Request for Feedback: Trample

[Taven]

That's the point.  Don't want to break your mount's legs, then don't trample over shit.  It goes with the territory.

Injuring a leg I could see. Making it harder to move, injuring a leg or other parts, yes. Breaking a leg? That pretty much gurentees that you'd have to kill the mount, or put it down. Unless there's a Vividuian involved, I think the mount is a goner. I'm not against mount injury, but breaking a leg should be a real thing, codedly speaking. If everytime a PC went into battle, and had a chance of breaking an arm or a leg, codedly, wouldn't that really change things? I'm not saying that mounts shouldn't break legs, but I think that injury in terms of HP or STUN is probably better for the game, unless it's a massive failure in the attempt.

Making moving an injured mount could cause it to loose more HP, with an increasing risk to it, if you have to flee. There could be other "sliding" penalties, but it seems like a failure resulting in instant worthlessness of the mount and potential stranding in the middle of hostile territory would make no one use trample, ever.

[musashi]

That's the point.  Don't want to break your mount's legs, then don't trample over shit.  It goes with the territory.

Injuring a leg I could see. Making it harder to move, injuring a leg or other parts, yes. Breaking a leg? That pretty much gurentees that you'd have to kill the mount, or put it down. Unless there's a Vividuian involved, I think the mount is a goner. I'm not against mount injury, but breaking a leg should be a real thing, codedly speaking. If everytime a PC went into battle, and had a chance of breaking an arm or a leg, codedly, wouldn't that really change things? I'm not saying that mounts shouldn't break legs, but I think that injury in terms of HP or STUN is probably better for the game, unless it's a massive failure in the attempt.

Making moving an injured mount could cause it to loose more HP, with an increasing risk to it, if you have to flee. There could be other "sliding" penalties, but it seems like a failure resulting in instant worthlessness of the mount and potential stranding in the middle of hostile territory would make no one use trample, ever.

I guess I'm ok with the idea of the mount breaking its leg on a failed attempt, but lets be fair ... and make it so that a failed bash attempt dislocates the shoulder and forces the person in question to drop their weapons and not be able to wield them again until they're all fixed up. That's the point right? Don't want to dislocate your shoulder? Don't bash shit. It goes with the territory.

[Sephiroto]

I don't want to see mounts hurt themselves every failed or successful attempt.  I'd like to see it at a percentage similar to falling on your neck when failing a climb check.  Its a risk you take, you know, to balance things out.

[FantasyWriter]

I don't want to see mounts hurt themselves every failed or successful attempt.  I'd like to see it at a percentage similar to falling on your neck when failing a climb check.  Its a risk you take, you know, to balance things out.

say (raising an eyebrow) Indeed.

[musashi]

Isn't there already a risk of landing on your neck and passing out when a mount bucks you? I seem to remember that in the helpfiles.

[Synthesis]

Isn't there already a risk of landing on your neck and passing out when a mount bucks you? I seem to remember that in the helpfiles.

The only way you'll pass out is if your stun is already so low that the stun damage from the fall puts you < 0.  As far as I know, there's no "you landed on your neck!" instant loss of 80+ stun.

[brytta.leofa]

As far as I know, there's no "you landed on your neck!" instant loss of 80+ stun.

There may be a "you landed on your neck!" instant loss of life.  But I heard it from an NPC, and you know how they are.

[musashi]

Isn't there already a risk of landing on your neck and passing out when a mount bucks you? I seem to remember that in the helpfiles.

The only way you'll pass out is if your stun is already so low that the stun damage from the fall puts you < 0.  As far as I know, there's no "you landed on your neck!" instant loss of 80+ stun.

But it is in there right? Being bucked from your mount taking down your stun? It makes since to me for the stun loss to be significantly less than what you would suffer for failing a climb check.

Falling off a bettle < falling off the shield wall.

[Versu]

Wait, isn't Charge the same thing?

This makes me want an elven equalizer.

[brytta.leofa]

Wait, isn't Charge the same thing?

This makes me want an elven equalizer.

> hide

[Versu]

If this stops charge from being abused I'm down. At first it sounded like a new uber attack. Now it sounds like charge has been broken into 2 skills.

Elves should get racial backstab. Yay great idea!

[Jingo]

Elves get 'I don't have to rely on this stupid mount'.

[Spice Spice Baby]

I don't know if it's just me, but I have yet to successfully trample anything... ever. I use the skill fairly often and have a goodly amount of time played on my character.

Has anyone else experienced this?

[musashi]

I don't know if it's just me, but I have yet to successfully trample anything... ever. I use the skill fairly often and have a goodly amount of time played on my character.

Has anyone else experienced this?

Yes, and not just you and I. I actually emailed the staff about it recently. My character has never been able to trample anything either, even if said animal was already stunned or nearly dieing on the ground. They still dodge it.

[Synthesis]

Yeah, I've never managed to actually trample anything while it wasn't critically wounded.

I think I did it a few times vs. something that was mortally wounded, but it had so little effect I did it three times and the critter was still alive.

[Clearsighted]

Wait, isn't Charge the same thing?

This makes me want an elven equalizer.

Hah. Considering desert elves can out run and out maneuver, easily, a war beetle...A skilled desert elf is almost impossible to take down without several very successful charges. I don't know how trample factors into it, as I haven't played more than an hour or two in the last few months. But I do remember dealing with desert elf and their magic legs bullshit. I would have preferred to saddle up one of them than a beetle.

[netflix]

I don't know if it's just me, but I have yet to successfully trample anything... ever. I use the skill fairly often and have a goodly amount of time played on my character.

Has anyone else experienced this?

Same here. Never had a success.

[musashi]

I don't know if it's just me, but I have yet to successfully trample anything... ever. I use the skill fairly often and have a goodly amount of time played on my character.

Has anyone else experienced this?

Same here. Never had a success.

I'm told there will be a bug fix soon to correct this. Yay Morgenes!

[netflix]

I'm told there will be a bug fix soon to correct this. Yay Morgenes!

Has there beeb anymore word on this?

[musashi]

Not yet, I'm still waiting.

[Xagon]

I think the crash had something to do with the Charge / Trample code. All of a sudden, I'm failing charges and succeeding with trampling.
It sucks that I can't spam-charge that mekillot anymore, but at least I can trample everyone else!

[Clearsighted]

I think the crash had something to do with the Charge / Trample code. All of a sudden, I'm failing charges and succeeding with trampling.
It sucks that I can't spam-charge that mekillot anymore, but at least I can trample everyone else!

Charging mekillots was the best thing ever.

[Clearsighted]

I've had a few days played to mess around with trample.

1) I think people, especially warriors, should get a higher skill cap with it. There is reference in the docs to heavy cavalry regiments of war beetles...Well. Let's give some mounts bonuses to trampling, and make the max for it a bit higher for warriors, to do that heavy cavalry goodness.

2) Increase the before - after timer, since if the skill is more reliable, it should have a corresponding increase in time before and after using it.

Right now, it seems to function like a mounted kick. Just a bit less useful.

/That said, I adore the fact that it was even added at all...

[Dar]

What I would've preferred, is to have some kind of special animal, a version of Inix and a version of Beetle that is designed for trampling/charging. It would not be as quick or as vigorous as regular mounts, be significantly expensive, but give a sizable bonus to charge and trample. Something to allow the concept of "heavy cavalry" come true, and yet not allow every two bit ranger/warrior to be a one man heavy cavalry unit.

Something that offers a bonus significant enough to make it worth the negatives to ride on when you're going out to war. But have enough negatives in it, to make the casual travel use unwise.

[FantasyWriter]

-War-beetle?

Less sarcasm: If I remember correctly, compared to your average grey kank, a war beetle was just about what you described.