Discuss pending change to flee from Staff Announcements

[X-D]

I have to agree, the biggest problem I see is surprise Face Noms due to other code limitations not the things which hide.

[Celest]

I have to agree, the biggest problem I see is surprise Face Noms due to other code limitations not the things which hide.

This was my initial concern, but now I'm considering how this is going to make opportunistic kills that much easier by utilizing NPCs to get bonuses on flee-attacks. It'll make killing people a lot easier, anyway, and so areas of the game which are dangerous are going to become even more so.

[Dar]

I dont understand. What do you mean by opportunistic kills? You mean leading soldiers into a fray? Or attacking someone while they're already being attacked by some animal?

Either way ... PCs will remain PCs. They're always dangerous. The other PCs will just have to be this much more wary of it all. It's the Mek situation that concerns me more. But ... eh, that's why when you travel deep in in certain areas, you're always risking your neck. Always, always, always. Before the flee change or after. With a maxed warrior or 0 day new chara.

[NOFUN]

Edit: Wrong thread, sorry.

[evilcabbage]

After seeing this code take effect, I gotta say, it's preeeeeeetty sweet. Muy gracias for implementing it, and props for the skill in which it was implemented!

[Jingo]

Feeling a lot better about this now that staff are tweaking here and there.

[Yam]

I really like this change.

[Kol]

I really like this change.

+1

[Romy]

Feeling a lot better about this now that staff are tweaking here and there.

[gfair]

The "parting shot" sucks for practice training, and trying to limit damage to 2/3rds which is the suggested cutoff point. A surprise, strong hit, then flee, and one or two more free strikes from the enemy character means they can push a character not only past 2/3rds but into the range that HP doesn't recover from.

IC it also plays like a punitive action: the opponent deliberately follows someone who has been hit enough, to try to hit again. It makes no sense in a training environment. It is a code-enforced action that the character may not even want to do.

The one suggestion I can add (and most likely others have mentioned already): make the parting shot toggle-able with Mercy. When Mercy is on, there should be no parting shots.

[Yam]

The one suggestion I can add (and most likely others have mentioned already): make the parting shot toggle-able with Mercy. When Mercy is on, there should be no parting shots.

Agree with either this or a no-save parting shot toggle.

[Down Under]

The one suggestion I can add (and most likely others have mentioned already): make the parting shot toggle-able with Mercy. When Mercy is on, there should be no parting shots.

Agree with either this or a no-save parting shot toggle.

Absolutely 100% should be this way.

[Bacon]

The one suggestion I can add (and most likely others have mentioned already): make the parting shot toggle-able with Mercy. When Mercy is on, there should be no parting shots.

Agree with either this or a no-save parting shot toggle.

Absolutely 100% should be this way.

I'd be happy with either suggestion myself but I'd prefer tying it in with mercy. Mercy on, no parting shot. My character should not be forced to try a parting shot on someone if they icly wouldn't do it in a given situation such as sparring. Maybe somebody jumps my char and my char starts kicking their ass but doesn't want to kill them, just beat them down until they run off.

[Synthesis]

Having a toggle would be fine, but not with the existing mercy code.  There are times you might want to take the last shot for a chance to incapacitate someone.  In those cases, you want mercy on -and- you want to take the parting shot, as well.

[Bacon]

Having a toggle would be fine, but not with the existing mercy code.  There are times you might want to take the last shot for a chance to incapacitate someone.  In those cases, you want mercy on -and- you want to take the parting shot, as well.

Good point. A separate toggle would be a better idea.

[Kol]

Having a toggle would be fine, but not with the existing mercy code.  There are times you might want to take the last shot for a chance to incapacitate someone.  In those cases, you want mercy on -and- you want to take the parting shot, as well.

Good point. A separate toggle would be a better idea.

[Marauder Moe]

Ummm... having it toggle with mercy would defeat the purpose of being able to train up your flee skill, as would a separate toggle if standard practice was to take it off during training.

[Synthesis]

Ummm... having it toggle with mercy would defeat the purpose of being able to train up your flee skill, as would a separate toggle if standard practice was to take it off during training.

What?

[Morgenes]

Ummm... having it toggle with mercy would defeat the purpose of being able to train up your flee skill, as would a separate toggle if standard practice was to take it off during training.

What?

The point of adding in the extra attacks was to give a skill test for flee.  If the person you're fighting withholds the attacks, there will be no flee contest, so you won't be training flee.

[Bacon]

Still, you should have the option of holding the attack if you choose. You can then intentionally train on that if it's what your characters want to work on but not be forced to if it's not something you want to do in different situations.

There's nothing stopping you from telling them in training: I'm going to try to break out of the fight and get away without you hitting me, try and stop me from getting away and take a shot at me if you can.

[Morgenes]

Still, you should have the option of holding the attack if you choose. You can then intentionally train on that if it's what your characters want to work on but not be forced to if it's not something you want to do in different situations.

There's nothing stopping you from telling them in training: I'm going to try to break out of the fight and get away without you hitting me, try and stop me from getting away and take a shot at me if you can.

Sure.

[Titania]

Ummm... having it toggle with mercy would defeat the purpose of being able to train up your flee skill, as would a separate toggle if standard practice was to take it off during training.

What?

The point of adding in the extra attacks was to give a skill test for flee.  If the person you're fighting withholds the attacks, there will be no flee contest, so you won't be training flee.

Don't see why you just couldn't give the skill test to the act of fleeing instead of trying to not get hit fleeing. And the point is mute if people are too scared to try in a sparring setting.

[Morgenes]

Ummm... having it toggle with mercy would defeat the purpose of being able to train up your flee skill, as would a separate toggle if standard practice was to take it off during training.

What?

The point of adding in the extra attacks was to give a skill test for flee.  If the person you're fighting withholds the attacks, there will be no flee contest, so you won't be training flee.

Don't see why you just couldn't give the skill test to the act of fleeing instead of trying to not get hit fleeing. And the point is mute if people are too scared to try in a sparring setting.

Because there needs to be a consequence to the failure.  I assure you that if the skill test was to actually get away or not, there would be a HUGE amount of complaints, and sparring would not be fixed as simply as adding a new mercy flag.

[brytta.leofa]

What we need now is a modest delay added to flee.  </helpful>

[Titania]

Uh the consequence is that you do not move into the next room?