D-elves galore! spin off

[spicemustflow]

Right, since I don't want to derail the aforementioned thread from the discussion about how awesome the Soh are (not that they aren't), I started a new one called "Recommend me a tribe".

I played in SLK and Red Fangs, and led short and unproductive lives, so I'm curious about other available tribes (not exclusively). I don't want to be the only PC member is one of the conditions. I don't really have any other.

[Forest Junkie]

The ATV have rich history. I suggest looking into them.

[Forest Junkie]

Are you interested solely in d.elf tribes, or do human ones interest you also?

[spicemustflow]

I'm in the mood for elves right now. ATV sounds interesting, but I've heard that there's hardly a player in it.

[Forest Junkie]

I'm in the mood for elves right now. ATV sounds interesting, but I've heard that there's hardly a player in it.

Every tribe goes through bouts of emptiness. I suggest building it up yourself and do some recruiting. It can be a pain in the butt, yet if you work hard you'll nab some good players. Up to you though. If you want instant gratification but don't want Soh or RF, you could always try Dune Stalkers or Sun Runners.

[spicemustflow]

Every tribe goes through bouts of emptiness. I suggest building it up yourself and do some recruiting.

Could be fun, I was hoping to do that with Haruch Kemad but alas, closed.

If you want instant gratification but don't want Soh or RF, you could always try Dune Stalkers or Sun Runners.

If by 'instant gratification' you mean an already established tribe with a decent playerbase, why excluse Soh? I thought they're the most popular desert elves. You're saying that DS and SR have more players? The problem in building up a tribe by yourself is that I as a relative newcomer to the world of desert necks am not very experienced in the ways of a particular tribe, and would likely need someone more experienced to get the nuances of the tribe's culture. But the reward of attracting new players could be immense...

[palomar]

In my experience the ATV is a great tribe. However, their culture is quite different compared even to other desert elf tribes. With or without other active tribemembers I would say that an interest in solo roleplay and the game world's natural environments are two important aspects to keep in mind to enjoy the ATV. Also, as they really don't like the cities city-bound traders are very few, meaning that you probably shouldn't pick this tribe if you want to make the occasional visit to Tuluk/Allanak.

Playing in the Akei Ta Var is difficult and different but very rewarding once/if you "get it".


Edited to add: Sun Runners were hopping a little while ago and it might still be. It's a tribe with rich history and an option if you don't feel like trying the SLK (which are also cool).

[Forest Junkie]

If by 'instant gratification' you mean an already established tribe with a decent playerbase, why excluse Soh?

I'm excluding the Soh because you created a new thread asking for advice on other tribes. I already plugged the Soh in the thread Ky started. I didn't want to hijack your thread and speak about them when there's already another thread wherein I do such. 

I thought they're the most popular desert elves.

Debatable, and open to one's own interpretation of how a desert elf/tribe should be played. They are not necessarily my favorite, but I've grown to enjoy their potential immensely.

You're saying that DS and SR have more players?

I sincerely doubt they do. I won't disclose numbers, but I can say that as a Soh you will likely have someone to play with throughout the day, regardless of your p.time.

The problem in building up a tribe by yourself is that I as a relative newcomer to the world of desert necks am not very experienced in the ways of a particular tribe, and would likely need someone more experienced to get the nuances of the tribe's culture. But the reward of attracting new players could be immense...

That's up to you friend. If you need guidance and support, I can help. Otherwise, there's nothing wrong with the other tribes. I do believe their playerbase is fair - in other words, even if you don't pick the Soh, you will have interaction with tribemates in either DS or SR.

Any further questions, and you can pm me.

I'll let those more knowledgeable about DS come into the discussion. I do know, however, that both them and the SR have great documentation and history, -especially- the SR.

[spicemustflow]

In my experience the ATV is a great tribe. However, their culture is quite different compared even to other desert elf tribes. With or without other active tribemembers I would say that an interest in solo roleplay and the game world's natural environments are two important aspects to keep in mind to enjoy the ATV. Also, as they really don't like the cities city-bound traders are very few, meaning that you probably shouldn't pick this tribe if you want to make the occasional visit to Tuluk/Allanak.

Playing in the Akei Ta Var is difficult and different but very rewarding once/if you "get it".


Edited to add: Sun Runners were hopping a little while ago and it might still be. It's a tribe with rich history and an option if you don't feel like trying the SLK (which are also cool).

Can you you explain that a bit? I heard ATV referred to as treehugers, hope they're not too preoccupied with the eco balance as that reminds me od some DnD elves... Also I'm not big with solo RP. So can you help me "get it" hat they're all about?

[Forest Junkie]

The Akei'ta Var have a deep and rather distinct set of beliefs that revolve around nature, yes. To call them treehuggers is oversimplifying it really. I'll try to go into this as much as possible without going IC:

The Akei view Zalanthas as a sort of living, breathing entity that grows/shrinks in direct proportion to the amount its inhabitants takes from it. They believe in balance of a sort, and seek to keep said balance from being tipped by outsiders. This too is oversimplifying the Akei to some extent. I suggest emailing staff to get a view at the docs. Reading things for yourself will give you a better understanding of what they're all about.

[Dakurus]

If you absolutely cannot stand solo RP, if it just gets under your skin if you have to do it for more then an hour, let alone a day, or a few days, I would highly suggest you do not play a desert elf. The tribal cultures have very cyclical player bases, which means if you survive you can be guaranteed extensive segments of time of solo play. You'll end up either storing, killing your character, being miserable, not playing, or doing something culturally wrong for your tribe (like hanging out in cities or wandering far stretches of the world that are not inline with a tribes territory)

One day you may find yourself more comfortable and actually getting pleasure from solo play. This is when I'd play a desert elf.

[Winterless]

If you absolutely cannot stand solo RP, if it just gets under your skin if you have to do it for more then an hour, let alone a day, or a few days, I would highly suggest you do not play a desert elf. The tribal cultures have very cyclical player bases, which means if you survive you can be guaranteed extensive segments of time of solo play. You'll end up either storing, killing your character, being miserable, not playing, or doing something culturally wrong for your tribe (like hanging out in cities or wandering far stretches of the world that are not inline with a tribes territory)

One day you may find yourself more comfortable and actually getting pleasure from solo play. This is when I'd play a desert elf.

[Sokotra]

On the other hand, aren't there tribes that have members that travel frequently.. whether it be for trading or raiding or whatever?

[spicemustflow]

SLK did have enough players to provide a decent amount of interaction, and it seemed that those players lasted for quite a while, I was hoping there some other tribe is the same. Anyway, I'll bother the imms to grant me access to the docs so I could make up my mind. It's not that solo RP makes my skin crawl, but to that for a rl week would be too much.

[Winterless]

From what I've seen the Red Fangs, Sun Runners, and Sand Jakhals have been the most active lately. But like others have said, it's an ebb and flow.

[Forest Junkie]

I wish the Silt Wind were still open

[palomar]

The Akei'ta Var have a deep and rather distinct set of beliefs that revolve around nature, yes. To call them treehuggers is oversimplifying it really. I'll try to go into this as much as possible without going IC:

The Akei view Zalanthas as a sort of living, breathing entity that grows/shrinks in direct proportion to the amount its inhabitants takes from it. They believe in balance of a sort, and seek to keep said balance from being tipped by outsiders. This too is oversimplifying the Akei to some extent. I suggest emailing staff to get a view at the docs. Reading things for yourself will give you a better understanding of what they're all about.

Well put, I agree with it all.

[Elgiva]

I would like to chime in and agree with Dakurus. If you hate solo-rp, d-elves might not be the best for you. The important thing to remember is that one tribe might be full of PCs one week and it might be absolutely empty next week. It's more usual than you might think, really. (Indeed, it works other way as well - one week empty tribe is full of PCs soon after.)

To give some answer too: I believe SLK and Red Fangs is little more active lately. AFAIK Sun Runners are mostly active during European peaks and I think Akei'ta Var is in low numbers PC-wise right now. But I really think it's better to pick a tribe according to what you want to play than what is a current number of PCs playing in said clan.

[Sokotra]

On the other hand, aren't there tribes that have members that travel frequently.. whether it be for trading or raiding or whatever?

This was a question, if nobody caught that.. or I was probably just being ignored.  Heh.  

So... which tribes do the roaming and raiding or have members that do that sort of thing?  For those of us that don't like sitting around and thinking/emoting about nature or escru or when the next chat around the campfire is going to be.

[spicemustflow]

Red Fangs are all over the known. Don't know about the others.

[FiveDisgruntledMonkeysWit]

ATV could definitely use more players.
Speaking more generally, there's definitely pluses and minuses to joining a clan or tribe with few players versus one with many players.
Obviously, on the minus side, a tribe with few players means less PC-to-PC interaction.
On the plus side, if you join a tribe or clan with only two or three active players, you'll be making a bigger impact than one with ten active players. There will be more roles available, and more things for your character to do. For example, I once joined a fairly active tribe as a Vivaduan-shaman figure. I was all excited to make water and heal people and get all mystic and stuff. Except when I got in-game, I found that somebody else was playing that exact same role... and was better than my character at it, of course, because he'd been doing it for longer. Suddenly my guy became Captain Redundant the Extraneous, and I had a hard time enjoying the role.
My point is, tribal roles rock in general. You really can't go wrong.

[Forest Junkie]

So... which tribes do the roaming and raiding or have members that do that sort of thing?

That would depend on the player in question. Many of the tribes have been known to raid in the past..

For those of us that don't like sitting around and thinking/emoting about nature or escru or when the next chat around the campfire is going to be.

Lay off.

[Elgiva]

You're saying that DS and SR have more players?

Not right now. But two three irl weeks ago...

[Forest Junkie]

>You leap into a chasm, doing unspeakable damage to your neck and everyone following you!

[Dakurus]

On the other hand, aren't there tribes that have members that travel frequently.. whether it be for trading or raiding or whatever?

This was a question, if nobody caught that.. or I was probably just being ignored.  Heh.  

So... which tribes do the roaming and raiding or have members that do that sort of thing?  For those of us that don't like sitting around and thinking/emoting about nature or escru or when the next chat around the campfire is going to be.

There are no tribes whose purpose it is to roam the world willy nilly at their nature because they get bored easy or need an excuse to do whatever and go whereever they like. The tribes that have been most often played this way in the past were those without significant documentation, which allowed people to justify their random actions, or those tribes without a coded camp (basically a territory). Some of these tribes are dead, closed, and some have been given more documentation and in some cases camps. There are certain tribes who have stronger specific focus on trade with settlements, this provides a way for the tribe to prosper, and a reason for escorting said traders on visits to those pits. However it should be just that, trips. Even tribes that tend to be more nomadic in nature would be nomadic in specific cycles, much like you see in the human tribal camps. They can't just go into any other place, as that would infringe on other territorial rights, which would cause issues.
It's about your tribe, who they are, what they do, where they live and that's where the focus of play should be.

[Kyviantre]

AFAIK Sun Runners are mostly active during European peaks and I think Akei'ta Var is in low numbers PC-wise right now.

During my wanderings, I've seen one Sun Runner (or at least, they claimed to be one), two/three other Soh's, and one person that ran away.  That is bias towards who is around in my area of the world, mind you, and the SR camp could be jumping (as could everyone else's camps!)

My plan was to pick a few tribes that I liked the sound of (I was all up for Sun Runner/Sand Jakhal action), and then poke about the forums until you find someone willing to tell you more (or in my case, get grabbed by Forest Junkie, sense smacked into me, and told that Soh was best), and if you like what they're saying, and they at least have similar playtimes (or know one of their tribe that does), you're golden.

[Elgiva]

AFAIK Sun Runners are mostly active during European peaks and I think Akei'ta Var is in low numbers PC-wise right now.

During my wanderings, I've seen one Sun Runner (or at least, they claimed to be one), two/three other Soh's, and one person that ran away.  That is bias towards who is around in my area of the world, mind you...

Oh yeah, it's hard to see that sneaky sharp-eared bastards out in wastes. 

[Kyviantre]

Oh yeah, it's hard to see that sneaky sharp-eared bastards out in wastes. 

Is if you're not hiding in the wastes with them 

[Fnord]

One thing I'll add about solo RP as a d-elf: you do have the tribe's docs to guide your RP. In other words, if you don't have tribe mates to play with for a time, you can explore the tribal docs and try to use them when developing your character's personality and interactions with others. Personally, I find that a fun opportunity. It's must better when you can actually experience the tribal dynamic with a few other PCs, but at least you've got something to work with when it's slow.

I've met Red Fangs, Soh, and Sun Runners in game as of late...

[Tisiphone]

Do the Red Fangs have a coded camp one can pick from the APoK?

[spicemustflow]

No, but the good thing is, you're basically free to roam the world at will . Join.

[Sokotra]

Just as long as it's not done "willy nilly".  I'm sure there are good reasons to do so without being "willy nilly".  Heh. 

[spicemustflow]

well, I don't want to share too much about their customs and ways, the Red Fangs being secretive and all, but willy nilly is not too far fetched .

[Winterless]

Do the Red Fangs have a coded camp one can pick from the APoK?

No, the usual point for a D-Elf (I could be wrong) is the Blackwing Outpost. Where the "camp" is "located" is in the docs though... available if you start a Red Fang. Just ask the imm for the docs if they were/are not made readily available to your new Red Fang... or old Red Fang for that matter.

[spawnloser]

The best tribes as far as depth of documentation and just plain awesomeness are SLK, Sun Runners and ATV.  If you'll be the only one, well, it's gotta start somewhere.  You can still interact with other people without having other tribe members, but if everyone said, "I don't want to be alone in that clan so I won't join it," there'd be noone in some clans ever again just because noone's willing to get the ball rolling.  Play the one that you want to play, no matter what anyone else is playing.

[Malken]

It's a good feeling when you start alone in a clan and the Staff of that clan emails you months later asking you to stop being so awesome because everyone is app'ing to be in your clan and play with you

[mattrious]

To those of you who are thinking about playing a D-elf for the first time or even some of you who are currently playing one. This is some great documentation in regards to D-elves and City-elves for that matter. It is even a great refresher as well, granted it is a bit dated but I still think it is very useful.

http://www.armageddon.org/rp/racial/elf.html

- matt.