What's with all of you and Mudsex?

[Kismetic]

On the other hand, I certainly do not want to corrupt anyone's children.  However, if I wanted to play a game that was pg 13 I wouldn't be playing Arm.

Ultimately, what I was trying to express.

[valeria]

If you don't want to run the risk of mudsexing with a minor... don't mudsex.  It is really the only way to be sure, and there is no other way around it.  It is not the staff's responsibility to figure out which players are under age.  And all of that is self-reporting anyway.  When I was a minor I frequently told websites I was above the age of 18 .

[SMuz]

I personally wouldn't let my kids play Armageddon. Maybe not even my wife. It's a bad game, with brutal torture, tons of blood, rape, poop, extreme discrimination. Mudsex is probably the least of my worries. The main problem is that it's possibly illegal. I find it to be a really weird thing to be worried about, because I used to find some far worse things when I was 12. Eventually, I just learned to lie and say I was 18, because that was what they wanted to hear.

I suppose the best you can do is ask if they're over 18 when you ask for consent, get a dishonest response if they really are under 18, and roll with it. It's still a roleplaying game, and as far as I'm concerned, my 30 year old half-elf is having sex with that 14 year old elf, not the 17 year old human playing the elf.

[spicemustflow]

Maybe not even my wife.

Why, is she minor?

[Ktavialt]

I was waiting for that tired line.  I even prefaced its' futile use.  This is also about being responsible for one's own actions.

"Oh, I didn't know" is not an acceptable excuse.  "Oh, I didn't care" is not even excusable.

I'm going to shut up, though.  All I've heard is that I'm wrong for thinking so, and that disturbs me a little.

I love how we want to play in a world filled with its own brand of racism since it adds a certain flavor to the difficulties, but then lets shield our children's eyes to its concepts.  Its like the radio playing rap songs with curse words bleeped out.  Do you really think your kid doesn't know how to finish this sentence "... I blast 'em with my GAT while I duck, all the time never giving a [BLEEP]"?

If we are really concerned that a fantasy internet text game (as neato as it is) is going to corrupt our society's children we really need to re-think the viability of the human race as a whole.

[maxid]

If we are really concerned that a fantasy internet text game (as neato as it is) is going to corrupt our society's children we really need to re-think the viability of the human race as a whole.

It's a legal issue, this whole conversation is getting nowhere.

[Kismetic]

It's still a roleplaying game, and as far as I'm concerned, my 30 year old half-elf is having sex with that 14 year old elf, not the 17 year old human playing the elf.

I know this, SMuz.  It's not like I thought Chris Hansen was going to bust through my door asking why I wanted to "kank a 17-year old."  

[Zerero]

I personally wouldn't let my kids play Armageddon. Maybe not even my wife. It's a bad game, with brutal torture, tons of blood, rape, poop, extreme discrimination. Mudsex is probably the least of my worries. The main problem is that it's possibly illegal. I find it to be a really weird thing to be worried about, because I used to find some far worse things when I was 12. Eventually, I just learned to lie and say I was 18, because that was what they wanted to hear.

I suppose the best you can do is ask if they're over 18 when you ask for consent, get a dishonest response if they really are under 18, and roll with it. It's still a roleplaying game, and as far as I'm concerned, my 30 year old half-elf is having sex with that 14 year old elf, not the 17 year old human playing the elf.

POOP! BAHAHA....eh 

This discussion has been severly set off course...I like it.

[MeTekillot]

I'm pretty sure it's not illegal to textually depict sexual things to someone who says they want things depicted, even if they are a minor.

[Wasteland Raider]

If they can prove in the courts that it is pornographic - which they can - then it is.

[Samoa]

I'm pretty sure it's not illegal to textually depict sexual things to someone who says they want things depicted, even if they are a minor.

It is.

[Feco]

Deeerrrraaaaaiiilllll.

I'm pretty sure it's not illegal to textually depict sexual things to someone who says they want things depicted, even if they are a minor.

It is.

I think it may be illegal to transmit sexual messages to a minor, and I'm not even sure if "consent" or them giving a false age would exonerate you.  I doubt, however, anyone would be charged with something based on some text exchanged over some game.

I'm not a lawyer nor am I particular familiar with laws dealing with the topic.  So.  Grain of salt.

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[maxid]

I'm pretty sure it's not illegal to textually depict sexual things to someone who says they want things depicted, even if they are a minor.

Welp.  You're wrong though.  Sorry?

[Wasteland Raider]

I have a better question: as long as it's not hurting your roleplay experience in some way, and it's not harming the game, then what's with you all and judging what other people enjoy?

If two people want to meet up behind closed doors and do all manner of filthy, horrible, terrible things together - so long as it's not two people who have no IC reason to be together - what harm is it doing to you?

Enjoy your roleplay and stop worrying about other peoples'. The game gets a lot more fun.

[Kismetic]

[Malifaxis]

I have a better question: as long as it's not hurting your roleplay experience in some way, and it's not harming the game, then what's with you all and judging what other people enjoy?

If two people want to meet up behind closed doors and do all manner of filthy, horrible, terrible things together - so long as it's not two people who have no IC reason to be together - what harm is it doing to you?

Enjoy your roleplay and stop worrying about other peoples'. The game gets a lot more fun.

This post makes me wish my sig allowance was bigger.

[Ocotillo]

Sig allowance is also too small for Mekillot's tressy-tressed maiden snippet. :/

[Reiteration]

Would I be required to ask for consent each time I moved a room if I made the greased up deaf guy from Family Guy?

[BleakOne]

Meh, just FTB then. No chance of the Moral Guardian Squad taking offense with that... and leaves more time for finding out new cooking recipes too.

[Kismetic]

I never said anything that wasn't in the faith of alerting people to a potential gross social and moral error.  I never said I want to police your roleplay.  I question your ability to think (and read) clearly.

Edited to remove personal bias. 

[Kalai]

I sincerely hope no one's going to sue all the sites I lied about my age to when I was younger.   

[valeria]

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I thought about maybe posting something (because I just very recently did a child pornography problem and a lot of stuff is fresh in my mind), but then I realized since it might apply to someone's specific situation around here, so it would be too close to giving legal advice for me to be able to comment.

But it does amuse me that we're way more concerned with the sexual content near-adults might see, and way less worried about the violent content.  It always does.

[Zoltan]

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I thought about maybe posting something (because I just very recently did a child pornography problem and a lot of stuff is fresh in my mind), but then I realized since it might apply to someone's specific situation around here, so it would be too close to giving legal advice for me to be able to comment.

But it does amuse me that we're way more concerned with the sexual content near-adults might see, and way less worried about the violent content.  It always does.

Indeed. We agree on a lot of things, Val. We should hook up IRL instead of mudsexin' our half-elves all the time! I'm 18+, by the way... AROUND.

Anyway, mudsex... used to do it a lot, but now it's too time consuming (when I'm actually playing, that is). Nowadays, I typically do it for a first encounter, or when I want to make sure there's a chance of getting caught going at it. Or especially if it will actually have some sort of character development involved. My PCs that just want to bang one out are going to lean heavily towards the FTB, but I usually put up both options for the other player(s) if I know I have time. As time has worn on, I've become less and less willing to play ApartmentMUD, which is what seems to happen when you never FTB. It can be fun (and in some cases, funny) though, and I certainly don't fault anyone for doing it, just as I don't fault them for being murderous, lying bastards. It's just another one of those dimensions that can make a character feel more full and real.

Oh, a practice I really like for when my characters are in a "serious" regular relationship is to just do a quick OOC with the other player to see if it's acceptable to assume that a lot of the day-to-day, relationship-maintaining boning happens off screen. This is especially useful for when I have a PC that actually needs to Get Shit Done. 

[Booya]

But it does amuse me that we're way more concerned with the sexual content near-adults might see, and way less worried about the violent content.  It always does.

This always has me scratching my head, each time these tpics crop up.

And i'm sorry, i'm not going ask for consent each time my character says "fuck", or send in a player complaint because someone emoted staring at my character's boobies without asking OOC first!

If you're likely to get offended by things not covered in the consent rule, you have to ask yourself what you're doing playing a game that clearly states it's adult, violent, and where sexual promiscuity is the norm.  

Edit for better clarity.