Me-kill-lots

[theebie]

...these lizards are -many- times the size of an inix...

They're tall like five-six times the size of a half-giant I think to remember ? I don't know if that's true, but they're actually -huge-.

People seem to somehow not realize that frequently in how they address them, I think. Like I don't think it's actually possible to singlehandedly carry
a dead mekillots head. (due to it probably beeing way heavier than a mul)

Could we maybe get some clarifications about how big they actually are, how long, how much they weigh, just some precisions ?

regards, theebie.

[Wolfsong]

[Nao]

I remember something along the lines of them being significantly larger than a bahamet.

[theebie]

Okay, let's see, what do we have on that picture.

To the left a black beetle(?), then a human, to the right a human riding a (sunback?) (erdlu?)
and the bigger thing a bahameth probably ? (at least that'd be the esimtated size? though i thought of
it more like a turtle?)
a half-giant would be about the shoulder-height of the bahamet.

An inix would be about the size of the bahamet, i guess ? (beeing able to carry half-giants)
and a mekillot is probably around four/five/six times taller than the bahamet ?

Most of this are just how I  think things are, correct me if you know better.

regards, theebie

[Qzzrbl]

Okay, let's see, what do we have on that picture.

To the left a black beetle(?), then a human, to the right a human riding a (sunback?) (erdlu?)
and the bigger thing a bahameth probably ? (at least that'd be the esimtated size? though i thought of
it more like a turtle?)
a half-giant would be about the shoulder-height of the bahamet.

An inix would be about the size of the bahamet, i guess ? (beeing able to carry half-giants)
and a mekillot is probably around four/five/six times taller than the bahamet ?

Most of this are just how I  think things are, correct me if you know better.

regards, theebie

That thing the guy's riding on at the far right is an inix. (Could even be a ratlon, I dunno)

That thing to the left is a kank. (I feel kinda old now)

And that big critter there towering over the rest is a mekillot.

Bahamets are bigger than inix.

Half-giants are about twice as tall as a human.

[perfecto]

Yeah my significant other pointed out to me the other day, that Caravan Way in Allanak must be a few football fields in width to allow such beasts to travel down the road without hindering eachother or squishing -his- citizens like bugs in their wake.


Also I agree that the picture below looks more like a Behamut than a Mek.

[Marauder Moe]

Guys, umm, that picture does have a LABEL at the bottom.  The big thing there is a mek.

It's big, yeah, but not unmanageably so.

However, it's possible that the two humanoids in that picture are half-giants rather than men.

Though, it's also possible that the beasts are somewhat differently sized in Zalanthas than in Athas.

[Qzzrbl]

Guys, umm, that picture does have a LABEL at the bottom. 

Well no shit....?



I feel sillly now.

[Malifaxis]

This, I believe, is far closer to a bahamet (sans thorns)

[theebie]

so even if that were a mekillot, how much would it weigh.

(let's assume it's humans, not half-giants riding them)

a rough guess of me would be 40-60 tons (it's like a big dinosaur somehow, and those were around that weight)
and the head may weigh how much ? a ton ? at least more than a person could carry, for sure.

[IAmJacksOpinion]

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r72/mouthymerc/inixkankmekillot.jpg

Yes, these are dark sun kank, inix, and mek.

Armageddon Mek's are twice the size of that mek though, being that their description says "This thing is twice as tall as a halfgiant" right in it.
(I hope this isn't too IC, after all these things go up and down the road of caravans, so anyone who lives in a city state has seen one from not too far away, likely.)

And for the record, the only time I've dragged a mek head around, I used foul majikz, because they are substantially heavy, but probably not heavy enough, no. But then, what in this game is as cumbersome and heavy as it should be? Until we have a code that lets us drag stuff behind our inix with a rope, stuff doesn't need to be too heavy that I can't pick it up and pretend to drag it behind my inix via,

e dragging his own planetary balls behind his inix, with a rope.

But that's another thread.

[Wolfsong]

Just to clarify, in the picture I posted, the giant dinosaur is the mekillot, and is unmounted. The other animals are inix and kank.

[IAmJacksOpinion]

In Arm Mekillots aren't mounts. They're too big for even a half-giant to straddle.

In Dark Sun (that picture) one of the Sorcerer kings has an entire cavalry consisting of half-giants on Meks, with lances.

[theebie]

if an zalanthian mekillot is twice as tall as the one in the picture, it'd weigh around 250 tons, and noone could carry its head around.
one wouldn't even get it through the door of a house.

[Synthesis]

I don't think the humanoids in the picture could be half-giants...if I remember correctly, a tall half-giant is a wee bit taller than an inix.  But it's been a while since I've played a half-giant, so don't quote me on that.

And a bahamet is definitely tortoise-like, nothing like the mek in the picture, there.

[Marshmellow]

Mekillots aren't coded as mounts and thus they can not be mounted by half-giants.  It's not because they're too big.  Sure, they're bigger than a HG, but think about how much larger a horse is than we are.  It doesn't have to be 10x as big to pull a shack on wheels (wagon/chariot/carriage) in the real world.  Why does the mekillot have to be the size of a zeppelin to pull an argosy?  They're only twice as TALL as a HG, which means if you could get it into a bi-pedal posture, it would be twice as tall.  Horses would be over twice as tall as we are if they could get into that position.

Picture looks right to me.

[Feco]

Mekillots aren't coded as mounts and thus they can not be mounted by half-giants.  It's not because they're too big.  Sure, they're bigger than a HG, but think about how much larger a horse is than we are.  It doesn't have to be 10x as big to pull a shack on wheels (wagon/chariot/carriage) in the real world.  Why does the mekillot have to be the size of a zeppelin to pull an argosy?  They're only twice as TALL as a HG, which means if you could get it into a bi-pedal posture, it would be twice as tall.  Horses would be over twice as tall as we are if they could get into that position.

Picture looks right to me.

I would assume we are talking "tall" as in distance from ground to withers.

[Marshmellow]

That's not how the code works.  "Tall" is distance from foot to shoulder or head when standing erect.

[Kalai]

... The code needs to specify what being tall means? 

[Marauder Moe]

Oh dear god.  Please tell me people aren't about to start arguing about the definition of 'tall' again...

[Marshmellow]

Would you rather I used the word 'height'?  That's the more accurate word that is used in the code anyway.  Ever seen a horse in game?  They aren't over twice your height at the withers, but the code'll put them that tall compared to you.  Draw your own conclusions.

[Wolfsong]

Mekillots aren't rarely used (as either mounts, or argosy-pullers) because they're too big. They're rarely used because they're almost impossible to train (in Dark Sun, I believe, mind benders are required to keep control of them at all at all times and even then are still routinely eaten) and when they go feral, they make a big fucking mess and kill a lot of people.

[Feco]

Just wanted to throw these out there:

Help files:

Gigantic behemoths, these lizards are many times the size of an inix, and often where six inix were required to draw a given argosy, only one mekillot suffices.

However, one carefully skinned carcass can provide shell, meat, bone, and remarkably tough hide for a huge number of people.

They are believed to feed primarily upon the local Salt Worms.

Exceedingly large dunes in the desert have been named after these beasts...

Still sort of vague, in terms of size, but it gives us a better idea, I guess?

BTW:

Too much arguing between everyone in arm, Marshmellow.  I love your avatar.

[spacewars]

There was a time in arm, when House Kadius had the War-gosy we called it, and it was pulled by two mekolits

[Bilanthri]

Mekillots aren't rarely used (as either mounts, or argosy-pullers) because they're too big. They're rarely used because they're almost impossible to train (in Dark Sun, I believe, mind benders are required to keep control of them at all at all times and even then are still routinely eaten) and when they go feral, they make a big fucking mess and kill a lot of people.

[Zoan]

Mekillots are those giant-ass shelled brontosaurus things on Gran Pulse in Final Fantasy 13. Like in Armageddon, those things can kill you in one hit.

[Synthesis]

Except mekillots don't have shells.

[Zoan]

I don't care!

[WagonsHo]

There was a time in arm, when House Kadius had the War-gosy we called it, and it was pulled by two mekolits

WAS a time?!

If someone has driven that bitch off the shield wall, I'm going to spec app my character rising from his grave to wreck vengeance on whomever was responsible.

(Note: Please don't reply with IC info confirming or denying).

[Semper]

[edited] To answer the OP's question in some manner, Mekillots probably vary in size, but the documentation gives a pretty fair picture of how big they could be.

[Medivh]

They are many times heavier then you.
They are over three times taller then you.

[Scarecrow]

In my opinion, if that is a human figure, the inix is way too small. I imagine Meks being more hide-covered rather than shells or plates too. As for bahamets, I agree with the post Malifaxis put up, squat and turtley but with also nastyishness.

[Malifaxis]

There was a time in arm, when House Kadius had the War-gosy we called it, and it was pulled by two mekolits

WAS a time?!

If someone has driven that bitch off the shield wall, I'm going to spec app my character rising from his grave to wreck vengeance on whomever was responsible.

(Note: Please don't reply with IC info confirming or denying).

Yeah that better be a goddamn typo...

[Goldberry]

[MeTekillot]

I don't think that's even close, Goldberry.

[boog]

I don't think that's even close, Goldberry.

I think size-wise it is. That's a huge ass argosy.

[IAmJacksOpinion]

Yeah tall meant length, not height, so that pic is probably pretty accurate.

Except mekillots don't have shells

And they do have shells. Except, Arm mek's are also furry, so in that way they're a little different. Also, they don't have a beak.

Also 250 tons is a gross over-estimate. A hg weighs around 1,200 - 1,500 lbs if I remember correctly? I'd place a mek 5-6 tons tops. 

And yes, maybe their head should be heavier, but if that's a problem then we should all stop mining obsidian immediately because those large chunks? Big as a chair. (What an odd descriptor.) Also, logs. We shouldn't log either. My point being, objects have to be manipulated to make the game playable. I just buy a rope and pretend to hook stuff up behind my mount, then drag it away, after picking it up. When I can codedly do that, then you can make objects heavier.

And... what inspired this? This is a REALLY weird, specific point.

[Goldberry]

In case anyone may be curious, the pics a couple posts back are from a Dark Sun website.  It's labeled as a Mekillot.  I think the art is by Brom.
I didn't expect to find anything that matches what I have pictured in my mind, but when I found these, I thought they were interesting enough to share.
The size seems pretty good, but the heads in particular aren't what I've imagined them to be in the past.
Just for interest.

[theebie]

if those things on the picture would be meks (or at least be the correct size), it'd even be -way- heavier than 250 tons.

and remember, that if something's twice as tall, it weighs 2*2*2 times as much. (because it's twice as "deep" and "thick", too)

and if that thing'd be a mek, it's head would be as tall as a tree/half-giant...

[BleakOne]

Goldberry's Mek pictures are adorably terrorfying.

[HavokBlue]

I've always imagined mekillots as giant kodo beasts for some reason. I dunno why.

[Archbaron]

Goldberry's Mek pictures are adorably terrorfying.

[IntuitiveApathy]

I'm pretty sure those are pictures of meks from the old Dark Sun source books.

[Dakota]

I'm pretty sure those are pictures of meks from the old Dark Sun source books.

.... Yeah I'll keep the mek in my brain as some sort of massive, triceratops... those things look so.. not.. threatening.

[Sephiroto]

Even though it doesn't match the description of a mek, I always imagined them as looking something like this:

[perfecto]

YES!

With a little mantis on their shoudler, using mind control...

Edited to say I really agree with Jack's Opinion... his first responce anyway.

[Nao]

They feed on saltworms, and I always imagined those to be pretty damn big (considering that you can make adders fron their teeth), and meks to be... even larger than that.

[IAmJacksOpinion]

if those things on the picture would be meks (or at least be the correct size), it'd even be -way- heavier than 250 tons.

and remember, that if something's twice as tall, it weighs 2*2*2 times as much. (because it's twice as "deep" and "thick", too)

and if that thing'd be a mek, it's head would be as tall as a tree/half-giant...

Okay.. 1500lbs * 2*2*2 = 12,000 lbs / 2,000 = 6 tons

I'd place a mek 5-6 tons tops. 

We could go with 5*5*5 the size of a halfgiant and still be only 1/3 of the way there.
I've worked on heating units (huge chunks of steel and various other metals) that were 25 feet long, 10 feet high, and made completely of METAL and were only 70,000 lbs. (35 tons)
There's not a chance that anything on Zalanthas (anything any player's seen without immtervention) weighs 500,000 lbs.
Sorry.

[IAmJacksOpinion]

OOh, just to add cause I thought of it,

My roommate started working at a place a while back where some of the guys at work played DnD. I wrote up a monk to join (They have the most lenient stat roll rules I've ever seen - roll 5, drop 2 - and I still ended up with a 5.... which I put into charisma so I could be the worlds ugliest, meanest monk! ) and I wanted to give him some power, so, failing to find anything but 4th (barf) edition, I went and downloaded the 3rd edition Sword and Fist to power him up.

The part of this that made me think of this was that I found you can download ANY DnD book online in a good quality PDF. (Not that surprising, but) so I downloaded the old 2nd edition Dark Sun manual. Never did look at it too much. This was at the start of the semester, and I didn't have a whole lot of time. Man, I think I'll check out those pics this afternoon. Maybe post a couple to visualizing Zalanthas.

[Bilanthri]

Goldberry's Mek pictures are actually from the original and new editions of Dark Sun. Might not be Zalanthan style, but those -are- Mekillots ^TM

[IAmJacksOpinion]

Mekillot: A mekillot is a huge, 6,000 lbs lizard, used for hauling
large cargo or serving as transportation for troops. These
beasts are hard to control and usually require a psionic handler to
tame the beast.

[Potaje]

This thread should be moved to world discussion

[IAmJacksOpinion]

Haha. Or closed, deleted, and forgotten. I'm not quite sure of this thread's purpose, to be honest, but I get to argue with people so I enjoy it thoroughly. (I'm a douche like that.)

Actually, I almost think it belongs in the RP discussion since the original post had something to do with us not being able to carry Mek heads around or something.

[KnownUnknown]

fyi: There is a guy i knew on an older pc. cant say name, or why he did it (i think there still alive) He killed a mekillot, and brought it to tuluk.

SO, i know for a fact it's possible.

[Aaron Goulet]

Even though it doesn't match the description of a mek, I always imagined them as looking something like this:

Pixelated and with a little green man on their shoulder? ^_^

[Fredd]

Even though it doesn't match the description of a mek, I always imagined them as looking something like this:

Name that game?

[racurtne]

Chrono Trigger

[Fredd]

Chrono Trigger

TY you get brownies. it was eating at me where i saw that monster.

[Yam]

Yeah tall meant length, not height, so that pic is probably pretty accurate.

Except mekillots don't have shells

And they do have shells. Except, Arm mek's are also furry, so in that way they're a little different. Also, they don't have a beak.

Also 250 tons is a gross over-estimate. A hg weighs around 1,200 - 1,500 lbs if I remember correctly? I'd place a mek 5-6 tons tops. 

And yes, maybe their head should be heavier, but if that's a problem then we should all stop mining obsidian immediately because those large chunks? Big as a chair. (What an odd descriptor.) Also, logs. We shouldn't log either. My point being, objects have to be manipulated to make the game playable. I just buy a rope and pretend to hook stuff up behind my mount, then drag it away, after picking it up. When I can codedly do that, then you can make objects heavier.

And... what inspired this? This is a REALLY weird, specific point.

No.

[Cindy42]

furry? o.0 yeah sorry never seen one IG.

i always think of that one national geographic clip where a komodo dragon is walking in that swimming-motion fashion along a road. only, the size of an elephant, and possibly green.

[Majikal]

Even though it doesn't match the description of a mek, I always imagined them as looking something like this:

Name that game?

[near]
The blue, flame-spitting Mekillot trundles around here.


I like the new mek, let's use it.