Body Location Question/Unsure Bug

[Kiara]

So I'm curious I have a weapon that when I asses -v it, it tells me it can be slung over the shoulder. My pc's shoulder spot is available so there's nothing taking up the space. I've tried the following commands and nothing seems to work. Is this a bug or am I daft and don't know the proper command.

Commands I've Tried - Wear bow shoulder
                              - Wear bow on shoulder
                              - Wear bow about shoulder
                              - Wear bow atop shoulder
                              - Wear bow
                              - Sheathe bow / Sheath bow
                              - Put bow shoulder
                              - Sling bow
                              - Sling bow shoulder
                              - Sling bow about shoulder

I've checked the help files and I'm aware certain things have been removed from the code for wearing items on the shoulders, but the bow when assessed says I can wear it on my shoulder and when you look at the body locations there's two spots. Help?

[Maso]

sheath bow back

[Maso]

I don't find it intuitive either. It took me ages to figure it out.

[BadSkeelz]

There's a file somewhere that talks about how you can't wear a pack on the shoulder slot (like if you were toting it around on one shoulder) because that slot describes something that's placed "on top" of your shoulder. You wouldn't be wearing the pack with one strap on one shoulder, you would be balancing the pack "on" your shoulder. Any weapon saying it can go on the shoulder, I would assume it's supposed to go over the back because it violates the logic of what the shoulder slot actually is for.

[Kismetic]

If you assess an item, and it says it can be worn on the shoulder, the syntax is:  wear <item> shoulder

If that doesn't work, I would bug it.

[Maso]

The point is something that can be 'strung across shoulder'....actually means slung over the shoulder to the back...where it is worn.

[Kiara]

A dusty longbow can be worn across one's back.
A dusty longbow can be slung over the shoulder.
You test a dusty longbow's pull and decide it is just about right for you.
It is very light.

Edited the sdesc of the bow for ic sensitive info*

Point being if it's saying slung OVER the shoulder it should take up a shoulder slot, not a back spot. Otherwise to not make things complicated don't add that to the asses -v data. Just say A dusty longbow can be worn across one's back. This exact asses -v is clearly stating I can wear it on my shoulder AND on my back. My question is -what- is the command.

[Kalai]

>sheathe bow back
does not put the bow into your back wearslot, rather it sheathes it in a separate sheathed-on-back location that can only be got to by sheathing.
Which is perhaps slung over the shoulder?

[Kiara]

Hmm...ok let me try that. I'll let you know in 15min.

[Kismetic]

Oh, right, "sheath <item> back".  There is a sheathing spot on the back, some items will let you know if it's too small for that.  I wasn't aware this was described as "slung over the shoulder," huh.

[Delirium]

Yeah, IIRC (it's been a while), if you can 'sheath <item> back' it's called 'slung over the shoulder' ... probably is a bit confusing, but there you have it.

[BadSkeelz]

I've never seen an item say "can be slung over the shoulder" when you a -v it, though. If it can be sheathed across the back, a -v has told me "it can be worn across the back." I'd suggest bugging that bow or typoing it.

[Kiara]

Nope this doesn't work!

walking  riding: none  dawn wear pack
You strap your pack across your back.

walking  riding: none  dawn wear bow back
You already wear something on your back.

[Kalai]

Did you:
>hold bow
>sheathe bow back
?
Need to be holding it first if it's a worn on back type.

Edit: Hah we have the same post count.

[Rhyden]

There are two back wear locations. One is for worn items (packs) and one is a sheathe slot for bigger weapons.

http://www.armageddon.org/help/view.php?name=Sheathe

Code Select Expand

<slung across back>      a longbow
<worn across back>       a backpack

[Kiara]

Ah ha!! so sheath bow back does work! (dances) Thanks to those who helped! OH fyi - with this bow I can't wield it but I can hold and sheath it. Thanks again!

[Delirium]

Most bows are only 'hold'able, since, well, there is no point in being able to 'wield' them

[Kiara]

It would make sense to wield them no? Since really when you think about it you are holding/wielding it when you use it to do archery. So why not make it so you can wield it....

[Delirium]

Because when you 'draw bow' you want it in your off (es) hand, not in your primary hand... and the default is primary, so it's best to just not have the option for primary (ep) wield.

[Maso]

sheath bow back

Pretty sure I said that ages ago.

I get what you mean though...it IS confusing...I went through a similar thought process until I ended up asking a Helper I think. Or on the boards. I'd quite prefer it if you -could- wear packs/bags/other stuff etc on your shoulders. It's pretty limiting how many bags you can wear...since I can totally pack more onto myself IRL. And shoulder slots don't get used much. And more slots are fun.

[MeTekillot]

Are all the coils of rope worn over my shoulder balanced there precariously?

[Lizzie]

You're wielding an arrow. The arrow is the weapon, not the bow. The bow is the vehicle from which the weapon is propelled. So there's no need to wield a bow, unless you're planning on using it as a really ineffective bludgeoning weapon. There are some bows that can be wielded. There was one bow that defaulted to primary if you drew it from your back slot, but I believe that was fixed.

Hold bow;sheath bow back takes up the "slung over the shoulder" slot. It's not a wear slot, it's a sheath slot.
However, if you don't use a backpack, you -can- wear them on your back, just like you can wear longspears. But they take up that wear slot, if you do it that way.

[BleakOne]

Are all the coils of rope worn over my shoulder balanced there precariously?

I imagine them wrapped around, under the armpit, over the shoulder in a vaguely diagonal way.

[X-D]

Mine is wrapped TIGHTLY around the hawk.

[roughneck]

I know of at least one bow that can be worn over/on your shoulder.  The syntax is something like, 'wear bow over shoulder' or 'on shoulder' or something. I forget. But it will fit on a shoulder slot, totally different than sheathing it on your back.

Maybe it's a bug, but I like it. I wish all bows could be worn like that.

[Booya]

I 'idea' satchels, shoulder packs etc I come across in game that say either in the sdesc or mdesc that they can be worn on the shoulder but can't be.

Born from my time trying to wrangle with the clumsiness of shields. I wanted to wear them on my back, instead of the dubious workaround of having to keep them in packs.

Although 'sheathe shield back' would be the neatest, it's off topic...one can only dream though!

[MeTekillot]

What's wrong with being able to wear backpacks on your shoulders, anyway? So some dwarf is using his high strength to wear three packs. So? Soooo?

[IntuitiveApathy]

I 'idea' satchels, shoulder packs etc I come across in game that say either in the sdesc or mdesc that they can be worn on the shoulder but can't be.

Born from my time trying to wrangle with the clumsiness of shields. I wanted to wear them on my back, instead of the dubious workaround of having to keep them in packs.

Although 'sheathe shield back' would be the neatest, it's off topic...one can only dream though!

I believe you can actually wear most (all?) shields on your back, but it has to be in your inventory and you have to 'wear shield back'.  Sheath/draw doesn't work, so if you're in combat, the only thing you can do is to drop it out of your hand.  Then I suppose you could (somewhat unrealistically) pick it up and wear it!

[RogueGunslinger]

I 'idea' satchels, shoulder packs etc I come across in game that say either in the sdesc or mdesc that they can be worn on the shoulder but can't be.

Born from my time trying to wrangle with the clumsiness of shields. I wanted to wear them on my back, instead of the dubious workaround of having to keep them in packs.

Although 'sheathe shield back' would be the neatest, it's off topic...one can only dream though!

I believe you can actually wear most (all?) shields on your back, but it has to be in your inventory and you have to 'wear shield back'.  Sheath/draw doesn't work, so if you're in combat, the only thing you can do is to drop it out of your hand.  Then I suppose you could (somewhat unrealistically) pick it up and wear it!

But we want to wear a pack and sheath a shield on the back too.

[hyzhenhok]

Being able to sheathe shields back is the little tiny want to end all little tiny wants. It would perfect the game.

[Kismetic]

Being able to sheathe shields back is the little tiny want to end all little tiny wants. It would perfect the game.

Indeed, this would be double plus good.

[Maso]

Being able to sheathe shields back is the little tiny want to end all little tiny wants. It would perfect the game.

+ 1

[IntuitiveApathy]

I 'idea' satchels, shoulder packs etc I come across in game that say either in the sdesc or mdesc that they can be worn on the shoulder but can't be.

Born from my time trying to wrangle with the clumsiness of shields. I wanted to wear them on my back, instead of the dubious workaround of having to keep them in packs.

Although 'sheathe shield back' would be the neatest, it's off topic...one can only dream though!

I believe you can actually wear most (all?) shields on your back, but it has to be in your inventory and you have to 'wear shield back'.  Sheath/draw doesn't work, so if you're in combat, the only thing you can do is to drop it out of your hand.  Then I suppose you could (somewhat unrealistically) pick it up and wear it!

But we want to wear a pack and sheath a shield on the back too.

If this is put in, I will cry tears of joy.   -> 

[Wastrel]

Necro but yeah, I dont get why I cant sheathe my shield on my back.

A duel you say good sir? Just let me retrieve my trusty shield from my trusty backpack! Haha! This isnt awkward at all!

[armandhammer]

Necro again but I saw this and had to comment because I discovered something today:

Wear <item> shoulder, or
Wear <item> <left/right> shoulder

and

Wear <item> over shoulder, or
Wear <item> over <left/right> shoulder

are two different things.

In effect, you can wear something like a military identification patch that gets stuck "on" your shoulder,

and -also- wear something like, say, a special kind of shoulder-strap canteen that gets worn "over" your shoulder. If your patch is on your right shoulder, and your canteen is OVER your right shoulder, the patch is hidden like a tattoo..

Doesn't seem like there are many things that can be worn "over" your shoulder, though.. even less than can be worn "on."

[Hitsuchi]

Necro but yeah, I dont get why I cant sheathe my shield on my back.

A duel you say good sir? Just let me retrieve my trusty shield from my trusty backpack! Haha! This isnt awkward at all!

Not to mention my five-cord spear that totally fits in there. I regard weapons and shields codedly "in pack" as being tied to the pack instead, in some fashion. Or sticking out at the top, if that's applicable.

And it took me half a year to realise I could wear something "over X shoulder" instead of "wear item; wear item;remove 2.item" to get it on the right shoulder.

[AreteX]

Mine is wrapped TIGHTLY around the hawk.

I laughed really loudly.  More than I should have.

[RogueGunslinger]

Mine is wrapped TIGHTLY around the hawk.

I laughed really loudly.  More than I should have.

Naw, it deserves a good laugh. I did too

[X-D]

Heh, It was a good one...I was likely drunk...wait, it took some of you  this long to get that one?

[RogueGunslinger]

I don't remember reading it... which is... strange.