Are people too focused on Mudsex?

[Potaje]

Mudsex versus Romance:

Mudsex, been there, not a fan and for this reason. Every time I have encountered the muidsex senerio my pc's partners had wanted to spend all our time ingame in pursuit of getting it on. It became laborious, felt no different than sitting in a training hall twinking my fighting skill, gave no real development to the relationship outwardly. What was done outside of the bedroom was minimal between the characters, as if the person logged in solely to get to the mudsex.
This Lead me to feel like this aspect was a determent to the over all story of our pc's lives. I don;t play the game to write some porn (even if its FTB).

Romance, this does not mean mudsex and holds for me a greater development in the personality and story. This can lead to a truer development of interdependence and trust in a partnership. The way I see and play this is that romance is more than the moon lite tea sipping on the balcony of the tea house listening to the musicians below filling the circle, which is pleasant, but also a bond that develops through an interaction of accomplishing goals together, helping each other achieve the things they desire to achieve (beyond getting your freak on.)

This I believe holds so much more impact in the game, I will give a few examples:

1. You and another only meet to have mudsex they die, meh, your sad you lament, but how much are you oocly effected beyond the point of having to now find a new partner. But with a romantic bond over time real emotions become attached.

2. With the above in mind we look at betrayal. Sure when your mudsexing there is a sort of trust, but when you get all assassinated/ murder sexed is it as shocking and gut wrenching or fraught with a keen developed sense of emotional rp as say when you have developed a romantic relationship.

An example:

Romance, Once I played a tribe-less city elf that meet this traveler, a breed that looked more elf than not and they began talking about life. At first he was trying to get it on with her or so the tone was. However I would always redirect the situation and making it about meeting places, seeing things together, sharing experiences and learning of his travels.
He would go out beyond the wall for long periods of time, we would way now and then, sharing feelings and desires and experiences we were having. After a year of this he shows up trying to talk my pc into leaving the city for the wilds where he would tend to her every need. She thought about this, but was a bard, and had many other aspect of social growth not to common for an elf in the city, going on.  
He would not stay around long in the city, always nervous, and in this my pc could see that there was a change coming over him. He leaves, and she is contacted by a white robe soon after, the robe begins grilling my pc on the other. My pc, a loyalist, is now put to the test; love of this person or love of the city-state. To top it off he is named a defiler. Imagine now my ooc skin crawling with all this developed relationship and the reality of the pc's life and beliefs shaken.
The robe wanted the (gently demanded) my pc to inform them of his presence next he comes to the city-state. My pc, in a moment of fear for her life, makes a choice. when he contacts her next she tells him she has given her mind over to him, that she is ready to leave the city walls forever and for him to come get her. He agrees and sets out to do so. She then contacts the robe and sets the trap.
Now the gripping moment comes when she is near the plains gates in the barrens, frightful of what is to happen when he realizes she has betrayed him, waiting for his arrival.

He arrives and the white robe is there like a snap of the fingers. His surprise was palpable, the expression the tone the words were gut wrenching. As he calls out " Its ok, I would die for you, I love you." as the soldiers drag him off.


Mudsex, I'm in the militia this hotty rolls on through and I'm looking like the rising cream of the crop so she gets the hots and we we start talking, next thing I know she's wanting to get a room. I think Cool lets get a room. He get our ftb on and next thing I know every time we are logged in she wants to skip training or be very late to mudsex. Couldn't get far down a road if the sun was dropping with out being pressed to the wall and made out with. It was taxing, added very little to the game, I had no real attachments developed other than superficially based on mudsexing. I began to hide from her and try to log in when she wasn't around. She fanaguled moving in with me and my roommate and  got all prego. I thought about pushing her down some stairs and instead road out on patrol and died. I was never so glad to be away from such a promising pc.

[tortall]

I will say up front that I haven't read most of this thread.

I just wanted to remark that I was once a well-known mudsexer, then I got an awesome fiance and I stopped. Guess what happened? Over the course of the first PC that didn't mudsex at all I got a lot more compliments from staff.

Also to Amanda G.....

The reason they want to get with the boobless PC over the gypo is.... The gypo might rob them blind, and you're an AMAZING RPer either way, SO.....

Just my two cents on that. :-D

[Akaramu]

I'm not Amanda! 

[bcw81]

Meh. Mudsexx is fun from time to time. The characters that keep you in bed for literally a year at a time are annoying and should be delt with by a knife to the back. Relationships are where, get this, the relationship RP prospers. Not any one part, but all of it combined. Mudsexx, loving words, changing and developing with/for the lover, keeping together despite odds, even the breakups.

I don't know about y'all, but I play this game to be a fictional person in a fictional world. I don't play to be an asexual badass forever and always.

[maxid]

A really good post

The only issue I have with all of this is that sometimes it seems like almost everyone is doing it, and so it's hard to call them out.  Or, it seems like it's people in positions of massive power that suffer no repercussions from anyone, and are more or less untouchable do it can be rough to try and enforce it, since they have a half dozen master assassins who -don't- enforce it, and instead get all up in your grill for acting disgusted.

[Delirium]

A really good post

The only issue I have with all of this is that sometimes it seems like almost everyone is doing it, and so it's hard to call them out.  Or, it seems like it's people in positions of massive power that suffer no repercussions from anyone, and are more or less untouchable do it can be rough to try and enforce it, since they have a half dozen master assassins who -don't- enforce it, and instead get all up in your grill for acting disgusted.

In that case (which seems a touch hyperbolic), I'd think the recourse would be to mention it to staff.

[Sav]

I don't know if it's the sleep dep or the sinus infection, but some of the posts on this last page are truly fantastic if you read them in Dramatic Movie Trailer or Inspiring Halftime Speech voices.

[maxid]

A really good post

The only issue I have with all of this is that sometimes it seems like almost everyone is doing it, and so it's hard to call them out.  Or, it seems like it's people in positions of massive power that suffer no repercussions from anyone, and are more or less untouchable do it can be rough to try and enforce it, since they have a half dozen master assassins who -don't- enforce it, and instead get all up in your grill for acting disgusted.

In that case (which seems a touch hyperbolic), I'd think the recourse would be to mention it to staff.

Obvious hyperbole is obvious  .  I'm just illustrating that while Red Ranger gave great advice, it doesn't always work out due to IC junk, so it may seem like nobody cares, even when they do.

[Kismetic]

Just as with most things in life, there should be balance, moderation.  Sex, intimacy, these are common life experiences.  In a world as harsh as Z-lanth, procreation is as important as ever, surely.  However, I believe the OP is certainly correct, if this is happening.  As mentioned, it's no different than spam sparring, over hunting, excessive tavern sitting, and the host of other things that are not taboo to get righteous about on the GDB, so c'mon ...  Don't get your pantaloons in a wad.  

Also ... If you're mudsexing all the time, staff are probably just not going to bother watching you.  You're just hurting yourself.

[bcw81]

Apparently staff watch me all the time. :c

Spotted sexing up REDACTED, REDACTED half elf. Not sure anyone knows yet.

[Sav]

Apparently staff watch me all the time. :c

Spotted sexing up REDACTED, REDACTED half elf. Not sure anyone knows yet.

On the bright side, at least they didn't join in? During a very compromising but not-yet-explicit scene on another game, with two characters in an IC-stigmatized relationship in a private room, one of the staff swung by, watched for a while, and decided to animate up a vNPC.

Awkward. Hilarious, but awkward.

[bcw81]

Apparently staff watch me all the time. :c

Spotted sexing up REDACTED, REDACTED half elf. Not sure anyone knows yet.

On the bright side, at least they didn't join in? During a very compromising but not-yet-explicit scene on another game, with two characters in an IC-stigmatized relationship in a private room, one of the staff swung by, watched for a while, and decided to animate up a vNPC.

Awkward. Hilarious, but awkward.

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You smell a pungent, acrid smell wafting up from your partner's nether region.

[Fredd]

I've been around a long time and the last year or so I'm starting to get the impression that many people are playing the game primarily to mudsex. Even to the point of disregarding norms in order to virtually: Get me some.
A litte over a year ago, I had a halfbreed character, obviously a halfbreed, with a mutation even. Everyone, was trying to fuck her. Male, female, full-blooded humans, full-blooded elves, it didn't matter. Her being a halfbreed alone should've deterred most of these people and she had a mutation on top of it. It seems that all of my characters over the past year and a half to two years now have had to fight would-be lovers off with a stick. People seem to be changing everything about their character's lives just for the opportunity to mudsex, quitting jobs, sexing with magickers, breeds, or anything that moves regardless of possible ic consequences.

Is it only me that is seeing this or are others seeing it too?

Sure, sex is a realistic part of playing a character but I'm feeling that lately it has become the primary focus of people's play these days. They just want to go sit in a tavern and try to find people to fuck to the exclusion of their job, their reputation, or anything else. Starting to think I'm surrounded by horny teenagers lately but it could just be happening to me I suppose.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

I think I remember that breed. I liked her if it was the one I'm thinking of.

But I agree. Soooooo many people eschew there normal goals and duty's lately to knock virtual boots.

I'll admit that I have partaken in the virtual fruit. But even with pc's that had mates or whatever it wasn't as often as people these days seem to be doing it. I've had a burgler litterally sneak in behind someone, and end up watching about 6 hours of straight mudsex, trapped in the room. At one point more people joined, but it took six hours before this guy was aparently out of juice.

[timb]

I've had a burgler litterally sneak in behind someone, and end up watching about 6 hours of straight mudsex, trapped in the room. At one point more people joined, but it took six hours before this guy was aparently out of juice.

More folks need to just make PCS that can only last a few minutes, just tell the other PC your sorry about that and then roll over and fall asleep, letting all sneaky sneaks  get away.

[Fredd]

I've had a burgler litterally sneak in behind someone, and end up watching about 6 hours of straight mudsex, trapped in the room. At one point more people joined, but it took six hours before this guy was aparently out of juice.

More folks need to just make PCS that can only last a few minutes, just tell the other PC your sorry about that and then roll over and fall asleep, letting all sneaky sneaks  get away.

LOL agreed.

I was honestly considering going "ooc: I request a fade"


LOL.

But then I thought to myself " i probably wouldn't get out alive"

[RogueGunslinger]

I probably would have tried to murder them both.

[TheBadSeed]

I've always assumed people were much more obsessed with discussing mudsex on the GDB than being/not-being involved in mudsex in the game.

That pretty well sums it up.

This is thread eight thousand or something that deals with mud-sex.

In the game, who gives a shit? Play your character, do what you want, how you want, as long as you are following the rules of consent. If you want to whore it out wiht kinky shit, do it. If you want a loving scene, do it. If you want to FTB, do it. If you want to avoid it altogether, do it.

The game is an alternative reality. Play how you want to play.

[Dresan]

Oh, its another mudsex thread again.


It must be time for me start playing again and role a new character. 


Just so i don't get accused of derailing or trolling (again):

In my experience:

1. I've seen people go out of their way to play characters with absolutely no sexual interest in sex more so then the so called legendary f-me pc (a character which I've never really encountered).

2. A lot of people heading to the back rooms looking as if getting ready to sex like no tomorrow are back there plotting most of the time.

3. Role-playing sex or relationships in whatever way you feel comfortable with is a great way to start personal plots, which can be entertaining as we all wait for the next copper war to erupt.

[FantasyWriter]

Three mudsex scenes for the elven tribes, out in the sands.
Seven for the dwarven stumps... bumpity bump.
Nine for mortal men doomed to die...
From some STD or a blade hidden between their lover's thighs.

After 12 hours of work, that's all I've got.... sorry in advance.

[AreteX]

For some reason this topic comes up and seems to be one of the few issues that nobody seems to condemn even when it is openly talking about people's play style and habits on the GDB.  There have been many references to "lately" or "recently" and speaking in a bad light about someone role playing out a sexual scene.

Why does this not come up when it comes to murder, betrayal, torture or crafting boneswords so someone can chop someone up with them?  I've never really understood why these OOC judgements come down on people for this specific role play but never any of the others.  I don't see anyone bringing up threads about, "Hey, have you all noticed that Crafters/Merchants craft too much and sell too many things?"  "Have you all noticed recently that people seem to be concentrated too much on hunting, salting, insert role play option here?"  I also don't see this OOC perceived perception that someone who murders/tortures in-game is somehow a deviant OOCly as well, but for whatever reason this is often suggested for people who engage in sexual scenes.

I don't ever see anyone speak about how a conversation in a tavern might take four hours OOCly and four in-game days and nobody even bats an eye to the fact that eight people just sat around drinking ale and discussing the finer points of life without taking a nap or anything.

There are all sorts of activities in this game that take OOC time that translates into unrealistic IC time... but that is just the nature of waiting for players to respond and typing/role playing.  These threads come up every so often and it just seems to me like it an open thread to judge other people's style of role play and likely make people who engage in these scenes feel like they are being judged.

Focus on what you want to focus on.  Everyone gets their enjoyment through different ways on Armageddon and I never see anyone judging Amos for hunting or doing anything that isn't against the rules.  Play your character and do what you want with them.  If you want to harass/persecute someone ICly because of their sexual actions... do it!

Just stop taking critiques and judgements on someone's role play to an open forum like the GDB and mentioning things such as "recently" because anyone involved "recently" with these types of scenarios are likely to feel as if they are being judged.  Use the request tool if you really are having an issue, otherwise, keep it IC and deal with the issue that way..

That's just my opinion :/

[palomar]

A really good post

The only issue I have with all of this is that sometimes it seems like almost everyone is doing it, and so it's hard to call them out.  Or, it seems like it's people in positions of massive power that suffer no repercussions from anyone, and are more or less untouchable do it can be rough to try and enforce it, since they have a half dozen master assassins who -don't- enforce it, and instead get all up in your grill for acting disgusted.

In that case (which seems a touch hyperbolic), I'd think the recourse would be to mention it to staff.

Obvious hyperbole is obvious  .  I'm just illustrating that while Red Ranger gave great advice, it doesn't always work out due to IC junk, so it may seem like nobody cares, even when they do.

Not sure about Allanak, but I am under the impression that intimate interracial relations are frowned upon IC in Tuluk (most of the time). Caste-crossing (noble/commoner intimate relations) is to go directly against the documentation and will be treated accordingly by staff (and IC where/if suitable).  Relations with outsiders (read, filthy southrons) could need some fresh hate though...

I personally don't care for mudsex, but if people want to do it, sure. Just stick to social norms, documentation etc as you would in regards to the rest of your RP.

[ShaLeah]

Why does this not come up when it comes to murder, betrayal, torture or crafting boneswords so someone can chop someone up with them?  I've never really understood why these OOC judgements come down on people for this specific role play but never any of the others.  I don't see anyone bringing up threads about, "Hey, have you all noticed that Crafters/Merchants craft too much and sell too many things?"  "Have you all noticed recently that people seem to be concentrated too much on hunting, salting, insert role play option here?"  I also don't see this OOC perceived perception that someone who murders/tortures in-game is somehow a deviant OOCly as well, but for whatever reason this is often suggested for people who engage in sexual scenes.

I don't ever see anyone speak about how a conversation in a tavern might take four hours OOCly and four in-game days and nobody even bats an eye to the fact that eight people just sat around drinking ale and discussing the finer points of life without taking a nap or anything.

There are all sorts of activities in this game that take OOC time that translates into unrealistic IC time... but that is just the nature of waiting for players to respond and typing/role playing.  These threads come up every so often and it just seems to me like it an open thread to judge other people's style of role play and likely make people who engage in these scenes feel like they are being judged.

Focus on what you want to focus on.  Everyone gets their enjoyment through different ways on Armageddon and I never see anyone judging Amos for hunting or doing anything that isn't against the rules.  Play your character and do what you want with them.  If you want to harass/persecute someone ICly because of their sexual actions... do it!

Just stop taking critiques and judgements on someone's role play to an open forum like the GDB and mentioning things such as "recently" because anyone involved "recently" with these types of scenarios are likely to feel as if they are being judged.  Use the request tool if you really are having an issue, otherwise, keep it IC and deal with the issue that way..

There have been multiple studies on sex and shame. It's definitely a carry over of real life limits and judgements. Everytime I see a slutty lesbian in game I think "MALE PLAYER!!" and I make a conscious effort to redirect my thoughts cause I know that it's assumed cause of todays social standards and forced moral lines. It's universal, nice girls don't fuck on the first date. You want a lady in the streets and a whore in the bedroom. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free. Same gender sex  is bad. You don't bring a slut home to Momma. Men with sexual conquests are dogs but forgiven, girls on the other hand, sully their reputation and are called sluts.

Why are we still talking about it? Because sex makes people the most uncomfortable and we judge everyone else by our limits. Look at all the opinions on the matter just in this thread.

The close association between sex and shame is one of the oldest topics in psychoanalysis. Attention to this special coupling stems from our field's first understanding of mental functioning being set within a culture of concern with the mores and niceties of fin de siìcle twentieth-century Europe; from the Judaic and Christian culture of its founders and followers and their traditional views of women that supported the coupling of sex and shame; and from the surround of Western cultures that from the eighteenth century progressively understood individuation and selfhood as valuable psychological acquisitions. Self-consciousness is necessary before shame or its more sophisticated cousin, guilt, can be expressed verbally. The affect of shame, as Darwin noted in his 1872 study of the emotions, is universally signaled physiologically and nonverbally with blushing, downcast eyes, gaze avoidance, and is apparent in all cultures.

1872! Two HUNDRED years ago they were studying this shame shit.

Being one of those people who play characters who have broken down other character's standards and been the exception to LOTS of shit, I personally think that witnessing it and acting on having witnessed it can only make the game's conflict level rise and be even more immersive. One character alone broke down tons of Armageddon social stigma.

This isn't the first "people are spending too much time on sexual roleplay" post, it won't be the last.

Deal with it IC, as your character, not what you as a person thinks is acceptable or not.

[palomar]

Being one of those people who play characters who have broken down other character's standards and been the exception to LOTS of shit, I personally think that witnessing it and acting on having witnessed it can only make the game's conflict level rise and be even more immersive. One character alone broke down tons of Armageddon social stigma.

This isn't the first "people are spending too much time on sexual roleplay" post, it won't be the last.

Deal with it IC, as your character, not what you as a person thinks is acceptable or not.

Playing the extreme and the exception is all good, as long as you as a player understand that the game world (as in v/NPCs PCs) will/should react to it for what it is. I'm not sure I understand what kind of standards you refer to, but I'm guessing it's about relation/sexual RP due to the topic of the thread.  I'm curious what kind of social stigma your character broke down, and if it had lasting effects on the player base and/or documentation. I hope you won't mind sharing, if it isn't IC sensitive.

[ShaLeah]

I'm curious what kind of social stigma your character broke down, and if it had lasting effects on the player base and/or documentation. I hope you won't mind sharing, if it isn't IC sensitive.

A long, long time ago:

I played a GMH family member that got a Templar in trouble for falling stupidly, devotedly in love with her and wanting to claim the bastard she was carrying. She had big ass scary templar in charge (NPC) berating her how she ruined his career. He ended up trying to prove his loyalty to the city and did a suicide run against a filthy sorceror.

I played a successful MUTANT whore in the South.

I played a mundane who fell head over heels in love with a Krathi whom everyone knew were a couple and played accordingly.

Lots more, most I have forgotten but the ones I remember are way too recent. One character alone, haysoos, the shit that bitch did.

[Nyr]

Did your GMH family member understand that this was a problem/or could be an issue?  Overall that's not really a big deal, though.  Templars can be dumb, and so can GMH family members!
Was your "mutant's" mutation a "sexy" mutation, or was it something actually grotesque?  (Did people even know this was a mutation?)
Did your mundane ever expect the Krathi to burn his/her bits off?  Did your mundane have prejudices against magick at all?  When you say everyone knew they were a couple and played accordingly, did they treat both of you like crap?