Lyrics set to modern tunes

Started by Tulana, October 23, 2008, 03:33:40 PM

Quote from: fourTwenty on October 24, 2008, 04:15:24 PM
Time Life is now proud to present...

"Songs of Zalanthas"

Including some of your favorites such as...

"Crazy Kank"
"Caught in the Krath Fire"
"Blinded by the Sand"
"Kalans"
"Jade on Black"
"Mekillot"
"Rock the Skimmer"
"Keep on Mining in the Dragons World"
"Ring of Fire (Shit 'gickers)"
"Zalanthian Rhapsody"
And Many More!!!

I just laughed Ruby Red Squirt out of my nose, you bastard.

That's awesome.
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-Reiloth

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Quote from: Rathustra on June 23, 2016, 03:29:08 PM
Stop being shitty to each other.

I find that there are a good amount of songs by the Decemberists whose lyrics would work absolutely perfectly in a Zalanthan atmosphere, sometimes allowing for only a few small changes (i.e. a word here or there).  See songs such as "The Shankill Butchers" (change it to "The Blackmoon Butchers" maybe?), "Culling of the Fold," "Odalisque," etc.
"Life isn't divided into genres. It's a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you're lucky."

--Alan Moore

I've played a fair number of bard/performer characters and while I have written mainly original material, I have also on three occasions adapted real songs. One was an Irish drinking song, one an obscure Jethro Tull song and one a well known C & W song.  Real songs have a nice rhythm to them which feel like... well, you know, songs!  I can't say whether the resulting adaptations were good, bad or indifferent but I do know that just as with anything I do in game I took seriously my responsibility as a player to keep true to the feel of the wonderful world of Zalanthas.

So I find it pretty disturbing that people would state unequivocally, without any regard to the actual adaptation or its appropriateness or flavour, that they would PK a PC singing such a song.

Quote from: J S BachIf it ain't baroque, don't fix it.

Quote from: tortall on October 23, 2008, 04:11:44 PM

Edit: Though some songs that might be more suited for Arm: something like celtic/english/scottish traditional music(danny boy, lass from the low country, ect)

I don't think traditional is the right word... What IS the right word?

I call it folk, and that's what I did for my single Circle bard (who I like to think was fairly popular in her time).  I only got a player backlash from one of her songs, but it was fierce. 

It's a thin line.  Choose obscure songs and rewrite them well, and I wouldn't have a problem with it.
Quote from: manonfire on November 04, 2013, 08:11:36 AM
The secret to great RP is having the balls to be weird and the brains to make it eloquent.

Quote from: Medena on October 25, 2008, 12:40:09 AM
I've played a fair number of bard/performer characters and while I have written mainly original material, I have also on three occasions adapted real songs. One was an Irish drinking song, one an obscure Jethro Tull song and one a well known C & W song.  Real songs have a nice rhythm to them which feel like... well, you know, songs!  I can't say whether the resulting adaptations were good, bad or indifferent but I do know that just as with anything I do in game I took seriously my responsibility as a player to keep true to the feel of the wonderful world of Zalanthas.

So I find it pretty disturbing that people would state unequivocally, without any regard to the actual adaptation or its appropriateness or flavour, that they would PK a PC singing such a song.



There's a fundamental difference between obscure Jethro Tull (good music, I mean it's not like you were rewriting some of his stuff into a new song called "SiltLung" were you? ;) ) and Britney Spears (it causes me physical pain to type that name.)  The more variation that is in the lyrics of the original song, the more likely you are able to adapt it to a new setting and not have it be instantly recognizable.  Sure, I'm a hypocrite, and proud, but I must say that if I was kicking it to some bards singing Zalanthan Pie (a re-write I did a while back) and wasn't able to spot the fact that it was a rewrite for a good 3 mins into the song, I'd -still- be happy... because the scene would not have been destroyed to me.  The lyrics of American Pie are varied and complex, and can be rewritten in a myriad of ways.  The lyrics of "Hit me baby one more time" (I'm sorry, I must now take a break and weep at the fact that I just typed that, even as an example) are neither varied nor complex.  The act of human procreation is, in fact, less repetitive than the lyrics of that "song".

Style and substance have a lot of impact on Armageddon, and trying to play a bard that lacks both is impossible, and a quick way to certain doom.  There are a bajillion songs out there to choose from for lyrical modification, many of which you can make much better than they are.  To avoid rabid PK, however, I highly suggest you don't use any thing too popular or repetitive.
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-Reiloth

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Quote from: Rathustra on June 23, 2016, 03:29:08 PM
Stop being shitty to each other.

I have been known to adapt some bible hymns and sons into Armageddon songs about the elements, or the kings.
Quote from: Cutthroat on September 30, 2008, 10:15:55 PM
> forage artifacts

You find a rusty, armed landmine and pick it up.

Quote from: Delstro on October 27, 2008, 03:54:13 PM
I have been known to adapt some bible hymns and sons into Armageddon songs about the elements, or the kings.

The kank and his rider He hath thrown into the sea!
The sword is sharp, the spear is long,
The arrow swift, the Gate is strong.
The heart is bold that looks on gold;
The dwarves no more shall suffer wrong.

I can't imagine why I'd care if you wanted to rewrite a real song, as long as it thematically still suited the game.  It's a game, I don't expect every single person that wants to play a bard (or just belt something out now and then) to be a god damn poet.

I also don't send player complaints when I'm receiving combat training from someone that's obviously never been physically active.  I mean... again, it's a game, I don't expect every player to know everything their character should know or to exhaustively research.

Just keep your rp appropriate to the genre and content of the world as best you can.  Who cares if the song was originally Britney Spears or anything else, as long as it suits the atmosphere and game content it's fine. 
"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.

"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."

"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.

"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."

Quote from: staggerlee on October 27, 2008, 04:35:28 PM
I can't imagine why I'd care if you wanted to rewrite a real song, as long as it thematically still suited the game.  It's a game, I don't expect every single person that wants to play a bard (or just belt something out now and then) to be a god damn poet.

I also don't send player complaints when I'm receiving combat training from someone that's obviously never been physically active.  I mean... again, it's a game, I don't expect every player to know everything their character should know or to exhaustively research.

Just keep your rp appropriate to the genre and content of the world as best you can.  Who cares if the song was originally Britney Spears or anything else, as long as it suits the atmosphere and game content it's fine. 

To clarify:
QuoteJust keep your rp appropriate to the genre and content of the world as best you can.  Who cares if the song was originally Britney Spears or anything else, as long as it suits the atmosphere and game content it's fine. 

To emphasize:
QuoteIt's a game
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The three-breasted, mutated fire-elementalist sings, in sirihish: " Don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like me, Don't you wish your girlfriend was a freak like me, Doncha!"
Quote from: MorgenesYa..what Bushranger said...that's the ticket.

Unfortunately, I've seen the same "idea" as Bushranger's joke in the game, performed by Bard PCs. Problem is, technically it conforms to Staggerlee's criteria of fitting in with the game world and being appropriate to the scene. A krathi -might- indeed sing something like that. It doesn't make it right. And in fact it's jarring enough that if that example actually happened in game, I'd send an e-mail to staff about it.

Just because it "fits" doesn't mean it's appropriate. If the words are changed to make the thing unrecognizeable as a real-world thing, then that's great! But if it's obvious that you just replaced a few words of a TV commercial jingle, or popular song, or even Jethro Tull, then even cleverness won't cut it. It's the obviousness that I think is the biggest concern. Obvious = not good. Not obvious = acceptable.

Talia said: Notice to all: Do not mess with Lizzie's GDB. She will cut you.
Delirium said: Notice to all: do not mess with Lizzie's soap. She will cut you.

Meh. As long as it's okay to run around emoting like you're from 300 it's okay to remake songs.
It's a game.
Sometimes opinions on what is and isn't appropriate to the game are going to clash, but that's not the end of the world, because it's just a game.
I'd rather players be online playing and not out taking poetry classes because they're afraid that if their next ic song is too derivative they'll get a player complaint. 
"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.

"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."

"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.

"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."

My next PC is gonna be a bard and I'm going to wright all the songs in my previous post.
Double bonus of cracking up Malifaxis and pissing off half the playerbase at the same time.
Quote from: fourTwenty on June 11, 2007, 08:08:00 PM
Quote from: Rievroleplay damn well(I assume Kazi and fourTwenty are completely different from each other)

Did you just call one of us a dick?

Quote from: fourTwenty on October 28, 2008, 05:34:31 PM
My next PC is gonna be a bard and I'm going to wright all the songs in my previous post.
Double bonus of cracking up Malifaxis and pissing off half the playerbase at the same time.

That's, ahhh, 'write' brother.

(+50 pts for double pun)
Yes. Read the thread if you want, or skip to page 7 and be dismissive.
-Reiloth

Words I repeat every time I start a post:
Quote from: Rathustra on June 23, 2016, 03:29:08 PM
Stop being shitty to each other.

Quote from: staggerlee on October 28, 2008, 10:57:18 AM
Meh. As long as it's okay to run around emoting like you're from 300 it's okay to remake songs.
It's a game.
Sometimes opinions on what is and isn't appropriate to the game are going to clash, but that's not the end of the world, because it's just a game.
I'd rather players be online playing and not out taking poetry classes because they're afraid that if their next ic song is too derivative they'll get a player complaint. 

Ill personally hunt down and PK you if you sing a pop song in Arm.
Tellah: You spoony bard!
Bard: No, wait!
Tellah: Die!

Quote from: The Spoony Bard on November 02, 2008, 12:45:45 PM
Ill personally hunt down and PK you if you sing a pop song in Arm.

You wouldn't fuck with a black-skinned, huge-headed mul that's rapping

"Touch a blade in the heavy shit
Shank a shiv with a critical hit"

A touch of genius. I mean it.

Quote from: spicemustflow on November 02, 2008, 01:28:11 PM
Quote from: The Spoony Bard on November 02, 2008, 12:45:45 PM
Ill personally hunt down and PK you if you sing a pop song in Arm.

You wouldn't fuck with a black-skinned, huge-headed mul that's rapping

"Touch a blade in the heavy shit
Shank a shiv with a critical hit"

A touch of genius. I mean it.

I would PK myself.
Quote from: fourTwenty on June 11, 2007, 08:08:00 PM
Quote from: Rievroleplay damn well(I assume Kazi and fourTwenty are completely different from each other)

Did you just call one of us a dick?

But seriously, I'm going to adapt Lake of Fire, with many verses.

Where do 'gickers go when they die? ...
Where do heathens go when they die? ...
Where do baldies go when they die? ...
Where do skinnies go when they die? ...
Where do templars go when they die? ...

It will be surprisingly Zalanthan.
The sword is sharp, the spear is long,
The arrow swift, the Gate is strong.
The heart is bold that looks on gold;
The dwarves no more shall suffer wrong.

Quote from: brytta.leofa on November 02, 2008, 04:44:23 PM
But seriously, I'm going to adapt Lake of Fire, with many verses.

Where do 'gickers go when they die? ...
Where do heathens go when they die? ...
Where do baldies go when they die? ...
Where do skinnies go when they die? ...
Where do templars go when they die? ...

It will be surprisingly Zalanthan.

I would be interested to see this. I always thought Zalanthains didn't give much thought to any kind of afterlife.

Most of them anyway. There are a few clans with pretty kickass legends and stories on this kinda shit.
Quote from: fourTwenty on June 11, 2007, 08:08:00 PM
Quote from: Rievroleplay damn well(I assume Kazi and fourTwenty are completely different from each other)

Did you just call one of us a dick?