Citizenship-Only Apartments

[Barsook]

If we got rid of all the magicker classes, all the apartments in Red Storm would free up instantly.

Seconding this solution.

Thriding it.

[Wolfsong]

I still support that the majority of apartments in any city should be citizen only - especially the higher end apartments.

[Archbaron]

Thriding it.

[Sam]

I think it should be different than citizenship.

I think it should be by affiliation.

Noble Houses and Legion get the top apartments.
Merchant Houses and Bardic Circles get the middle tier.
Byn and other rabble get the bottom tier.

Now a bard that is in good with a noble house would have access to the better apartments.

All of the tiers would still be roughly the same cost, but you would, obviously, have better nieghbors.

[Sam]

Oh, and lose your employment, get locked out of your apartment.

[Taven]

Or perhaps, people clanned by any of the three GMHs could be prevented from renting out apartments, because they have their own compounds in RSV where they can come and go, and non-clannies are prevented from going.

Good idea. There are already rules about renting apartments for some roles, but it isn't enforced by the code. It most likely doesn't need to be enforced by the code even if a similar rule is expanded to other roles.

I think that works fine for Red Storm, but I would oppose something similar being done in either city-state.

I think ONLY citizens should be renting apartments.

Any other option is a risk to the security of the city state.

Do you think that only citizens should be the main renters on apartments, or only citizens should be allowed to be on the rent list, period? If it's the latter, I disagree. I think that if you're running a group that travels between cities, you should at least be able to be a co-renter on an apartment, if somebody who is a citizen can vouch for you.

I like Sephiroto's idea, but what makes a citizen? In Tuluk the caste tattoos separate citizens from non-citizens. In Allanak and Red Storm there isn't anything similar given to all citizens of a city. There is no good way for the landlord to tell whether you're a citizen or not, unless you happened to be wearing the livery or uniform of a clan that only hires citizens of that city, and even then it's not certain.

This is another valid point.

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[The7DeadlyVenomz]

My solution would require more building up-front, but it would be far more ideal, IMO...

Inn rooms. Rentable by the day, for up to 55 days in advance (5 weeks, or approx. 4 RL days). You could renew your stay, of course, but if you stayed much longer than that it'd be more cost-efficient to rent an apartment. Still, they would be relatively cheap, small, and quit-safe. You could stash stuff there temporarily (say, you've come to trade and only want to stay a few weeks, but have too many goods to carry around with you the whole time), you could meet someone there for a plot, liason, whatever.

In short, they would fill a more temporary niche that, currently, entire apartments are the only option for - thus freeing up the more long-term places for people who actually intend to live there.

I am so greatly in favor of this. The fact that the taverns don't have rentable rooms, even in those described as having upstairs spaces, has always insanely annoyed me. The Trader should have a bevy of these rooms. So should the Sanctuary. Plus several inn buildings could be put in as well. I should be able to rent a furnished room for my mudsex or crafting or overnight stay or whatever if I wanna, and it should have a piece of sleeping furniture in it, not just a damn table.

For the love of God, staff. Do this.

[Scarecrow]

I like the idea of making more apartment buildings. I like apartments, because I have a tendancy to hoard vast caches of items and stick them in my house to admire later.
But in response to recent discussions, I have decided now that if I don't feasibly expect to return to the apartment, I will rent release it so someone who needs it can use it.

[Bogre]

Mmmh, Inn Rooms.

Reminds me of Baldur's gate.

[BleakOne]

I like Baldur's Gate Inn rooms.

Commoner, Merchant, Noble and King suites.

I always go King... 

[Gunnerblaster]

Leave the prices normal for citizens.

Double the prices for non-citizens.

[Jingo]

If we got rid of all the magicker classes, all the apartments in Red Storm would free up instantly.

It honestly isn't as safe as you think.

[Sephiroto]

Inn rooms would be nice.

I liked the idea of some citizenship-only perks as a way to make citizenship more important than it currently is.  Metagaming, some people choose to start in Allanak for coded and non-coded citizenship benefits there and then truck it to Red Storm since there are, as far as I know, no coded drawbacks for citizens vs. non-citizens there.  This might apply to Luirs and other outposts also.  I understand that currently there's pretty much no way to differentiate citizens from the non in any city except Tuluk.  It seems like in a tribal-esque world like Arm, citizenship or affiliation would be more important.  Food for thought, I guess.

[Synthesis]

Metagaming, some people choose to start in Allanak for coded and non-coded citizenship benefits there and then truck it to Red Storm since there are, as far as I know, no coded drawbacks for citizens vs. non-citizens there.

Uh, there are only 2 major exploits that involve moving to Red Storm, and neither involves citizenship.

I suspect that the vast majority of folks who live and work out of Red Storm who were born elsewhere do so because they are persona non grata in their hometown, not because they're gaming the citizenship code.  That's just silly.

[Rhyden]

My solution would require more building up-front, but it would be far more ideal, IMO...

Inn rooms. Rentable by the day, for up to 55 days in advance (5 weeks, or approx. 4 RL days). You could renew your stay, of course, but if you stayed much longer than that it'd be more cost-efficient to rent an apartment. Still, they would be relatively cheap, small, and quit-safe. You could stash stuff there temporarily (say, you've come to trade and only want to stay a few weeks, but have too many goods to carry around with you the whole time), you could meet someone there for a plot, liason, whatever.

In short, they would fill a more temporary niche that, currently, entire apartments are the only option for - thus freeing up the more long-term places for people who actually intend to live there.

I am so greatly in favor of this. The fact that the taverns don't have rentable rooms, even in those described as having upstairs spaces, has always insanely annoyed me. The Trader should have a bevy of these rooms. So should the Sanctuary. Plus several inn buildings could be put in as well. I should be able to rent a furnished room for my mudsex or crafting or overnight stay or whatever if I wanna, and it should have a piece of sleeping furniture in it, not just a damn table.

For the love of God, staff. Do this.

Yes.

This idea is so amazing it deserves its own thread. I'd do it but I have nothing more to add.

[Barzalene]

My solution would require more building up-front, but it would be far more ideal, IMO...

Inn rooms. Rentable by the day, for up to 55 days in advance (5 weeks, or approx. 4 RL days). You could renew your stay, of course, but if you stayed much longer than that it'd be more cost-efficient to rent an apartment. Still, they would be relatively cheap, small, and quit-safe. You could stash stuff there temporarily (say, you've come to trade and only want to stay a few weeks, but have too many goods to carry around with you the whole time), you could meet someone there for a plot, liason, whatever.

In short, they would fill a more temporary niche that, currently, entire apartments are the only option for - thus freeing up the more long-term places for people who actually intend to live there.

I am so greatly in favor of this. The fact that the taverns don't have rentable rooms, even in those described as having upstairs spaces, has always insanely annoyed me. The Trader should have a bevy of these rooms. So should the Sanctuary. Plus several inn buildings could be put in as well. I should be able to rent a furnished room for my mudsex or crafting or overnight stay or whatever if I wanna, and it should have a piece of sleeping furniture in it, not just a damn table.

For the love of God, staff. Do this.

Yes.

This idea is so amazing it deserves its own thread. I'd do it but I have nothing more to add.

Me too.

[X-D]

Heh, I prefer the Talia method.

Done it many times.

[Sam]

What if it was possible to buy out the rent?

Pay so much and you can buy the apartment out from under people that havn't visited in the past half month.

[Synthesis]

What if it was possible to buy out the rent?

Pay so much and you can buy the apartment out from under people that havn't visited in the past half month.

Eh, that doesn't really make sense.  Nenyuk doesn't give a rat's ass whether someone is actually living there or not, as long as the rent's getting paid.

What -might- make sense is being able to outbid someone.  Say, for instance...the apartment's base rate is 500, but you bid it up to 750 and those greedy Nenyukis evict the current occupant, and you're stuck paying 750 'sid a month.  Of course, if this sort of thing were implemented, the Salt Flats would be stripped bare, and all the glass and obsidian in the Known World would be strip-mined in a matter of a few IC years, and the Allanaki economy would collapse.

[Lizzie]

Yeah raising prices on things doesn't really do anything to solve problems with rentals. All it does, is encourage spam-crafting, spam-burglaring, spam-hunting and spam-grebbing for valueables, and lock out people who refuse to or can't spam their way to fame and fortune. Part of the problem now, is that it's so easy for people who -do- spam, to handle rentals. This will just raise the bar of spammage.

[Goldberry]

Yeah raising prices on things doesn't really do anything to solve problems with rentals. All it does, is encourage spam-crafting, spam-burglaring, spam-hunting and spam-grebbing for valueables, and lock out people who refuse to or can't spam their way to fame and fortune. Part of the problem now, is that it's so easy for people who -do- spam, to handle rentals. This will just raise the bar of spammage.

[Aaron Goulet]

I think it should be different than citizenship.

I think it should be by affiliation.

Noble Houses and Legion get the top apartments.
Merchant Houses and Bardic Circles get the middle tier.
Byn and other rabble get the bottom tier.

Now a bard that is in good with a noble house would have access to the better apartments.

All of the tiers would still be roughly the same cost, but you would, obviously, have better nieghbors.

I like this idea.

I'm not opposed to apartments being citizen-only, so long as citizenship can be purchased (for a hefty sum).  Alternately, the suggestion of making renting for non-citizens more expensive than it is for citizens isn't a bad idea either.

[Zoan]

The only problem is, ladies and gents, is that House Nenyuk straight-up doesn't care who gives them coin, so long as they be given coin.

[Sam]

House Nenyuk does care who they give apartments to.

If House Nenyuk treated every humanoid the same in a city, the Nobles would have something to say. Nenyuk would want to give favors and receive favors. If they let skinnies into their most expensive buildings, someone else or more will move out to get away from that sort.

[Nao]

House Nenyuk does care who they give apartments to.

If House Nenyuk treated every humanoid the same in a city, the Nobles would have something to say. Nenyuk would want to give favors and receive favors. If they let skinnies into their most expensive buildings, someone else or more will move out to get away from that sort.

Most neckers just wouldn't have the money. Also, Nobles and very rich people typically can afford their own property and don't need to rent an apartment? Or they might rent an entire house, which means you don't have to deal with skinnies living across the hall.