Pump your brakes. Yes. You.

[Dan]

There has been way too much talk of magickers, skills, what does what, and that sort of thing.

This needs to stop. I long for the days when almost -any- talk of magick on the GDB was taboo, let alone referencing some of the spells that are out there! We need to go back to that mentality. Watch what you say, if you have a question that comes close to encroaching on any of these subjects you should send in an email to the mud.

I've just noticed the attitude of the GDB becoming more lackadaisical, just putting this out there as my opinion.

[RogueGunslinger]

I agree.

[Gunnerblaster]

I agree.

[hyzhenhok]

I agree.

[Winterless]

I agree.

It goes in cycles though. There will be a thread about magickers and everyone once again gets all their butt-hurts about magickers off their chests and all is lollipops and puppy dogs again. Usually happens about one a year or so.

[evil_erdlu]

I can't feel the urge.. After seeing your profile picture, how can we say 'no'?

[AreteX]

I have to agree.

Its like a magic trick IRL.  People are amazed.  You're amazed.  "Wow, that was awesome!"

Then you find out about it, and it takes the mystery away.  You wanted to know about it, but when you found out, it dissapointed you.  Wished you had never even asked.

I've found out about some things that I never knew existed from reading random threads on the GDB.

[Akaramu]

On the plus side, all the recent magicker discussions seem to have motivated more people to play characters who don't befriend them openly, and act more in line with documentation.

[flurry]

The GDB seems to be experiencing skill fever recently.

[flurry]

I've found out about some things that I never knew existed from reading random threads on the GDB.

Almost eight years into the game, the GDB is still revealing game sekrits to me.  Someday maybe I'll catch up to the "common knowledge", but the boundaries are ever-expanding.

[DustMight]

I've found out about some things that I never knew existed from reading random threads on the GDB.

Almost eight years into the game, the GDB is still revealing game sekrits to me.  Someday maybe I'll catch up to the "common knowledge", but the boundaries are ever-expanding.

I'm so with you.  After years of playing I can't believe the shit that I still don't know that seems common to everyone else.  I also can't believe people are talkin....

[jstorrie]

The GDB seems to be experiencing skill fever recently.

A not-that-surprising side effect of all the Arm Reborn talk, I'd say.

[HailTheAbyss]

Another thing is, that not everyone has karma. It is kinda funny to see people treat magickers as some common, disposeable character type, and
read about abuses of the code by people playing them.

Makes me wonder about the karma system, it really does...

[jcarter]

Watch what you say, if you have a question that comes close to encroaching on any of these subjects you should send in an email to the mud.

I've just noticed the attitude of the GDB becoming more lackadaisical, just putting this out there as my opinion.

Because the people doing it don't want an answer. They're fishing for e-cred and trying to rile people up to push things in whatever direction they wish. Most of the time it's because it's impacting their character as well, which is all the more reason for it to go.

What I REALLY want is the smug, "oh HEH nice try but I know more about the code than you ever will" bullshit to stop. There's a few who can't seem to stop posting it in every single thread that relates to mechanics. We got it. You were once an imm. Congratulations.

[spawnloser]

jcarter, why do you assume someone must have been an IMM if they are certain that know more than you, or say that they are certain?  That's unfounded supposition, really.

One thing I have learned from asking questions of the staff is that just being on staff doesn't mean you know everything.  Some staff go out of their way to NOT learn things they don't need to know so that they can continue to play the game and still experience some of that wonder and joy that we players get when playing the game and finding something new in game.  Even for those that do seek the backdoor way to learning, from what I understand, a lot of the staff don't have access to everything anyway.

About the people saying, "I know more blah blah blah," though.  Some players have just played certain classes and done certain things a lot.  Some players recognize why opthers would believe something if somewhat experienced, but at the same time, recognize the errors in assumptions made.  Often enough the "I know more than you blah blah blah" comments are made only to try to get someone to reevaluate those assumptions and get them to calm down when they're bitching about something they just might not understand as well as they think they do.  Relax a bit, huh?  Would you rather they came out and said what was right (which we all know is incorrect behaivor)?  Would you rather have the GDB turn into one big bitch-fest that noone can answer because noone is allowed to say anything to the people that think they know what they're talking about but really don't?

[AmandaGreathouse]

Hate to say it, but I agree with spawnloser to a point. Not the snark, but the point.

As a specific example, one might look up the help file for forage and note its changes. This was driven by players sending in information to staff, who didn't actually realize some of the finer points of it.

In general, however, I can understand how one might be led to make any number of assumptions with regards to people who make comments about things like skill percentages and branching and the skills that classes get and the like.

[Dan]

In general, however, I can understand how one might be led to make any number of assumptions with regards to people who make comments about things like skill percentages and branching and the skills that classes get and the like.

Which are the same comments I don't like to see, whether someone knows them to be fact or not. Without those comments, people wouldn't be making any assumptions. 

[AmandaGreathouse]

I, too, would rather not see them, but was choosing to try and speak as non-negatively as I could on the subject. Apparently it was a bit ambiguous, so to clarify: Yeah, I'd really rather not see things like that. For a whole host of my own reasons.

[Ampere]

If you see something you feel is in breach of the rules then file a complaint.

[musashi]

If you see something you feel is in breach of the rules then file a complaint.

This. The snark and hyprocracy annoys me far more than the odd comment and game mechanics.

[Synthesis]

If you see something you feel is in breach of the rules then file a complaint.

This. The snark and hyprocracy annoys me far more than the odd comment and game mechanics.

Hypocracy? Is that rule by the hypocrites, or the hypochondriacs?

JOKING

[musashi]

Yez yez, typing on iPhone leads to lots and lots of typos 

[jhunter]

If you see something you feel is in breach of the rules then file a complaint.

This. The snark and hyprocracy annoys me far more than the odd comment and game mechanics.

Heh, yeah trust in the staff to take care of things. If they miss something you believe should be brought to their attention, then do so. Most of the time I don't think that people cross the line in regards to game mechanics and the few times it does happen, it usually gets editted by the staff and a warning sent to the poster.

[Dan]

The point of the post isn't that there are times where it's caught and dealt with.

The point is that there is a trend of people pushing that line further out, and lately it's become more noticeable. Im just suggesting a little more discretion be taken on the part of people taking up discussion in these kinds of things. It is all too easy to ruin the mystery for some people who have yet to experience some of the great things this game has to offer. Just because you take it for granted that something is well known doesn't mean it is so.

Maybe the title of this thread came off backhanded, but that isn't the intent. Nor am I trying to take on the job of the moderators. Im asking the people who frequent the GDB to use a little more caution before posting something, please. It's for the good of the game is all.

One example being: Want to know why I was scared of magaickers when I was new to Armageddon? It was because I knew -nothing- about them, there wasn't one clue to be had from the GDB because people didn't talk about that part of the game, it wasn't accepted. It's easy to fear the unknown. Now it seems everywhere, give the people new to this game a chance to experience that fear and hand-shaking intensity like you once did.

[jhunter]

Sorry Dan, I understand what you are saying but it has never been against the rules to talk about magick/magickers. It has only been against the rules to speak specifics. You make it sound as if people are out of line to discuss magick/magickers, -at all-. If I'm mistaken then I apologize.