a noble or templar, it should be easy to ICly mock anyone who gives you IC crap for wearing white in Allanak.

[BleakOne]

Actually, I got the whole 'pure white is the colour of support of Tuluk' thing from the docs, I believe. I simply cannot seem to find it at this time. I wasn't claiming my own characters spread it or anything.

I'll look in the docs some more, I'm sure I remember seeing it. Although I have also seen the 'dash of white is always in fashion' part too. Quite odd.

EDIT - Bah, can't seem to find it now, although I remember it being hidden in there somewhere. Anyway, I never said it was my idea or illegal to wear white or anything, so the whole Templar comment is sort of beside the point. No need for sarcastic smilies either. 
Come to think of it, it may have been something only during the occupation of Tuluk, where Tulukis wearing pure white were silently supporting the rebels... or something. Beats me.

Back on topic: Jade would be fine for a Tuluki to use or wear as long as it was nothing obviously Allanaki-supporting in style.

[Hishn]

Jade is acceptable in Tuluk. Black and green together are acceptable in Tuluk and part of the 'rotating fashion trends' available there.

From my experience as a player white in Allanak had nothing to do with Tuluk and everything to do with bring a 'pure' color and therefor represents the purity of nobility blood.

[Dar]

it also reflects sun rays better

[BleakOne]

Meh. Don't care enough to go trawling through the docs looking for it. Might have been a fleeting moment of madness on my part or something.

My position is assailable. 

[Delirium]

While the weather on Zalanthas is consistently hot and sandy all year round, fashion has its seasons. Frequently, the Kadian shops will change their selections in response to an event or whim. One month, purple might be the rage and the next everyone must have blue. However, the one staple of the Allanaki wardrobe is the color white. Trims may change, and colors may go in and out of style, but white is always in fashion.

My position is unassailable.

[Drayab]

Jade is acceptable in Tuluk. Black and green together are acceptable in Tuluk and part of the 'rotating fashion trends' available there.

My take on this is that wearing jade in Tuluk is kind of like flag lapel pins on American politicians, which is to say, it's okay to wear jade until the I'm more patriotic than thou stuff starts. It's safer and easier to just avoid the issue, don't wear jade, because you never know who will be in the room when the snide comments start to fly.

[Delirium]

"It's unpatriotic to wear jade? Oh dear... you had better run and warn the Winrothol Chosen."

[Malken]

it also reflects sun rays better

So rude to Muk Utep, the Sun King!

Dying of skin cancer is probably the most patriotic death a Tuluki can hope for.

[Patuk]

it also reflects sun rays better

So rude to Muk Utep, the Sun King!

Dying of skin cancer is probably the most patriotic death a Tuluki can hope for.

And vitamin D deficiency to a 'nakki.

[Zoan]

That pure white thing is as old as the freaking 1980s website. It's been like, two king's ages since that was even relevant.

[Marauder Moe]

People aren't dumb enough to attribute a whole color with an opposing social faction regardless of context.

A color and a symbol?  A combination of two colors?  Sure.  But no one is going to forsake an entire color just because it's part of an enemy's iconography.

[kayza]

People aren't dumb enough to attribute a whole color with an opposing social faction regardless of context.

A color and a symbol?  A combination of two colors?  Sure.  But no one is going to forsake an entire color just because it's part of an enemy's iconography.

Except pink

[Malifaxis]

People aren't dumb enough to attribute a whole color with an opposing social faction regardless of context.

A color and a symbol?  A combination of two colors?  Sure.  But no one is going to forsake an entire color just because it's part of an enemy's iconography.

Except pink

Untrue, people wear pink all the time.  It's not like the Soh have a monopoly on it, and no one's fucking scared of them anyway.  Hence, pink survives.

[James de Monet]

I don't know. I would be far more likely to criticize someone wearing all jade in Tuluk than someone wearing all white or all red in Allanak, but then, the difference is that jade isn't just a color, it's a shade. I wouldn't criticize a Tor who wore all blue, but if they wore all azure...

[Wolfsong]

Tuluk criticism: You just don't seem to radiate the way you did when wearing that one shade of red.
Allanak criticism: OI YA FACKIN' COCK THAT'S HEATHEN SHIT

??

[evilcabbage]

... white is ALWAYS fashionable in allanak, there's a reason Kadius is ALWAYS selling white in allanak. right? right?!

[Sakra]

... white is ALWAYS fashionable in allanak, there's a reason Kadius is ALWAYS selling white in allanak. right? right?!

They're secretly trying to make us all Tuluki! Bastards!

[kayza]

People aren't dumb enough to attribute a whole color with an opposing social faction regardless of context.

A color and a symbol?  A combination of two colors?  Sure.  But no one is going to forsake an entire color just because it's part of an enemy's iconography.

Except pink

Untrue, people wear pink all the time.  It's not like the Soh have a monopoly on it, and no one's fucking scared of them anyway.  Hence, pink survives.

I wasnt talking about arm.  Doesnt mater if you agree with it.  Its that people do stop wearing a color because of what it means.

[kayza]

I find it strange that jade which is a unique way of saying green is used to describe a color used in tuluk.  But it is so i got over it.

[Dar]

Or red for commies, etc. People do stop wearing colors over political/cultural reasons.

[BleakOne]

Well, at least somebody else remembers the whole 'pure white' thing in he docs, even if it is outdated and a bit silly.

Good to know I am not craaaazy. 

[Marauder Moe]

Or red for commies, etc. People do stop wearing colors over political/cultural reasons.

Did people actually stop wearing red during the Red Scare?  I tried to google it but the video footage and most of the photography from then is black and white.

[Marc]

Or red for commies, etc. People do stop wearing colors over political/cultural reasons.

Did people actually stop wearing red during the Red Scare?  I tried to google it but the video footage and most of the photography from then is black and white.

I asked some family members alive during Joe's rampage in the early 50's.  No one recalls any taboos wearing red or pink.  In fact pink+grey checks were all the fashion in the mid 50's for men.

No red during mourning.  No red at funerals.  No variety of colors for certain religious groups (amish/wahabi?).

No one I asked in my huge poll (2 people) recalled any color taboos from politics in the past sixty years.  Social taboos (white shoes before memorial day, red during mourning etc), but no politically influenced ones.

[manipura]

During the first Red Scare (after World War One) some states banned the public flying of red flags.

[Nyr]

Already been discussed, FYI.

http://www.zalanthas.org/gdb/index.php/topic,35875.0.html