State of the game poll

[Marshmellow]

I think YOU are generalizing.  You are applying your specific experience to the game as if it is everyone's experience and stating that change should be made to repair everything... when you're the only one complaining.

[Bogre]

I don't play enough anymore to know- I think things go on with my clan and whatnot, but I am not really caught up that much.

[musashi]

I think YOU are generalizing.  You are applying your specific experience to the game as if it is everyone's experience and stating that change should be made to repair everything... when you're the only one complaining.

Sunburned may be the only person to have brought up the idea that there are too many magickers running around in the last say, 6 posts of this thread ... but that's a sentiment that is held by a significant portion of the player base, and it surfaces on the boards with a cyclic consistency.

Sunburned is by no means the only person to have ever complained about that.

[Is Friday]

Are there too many magickers in the world, or too many lone wandering rangers for those magickers to hide from?

[musashi]

Whether the sentiment is justified is another kettle of fish entirely  

I was just pointing out that even a cursory search of the GDB will show that Sunburned is not the only one to have spoken up about the ratio of 'gickers to mundanes.

It's a popular topic.

[Pale Horse]

Alright!  The obligatory "I hate magickers" comment has been made.  Judging from the length of the mini-debate, we've got another 4 more posts to go before someone turns it back around.

Next, we have half-elves.  There being too many of them, that is.

After that is the Tan Muark, followed by Merchants, before we come back to Magickers.

Let's get hopping, people!

[wizturbo]

I was just pointing out that even a cursory search of the GDB will show that Sunburned is not the only one to have spoken up about the ratio of 'gickers to mundanes.

This is a game design issue.  There are a total of six mundane guilds.  There are 9 magick/psionic guilds, plus templars.  Mundanes are actually the overwhelmingly popular choice as far as I can tell, seeing as I don't believe the magicker population is anywhere even remotely near 60% of the population of the game.

[Potaje]

Question:    How do you find the Armageddon experience these days, in terms of action?



I think you all are on a major derail from this threads intention.

[Sam]

Kudos to all you crazies that read this thread. I can tell that you are kicking the plots into overdrive.


I am definately satisfied with Arm. Especially after a two week break.

[BleakOne]

Personally, I like plots but they're not entirely needed for me to have fun. Getting by, making enemies and friends, making mistakes and occasionally exploring (with chars that can do so, anyway) keeps me well entertained.

That said, more plots is good.

[Zoan]

I think there are far too many assassins, and not enough magickers.

[Cindy42]

I've decided, due to the lack of good RP I've experienced in a few types of roles, that I'm going to attempt to create random and simple plots which are easiest for those roles to be involved in. No more shall be said, except that there's nothing wrong with what I'm doing.

[Ocotillo]

I intend to make vague references to doing something (or not seeing things done) that I can't talk about, so like find out IC, but I will subtly drop references to at least three different parts of the game so you don't know wtf is going on.

[maxid]

I intend to make vague references to doing something (or not seeing things done) that I can't talk about, so like find out IC, but I will subtly drop references to at least three different parts of the game so you don't know wtf is going on.

The entire GDB in one post.

[Synthesis]

I intend to make vague references to doing something (or not seeing things done) that I can't talk about, so like find out IC, but I will subtly drop references to at least three different parts of the game so you don't know wtf is going on.

The entire GDB in one post.

That's basically all we're allowed to do because of the rules, not because we want to lord our knowledge over you.  So people who know things have two options:  1) ignore ignorance when it appears on the GDB or 2) challenge it, but without the ability to bring concrete facts to bear.

If you don't like it...sorry.  That's just the way it is.

[maxid]

I intend to make vague references to doing something (or not seeing things done) that I can't talk about, so like find out IC, but I will subtly drop references to at least three different parts of the game so you don't know wtf is going on.

The entire GDB in one post.

That's basically all we're allowed to do because of the rules, not because we want to lord our knowledge over you.  So people who know things have two options:  1) ignore ignorance when it appears on the GDB or 2) challenge it, but without the ability to bring concrete facts to bear.

If you don't like it...sorry.  That's just the way it is.

I don't remember saying I didn't like it.  I'm actually one of the old timers, who knows what people are talking about 99% of the time, I just found it an amusing quote.

[Ocotillo]

Synthesis - I think for some people, including you, that's true. I think there are also those who get carried away with the allusions and/or genuinely get a kick out of being mysterious about it.

That said, my intention was less to be angry than satirical.

[My 2 sids]

Alright!  The obligatory "I hate magickers" comment has been made.  Judging from the length of the mini-debate, we've got another 4 more posts to go before someone turns it back around.

Next, we have half-elves.  There being too many of them, that is.

After that is the Tan Muark, followed by Merchants, before we come back to Magickers.

Let's get hopping, people!

You know, when we read the Docs and outline of Zalanthas everything seems logical:  it is a hypercritical society with a lot of stereotypes and hate; yet somehow all these 'groups' still[/] manage to exist.    Consequently, I think it may be a player-perception issue when we see X-type PCs and think they aren't representing what would be the norm.

For instance, Docs say some magickers are easier to hire than others.  Thus, unless your PC has a particular hate -- buy water from PCs, take a magicker out with your hunting party, whatever. 

Merchants -- they're all over!  Sure, GMH are huge but judging by the numbers of VNPCs, NPCs, and the districts in which Merchants live; GMH aren't the only ones making money.

I guess to make a long post shorter,  we just need to realize that all PC types exist (and should exist) and so we need to figure out better how to interact with one another more (like all the VNPCs and NPCs do on a regular basis)

[jhunter]

Consequently, I think it may be a player-perception issue when we see X-type PCs and think they aren't representing what would be the norm.

Sorry for continuing the derail but I did want to comment on this. This is exactly what I think the root of the problem is. Everyone's opinion of what "rare" is exactly or what the "norm" is according to -their- interpretation of the documentation varies to some degree and everyone believes that -their- interpretation is the correct one and all others that differ are wrong.

[Cindy42]

let me put my Allanak face on, and restate my objective. i totally don't want this to be mysterious. it'd be odd and there'd be no point.

LET'S MAKE MORE EFFORTS TO BRING PLOTS TO THE UNCLANNED AND PUT THE UNCLANNED IN MORE PLOTS. LET'S DO IT, PEOPLES.

[Zoltan]

let me put my Allanak face on, and restate my objective. i totally don't want this to be mysterious. it'd be odd and there'd be no point.

LET'S MAKE MORE EFFORTS TO BRING PLOTS TO THE UNCLANNED AND PUT THE UNCLANNED IN MORE PLOTS. LET'S DO IT, PEOPLES.

No. 

When I'm unclanned, that's just what I do. When I'm clanned, the unclanned can suck it! Join a clan, become more deeply involved with the background and foundation of the world, and hopefully get to sample the fruits of sponsored roles' labors. Unclanned people know what they're in for when they want to do everything themselves.

[Saellyn]

let me put my Allanak face on, and restate my objective. i totally don't want this to be mysterious. it'd be odd and there'd be no point.

LET'S MAKE MORE EFFORTS TO BRING PLOTS TO THE UNCLANNED AND PUT THE UNCLANNED IN MORE PLOTS. LET'S DO IT, PEOPLES.

No. 

When I'm unclanned, that's just what I do. When I'm clanned, the unclanned can suck it! Join a clan, become more deeply involved with the background and foundation of the world, and hopefully get to sample the fruits of sponsored roles' labors. Unclanned people know what they're in for when they want to do everything themselves.

Sorry, some people go unclanned because they're sick of being in clans, or afraid to. Just because a person is unclanned does not mean they shouldn't be included in plots. In fact, sometimes an unclanned person can offer a better/different perspective on a plot, and therefore make it more interesting.

[Zoltan]

let me put my Allanak face on, and restate my objective. i totally don't want this to be mysterious. it'd be odd and there'd be no point.

LET'S MAKE MORE EFFORTS TO BRING PLOTS TO THE UNCLANNED AND PUT THE UNCLANNED IN MORE PLOTS. LET'S DO IT, PEOPLES.

No. 

When I'm unclanned, that's just what I do. When I'm clanned, the unclanned can suck it! Join a clan, become more deeply involved with the background and foundation of the world, and hopefully get to sample the fruits of sponsored roles' labors. Unclanned people know what they're in for when they want to do everything themselves.

Sorry, some people go unclanned because they're sick of being in clans, or afraid to. Just because a person is unclanned does not mean they shouldn't be included in plots. In fact, sometimes an unclanned person can offer a better/different perspective on a plot, and therefore make it more interesting.

So do that. I've played plenty of unclanned characters myself.

[Cutthroat]

let me put my Allanak face on, and restate my objective. i totally don't want this to be mysterious. it'd be odd and there'd be no point.

LET'S MAKE MORE EFFORTS TO BRING PLOTS TO THE UNCLANNED AND PUT THE UNCLANNED IN MORE PLOTS. LET'S DO IT, PEOPLES.

No. 

When I'm unclanned, that's just what I do. When I'm clanned, the unclanned can suck it! Join a clan, become more deeply involved with the background and foundation of the world, and hopefully get to sample the fruits of sponsored roles' labors. Unclanned people know what they're in for when they want to do everything themselves.

Sorry, some people go unclanned because they're sick of being in clans, or afraid to. Just because a person is unclanned does not mean they shouldn't be included in plots. In fact, sometimes an unclanned person can offer a better/different perspective on a plot, and therefore make it more interesting.

In my opinion, unclanned are generally included in minor plots, or minor pieces of major plots, though the chance of being in a major plot increases in clans because of a couple of factors:
1) clan leaders running plots require trust from the people participating in certain plots, so they give those tasks to clan members, and
2) plots with backing from clans tend to have the support of those clan(s), whether it's virtual resources (like slaves, materials, or money) or otherwise, and thus are complicated enough to involve doing a lot.

[valeria]

If you want more unclanned plots, be an unclanned person trying to start more unclanned plots.  Or be a clanned person and invite more unclanned people into your plots yourself.  But I think Cutty had a few good points for why unclanned people might not get invited to participate intensely with clanned plots (on the flip side, I've seen some unclanned people who have built up trust with clans be repeatedly utilized by those clans in their plots--but it definitely didn't happen overnight.)

Just try not to make yourself unhappy by expecting too much too fast   .  It can be really grumpifying to think that you're doing all of this cool stuff and it's not changing the game world, but a small group of people in the whole of Zalanthas probably isn't going to feasibly be able to change hundred-years-old-institutions over night.  And don't be surprised if those institutions react in predictable ways, and you start encountering opposition or something.  But I guess that goes for clanned groups too.

Ultimately, I'll pick clanned or unclanned characters to work with on something, based on what my character would do given the IC circumstances.  Would it really make sense for my Merchant Frilly to use (and pay!) Unaccountable Independent Hunter X, when she's got a crack group of Dependable, Known Hunters A through D just rip-raring to go on a tear?  Maybe.  But whether the players of the unaccountable independent hunters are being involved in plots is an OOC factor, not likely to enter into that analysis.  At least for me!