Teach

[Marauder Moe]

Maybe there should be a teaching skill.

[Maso]

Maybe there should be a teaching skill.

I think thats going a bit far.

[Gimfalisette]

Maybe there should be a teaching skill.

Actually I think that's a cool idea.

But other than that, I really agree with Hymwen and bloodfromstone. Actually being able to learn something through "teach" would be a huge relief from the constant spar spar spar monotony of clans like the Byn. And I just love it when there's a master of a skill teaching me, or when I'm the master and RPing that out. It's good RP that ought to be better supported, code-wise.

[spawnloser]

Maybe there should be a teaching skill.

Actually I think that's a cool idea.

But other than that, I really agree with Hymwen and bloodfromstone. Actually being able to learn something through "teach" would be a huge relief from the constant spar spar spar monotony of clans like the Byn. And I just love it when there's a master of a skill teaching me, or when I'm the master and RPing that out. It's good RP that ought to be better supported, code-wise.

I, too, agree with this sentiment.  I've avoided playing military roles in military clans for the reason that I DON'T want to endlessly spar with people just so that I can have the skills desired of someone that has been part of a military organization.  I play aides and bards, magickers and non-combatant leaders instead.  If I knew that I wouldn't have to spar for most of my play time, I would be (and I suspect others like me would be too) more likely to play these sorts of roles.

Also, there have been times that I've been on the receiving end of an RP'd teaching session and waited for the 'teach' command to be used but it wasn't by the other person.  Really, I think the 'teach' command is one of the commands used far less than it should be.  Perhaps this is due to the perceived lack of effectiveness in the usage of the 'teach' command?

[jhunter]

The only issue I've noticed with it is people being OOCly stingy with it. If you rp out teaching someone...use the coded command as well. If I've spent time roleplaying a lesson on something, I use the coded command to back it up. It has always bugged me and seemed kind of cheesy when I see someone take the time to rp out a training session but -never- use the coded teach command.

[Synthesis]

A long time ago, there was a certain former-Byn Kadian Sergeant/Lieutenant who used teach as part of a regular system of training for his recruits.  Partially as a consequence of this, this clan was -the- clan to join for a long time, until overconfidence got the best of them.  (Also as a consequence, every warrior in the game was sporting a pair of hammers.)

If you want to keep the people in your clan happy, you have to satisfy their players' desires for advancement, both skills and otherwise.  There's just no way around it.  Use the teach command.

[X-D]

Besides, What exactly is wrong with people joining up because they know Joe badass can help them become Slightly badass in shorter time?

I mean, Are you going to go to a school where it takes 4 years to earn your degree and few people will hire you with a degree from that school because the graduates are average or below?

OR

To a school where you can earn the degree in 2 years and people make you offers when you graduate because graduates from that school are tops in their field?

I also agree with Jhunter, I've seen that way too many times.

And why exactly do so many people act as if your PC having a desire to better himself is a bad thing?

[Malken]

I'd rather have a workable 'teach' command and a good leader that can teach me rather than having to find cheesy excuses to go and kill endless waves of verrin hawks to become the warrior that I'm supposed to be.

I won't even talk about the poor rangers and assassins who need to go and spend weeks on rats before they can even kill anything else.

[a strange shadow]

I'd rather have a workable 'teach' command and a good leader that can teach me rather than having to find cheesy excuses to go and kill endless waves of verrin hawks to become the warrior that I'm supposed to be.

I won't even talk about the poor rangers and assassins who need to go and spend weeks on rats before they can even kill anything else.

QFMFT.

[Hot_Dancer]

The teach command doesn't sound any more effective than managing a gain through use. If anything it may be underpowered, so maybe more liberal use could develop if certain criteria per teacher is met.

[Oasis]

I always thought it'd be nice if the player who did the teaching could see whether or not it worked, too.

[John]

the fact that you can't "teach" a language actually discourages a good, interactive RP session in favor of just listening to the teacher natter on in the language.

Exactly. I've had people say "just start talking" when I've tried to teach them a language, and I've also felt like I was cheating them out of an actual lesson when I taught people properly.

From the helpfile:

Teaching only allows one to impart the 'basics' of a skill to someone;
if they have already mastered the basics, then they must proceed to 'hands
on' learning to gain additional insight.

That has definately been my experience.  It really is just the basics.  That said, for that purpose, I've found it fairly useful on both sides.

And yet magickers and merchants, who could definitely benefit from learning the basics of combat, can't learn it. Very discouraging. Although on the upside, the helpfile was wrong

I'd rather see combat-heavy clans train their members in combat-heavy ways than see teach used all over the place.

I've always felt the roleplayed lessons were much more informative for me then letting the combat code just run (with emotes thrown in).

[Rindan]

I could be full of shit, but I imagine that the 'teach' command has the same learning caps that all other skills.  In other words, spamming teach is about as effective as sparring someone for three days.  It does nothing.

Personally, when I am in the position to teach, I am pretty liberal with using it.  I don't mind using it in non-traditional places either. I recall once that an elven pick pocket of mine got fed up with some little punk kid failing at pick pocketing people.  Being an elf and loving to show off his mastery of pick pocketing, he belittled the round ears for a little while, and then let him in on some basic pointers.  After I was done, I dropped a 'teach'.

I think people are too paranoid with the command.  From my experience it really does not seem all that powerful.  If you see a place to use it, go ahead.  You are very unlikely to turn a merchant into a swirling cloud of pwn4g3 d00m.

[Grey Area]

For leaderish type players, teach saves a lot of time and frustration for everyone concerned even if you merely use it  to get new characters from 'completely incapable' to 'moderately incompetent ' right off the bat. A few days of RPed training sessions in essential skills when they first join up tends to do the trick, before sending them off to work.

[Fathi]

I could be full of shit, but I imagine that the 'teach' command has the same learning caps that all other skills.  In other words, spamming teach is about as effective as sparring someone for three days.  It does nothing.

Personally, when I am in the position to teach, I am pretty liberal with using it.  I don't mind using it in non-traditional places either. I recall once that an elven pick pocket of mine got fed up with some little punk kid failing at pick pocketing people.  Being an elf and loving to show off his mastery of pick pocketing, he belittled the round ears for a little while, and then let him in on some basic pointers.  After I was done, I dropped a 'teach'.

I think people are too paranoid with the command.  From my experience it really does not seem all that powerful.  If you see a place to use it, go ahead.  You are very unlikely to turn a merchant into a swirling cloud of pwn4g3 d00m.

In a similar vein, I don't see anything wrong with using 'teach' when you don't have a huge, involved individual lesson. Sure, if you've got the time, involved one-on-one lessons are more fun to RP, but if you're just trying to make sure that everyone in your party can follow you along--or even just lag behind a bit less--when you're about to ride out, I see no problem with giving a lecture to the group at large and giving an individual 'teach dude ride' to everyone present.

It's not like that one 'teach dude ride' is going to take someone with newbish riding skill and make them death on a kank.

[X-D]

Just less likely to be dead on a kank..


Sorry, had to do it.

[flurry]

This is one of those topics where everyone has their anecdotal evidence, but it doesn't always mesh up.  (I felt the same way in the topic about the abundance of magickers).

Over the few years I've played, I've been on either end of the teach command several times with a variety of different skills.  A few times I got some kind of failure message, but most of the time it worked fine.

Of course, I'm all for it being reviewed/improved as part of the development of A2.

[Krath]

Teach works fine. I will not go into the mechanics, but trust me, it works like it should.

[Greve]

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[spawnloser]

Krath, without access to the code, I have it on good authority that you are not a good authority.

[Morgenes]

With access to the code, I can say that teach is working as the staff intends it to.

[Tisiphone]

With access to Morgenes, I am sure that teach is working as the staff intends.

I don't happen to agree with the intention, but I see its reason. Ah, well.

[Greve]

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[ale six]

with access to the gdb, i am sure that you are sure that teach may or may not be working as the staff indetennd it to work or not