Mul Mix. :)

[Vesperas]

ANOTHER TOPIC ON IT! NOOOO!

Sorry, I'm bored and characterless and its 1am... anyhow:


In the documents, on the boards, and through heresay in the game, I've heard mul mix talked about like it was cheaper than dirt.  So common and cheap, in fact, that even those rinther prostitutes can afford to buy a hoard of the stuff, and the poorest of the poor will never have to worry about "Oops" occuring.

Yet, when I've seen it actually sold (as a real object) it isn't really THAT cheap.  I mean, sure, its cheap.. but not cheap enough that I imagine every poor feck can go out and get some whenever they feel the need.


I'm not looking to start some grand psychological or economical discussion here.  It's just something I've seen and wondered about.  I never did like the excuse that because mulmix existed, everyone in the Known World had maximum control over whether or not they got pregnant, and this observation on top of that fact perplexes me.     I'm sure someone has some cool explaination.

[Manhattan]

i suggest ppl roleplaying that the spermatazoa didnt get thru to fertilization, instead of cheating and using contraceptives....cos you're right mul-mix shouldnt be THAT readily available to rinth trash.

btw, MUL MIX IS AN ACTUAL CODED OBJECT IN GAME? WHOAAAAA YOU MUST SHOW ME WHERE.

[SpyGuy]

You can also assume that the mix isn't like normal birth control.  It could be used every few weeks just to kill any embryo that may have been fertilized.  Herbal abortion drugs were known in a few ancient cultures if I remember right.

[Vesperas]

i suggest ppl roleplaying that the spermatazoa didnt get thru to fertilization, instead of cheating and using contraceptives....cos you're right mul-mix shouldnt be THAT readily available to rinth trash.

btw, MUL MIX IS AN ACTUAL CODED OBJECT IN GAME? WHOAAAAA YOU MUST SHOW ME WHERE.

Mulmix is the ultimate cop-out.

Yeah, that's right.  I'm talking about you, you copper-outers.


Anyhow, anyone can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here about mulmix being an actual item.  I can't list the price I believe I saw it at, but it wasn't even a reasonable price for most commoners (little alone rinthers) to be able to afford every single time.

I do like the idea of Zalanthas humans just not being as fertile as Earth humans... and elves/dwarves/half-giants, well... they are on their own.  Gith probably eat their babies, so they're covered.



Edited to avoid double-posting:
I guess it would be easier to see it as a once-in-a-while-wipe-out thing, financially.  Still rubs me the wrong way, regardless.  ^.-

[Delirium]

I don't think it's a cop-out to be unwilling to RP pregnancy.  Some players just aren't comfortable with it.

I don't personally have a problem with it, though I haven't ever done it.

More on topic, mul-mix is not cheap, but it isn't prohibitively expensive, either.

It's reasonable for most commoners to be able to afford it.  Rinthi, maybe not.

[Vesperas]

I don't think it's a cop-out to be unwilling to RP pregnancy.  Some players just aren't comfortable with it.

I was being silly with that statement.  

[ale six]

If I have a PC who's having sex regularly, I sometimes cop out and say she's virtually taking the mix every morning, and will carry a bit around on me as a prop and junk/re buy it every RL week or so.

If my pc is not regularly getting down and taking mix, I'll either RP taking it, or else roll a dice to see if the 'unprotected' sex results in pregnancy.

Usually that dice roll starts off as a 50-50 chance, and then I'll add modifiers like what time of the month it is (I usually pick near their birthday to be when my PCs are most fertile), what kind of health my PC is in, and so on. Sometimes, but not always, I'll do the roll even if my PC IS using mul mix, because it isn't supposed to be perfect, except then I usually make the base chance 10 or 20 percent instead of fifty.

So far my PCs have all been "lucky" and the rolls I make all turn up negative. Ironically, it's usually when they decide they WANT to have children that they end up dying (3 out of 4 so far).

One other thing about mul mix - I've been under the idea that it is supposed to taste really really bad. Does anyone else ever roleplay that?

[bloodfromstone]

I do like the idea of Zalanthas humans just not being as fertile as Earth humans.

Personally, I'd think they would be MORE fertile, given the amount of babies that likely die before age uno, but that's just me.
As far as the mix, I've pretty damn cheap everywhere I've seen it sold. A couple of my PCs have carried it, and I think people should, whenever possible. I'm okay with virtualizing it now and then, but it would be a lot funnier to make your man walk to the store to get some.

[Hymwen]

You can always try asking your local herbalist about mul mix.

[InsertCleverNameHere]

Anyhow, anyone can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here about mulmix being an actual item.  I can't list the price I believe I saw it at, but it wasn't even a reasonable price for most commoners (little alone rinthers) to be able to afford every single time.

No, you aren't wrong. It's there, real coded mix, for real coded coins. And I personally think if my female PCs are having real (coded?) mudsex, they should be prepared, either with that cheap little packet, or a realistic dice roll (or coin flip if I'm lazy) on if there's any bun in the oven afterwords.
And I've always seen it as exceedingly cheap so.. Um... Dang.
Exactly how often are you getting busy that you can't afford it every single time?  :shock:  Don't answer that! Sex fiends.  :wink: Still. Unless your out makin' like bunnies and forgetting there's a whole wide virtual world out there.. I imagine your average grebber, miner, sifter ought to be able to afford enough to cover their asses regularly, unless they're also a crazed nympho. :roll:

One other thing about mul mix - I've been under the idea that it is supposed to taste really really bad. Does anyone else ever roleplay that?

*grin* Try tasting/smelling it IG, you'll get a hard-coded answer to this theory. And can play accordingly.

**edited because I turned into a smily emoticon-using freak at 1am.

[Ghost]

They are not that cheap.  But they are cheaper than almost all of the food stuff on the grocery.  They taste shitty.  They are not ultimate solution to the pregnancy, but still, it is your character, your play, your game, your fun.  So if you would prefer not being pregnant, you could assume it works.

[John]

I think it'd be cool if magickers (Krathies?) had a "abort fetus" spell. Or if you don't want something quite so controversial, a "make barren for time X" with the small chance of an unskilled practitioner causing someone to become permanently sterile (or sterile until they go and get healed by a Vivaduan).

[ale six]

I think it'd be cool if magickers (Krathies?) had a "abort fetus" spell.

KRATHI?

I'm sure they -could- do that...

"You feel a sudden burning sensation in your abdomen, as if your insides were on fire."

:shock:


Personally I think it'd be in the Vivadu realm.

[John]

Personally I think it'd be in the Vivadu realm.

I tend to think of Vivaduans as "healers" and "creators" (whether or not thats justified I don't know). I can't imagine someone whose magick is oriented towards healing, destroying a fetus (as it is technically a natural state, so I believe wouldn't register as a disease or anything to heal).

And yeah, that's exactly the sort of echo I imagined

[ale six]

Personally I think it'd be in the Vivadu realm.

I tend to think of Vivaduans as "healers" and "creators" (whether or not thats justified I don't know). I can't imagine someone whose magick is oriented towards healing, destroying a fetus (as it is technically a natural state, so I believe wouldn't register as a disease or anything to heal).

Without going too IC into Viv abilities, there've been other threads on this, and the consensus is that vivaduans are not all happy healing, creating, life-giving white-mages. Their element is the element of life, which they can either give or take away.

If nothing else, a vivaduan could just perform a very primitive surgery to remove a fetus, not caring how messy it is, because she can just heal the damage later. Whether a mother would still be fertile after such an operation is up for debate.

I've heard people IG speaking of going to the Viv temple to "fix" problems like this, too.

[Cenghiz]

Having witnessed nearly all of the spells of vivaduan spells, I should say:

1. Vivaduans are not "Let me heal you then give a kiss on your forehead." mages. There are hints in the general helpfiles.

2. I believe they're perfectly suitable for such work - abortion. Of course with immortal interaction to have the failure changes reflected.

... And.. mul mix is.. cheap.. How may a man/woman who can not afford such a cheap stuff may become a mate? We are speaking about something really cheap, compared to any other needs your character has.

[Pantoufle]

Mul mix is like tooth-whitening toothpaste: it doesn't actually work, it's a scam.  So whether it's 2 'sid or 200, you're still an idiot for buying into their mass marketing hype  :lol:

[TheGivingTree]

If the mods were suddenly stuck by an etheral beam of light (equivalence to the old saying, "When Pigs fly!" But hey, you'd never know... random things tend to occur more often these days. Like... umm.. alien abductions! O.O) and decide on makin' people roleplay pregnancy. You'd be thinkin' twice about fornication and the process of buyin' that stuff!  

[spawnloser]

John, you think those that's magicks are oriented on the physical well-being of your body don't have the power to affect it in both positive AND negative manners?  Why wouldn't Krathi's have the ability to put out a fire, to be honest?  Why shouldn't those that control the wind be able to calm the wind as well as excite it?

Why can't vivaduans prevent pregnancy?

[TheGivingTree]

If the mods were suddenly stuck by an etheral beam of light (equivalence to the old saying, "When Pigs fly!" But hey, you'd never know... random things tend to occur more often these days. Like... umm.. alien abductions! O.O) and decide on makin' people roleplay pregnancy. You'd be thinkin' twice about fornication and the process of buyin' that stuff!  

Ah nuts... http://www.armageddon.org/general/pregnancy.html, so it does exist, but luckily it's not ENFORCED! O__O Rawr... so them pigs haven't gotten wings yet. I hope not... T.T Alas, Mul-mix ain't 100% fail safe.

Giving birth is a very messy business.� Some players chose the option of giving birth while offline (virtually). If you do chose to RP out the birth, bear in mind that Zalathas has no painkillers, though the prodigious use of spice and or alcohol may be considered. The experience will be messy and painful and you will most likely want to have either a PC or VNPC midwife present.

I find that prospect too amusing to bare witness. Ha! (Which literally means that I'm shrugging my shoulders saying, "Umm... pancakes!") If one can rp a mother with child... Bravo! You have my instant applaude and admiration.

[Nao]

Also keep in mind that the chance of getting pregnant even without contraception is pretty small - you're only fertile for a limited number of days per month and even if fertilization happens, that only leads to having a living child in one fourth of all cases - it usually ends before you even know you're pregnant.

I can also see a lot of women counting the days since their last period or men just withdrawing - not safe, sure, but it still decreases the chance of getting pregnant.

[Aldiel]

The guy or gal who pays for the night with the prostitute buys the mul mix.

[Angela Christine]

Not Viv, Nilazi.  Make the baby Not Exist.  No messy clean-up that way.



Angela Christine

[2Lazy2LoginShaL]

Don't we have a physician subguild?

Yeppers we do. It's been idead that they be the abortionists and that when performing the abortion (much like bandage) you have the chance of botching the shit up.

Strap the legs up, use a nice thing needle knife and VOILA - no more baby... no more baby making ability if they botch it up good. :-D


ShaLeah

[Pantoufle]

The Ancient Eyptians invented a drink which aborted an unwanted fetus.  It was made of spoiled milk and alligator dung.

[Cale_Knight]

The Ancient Eyptians invented a drink which aborted an unwanted fetus.  It was made of spoiled milk and alligator dung.

The wonders of trial and error.

"Ok, ok. So rat turds and alligator dung didn't do anything. Neither did spoiled milk and donkey piss. Now we're going to try spoiled milk and alligator dung. We think we have a winner here!"

[Yang]

The scientific method may or may not have come into play when the old physician/doctors of ancient times discovered what works and what doesn't. I'm not going to say 'oh the scientific method may not have been needed at certain times through history'. But I'm not really one to believe that there weren't 'other' ways to find things out, ways which those following scientific methods exclude as preposterous, these days..


Anyhow, aside from that, getting pregnant is not always easy at all. Every man and woman is different, and some are infertile or barren, in some cases its the man, others the woman, sometimes both. Some just have a weak seed or a weak egg. Sometimes it depends on the reproduction cycle. There's enough stuff going on with each pairing that unprotected sex or sex without birth control doesn't necessarily mean pregnancy at all!


Now, STDs on the other hand... Beware!

[TheGivingTree]

Lover's Bleed! Weeee! Nasty-nasty in-game std.  :shock:  When a noble is pissing blood, I'm sure that'll raise a few eyebrows. ^.^

Aye, the scientific method is just an explaination to what we've been doin since the advent of the human race. O.o Like the wheel! Caveman #1: *grunt* "Block Number 2 not rolling!" *Smash*

[naatok]

As a naughty monkey, I encourage those who play a female to develop a sense of their character's menstrual cycle....that is...unless there is some IC persepctive on humanoids in Zalanthas not having menstruation, but having the similar heat cycle like most other sexual animals in the real world.  *shrug*

That would be sorta cool, actually.  Especially when my character is sitting in a bar and some lass struts in and starts cooing, and rubbing her backside against all the males and furniture in the place!   :twisted:

Sorry!  Ahem!  *points to himself*  Can't help it.  Naughty Monkey here.

Anyway, on another note of reduced fertility mentioned earlier in the thread:  If Zalanthan humans were much less fertile than earth humans, there wouldn't be any fucking humans (literally) in Zalanthas anymore!  Think of the survival rate people!  How many characters have you had that have LIVED to breed or even go through the motions of breeding?

Of course....some people play more..um...randy characters than others, but still.  If you play a pc whose life had any sort of danger or intrigue for six Zalanthan years, I'd say you were doing quite well keeping a character alive!

[Hymwen]

I encourage those who play a female to develop a sense of their character's menstrual cycle

I really, really don't want to do that. It's not something I particularly enjoy in real life, and in the game, it's something I treat the same way as going to the bathroom: something I assume happens when I'm not online, and something I ignore when I am.

Besides, I'm pretty sure most Zalanthans go commando, and I don't want to see the result of that coupled with having my PC having her period. :|

[Only He Stands There]

Basic background on the "periods" thing:
http://www.zalanthas.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=16472&start=0

http://www.zalanthas.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6270&start=0


Also, as for commando... I really don't see a problem with playing that you're wearing some worn-out, tattered sandcloth/linen smallclothes below all your armor or clothing. Until there's an "undershirt"/"underpants" wearloc, which I really don't wanna see, I don't think there should be a problem with it.

And yes, I know that there are thong/etc objects in-game.

[LauraMars]

My character is the proud wearer of virtual panties.

[jhunter]

My character is the proud wearer of virtual panties.

So am I!

I mean...uh...so is mine...

[Kalden]

If only mul mix was easily available to those willing to pay for the coded object - I would RP out using it then and factor it into my expenses.

[Only He Stands There]

But... it -is-, at least in Allanak and Tuluk, and fairly inexpensive in each.

Look around, and "view" a few items. It's not hard to stumble across. Hint: it's under 10 sids.

[ale six]

I think Zalanthans do wear undergarments. They just magickally disappear whenever you want to get down to mudsex, unless the ones you're wearing are coded.

[Maybe42or54]

I think most of them don't wear very much armor and wear very loose clothing.

[Angela Christine]

I believe in virtual underwear.  But remember:  No elastic waistbands, much less spandex support panels.  So you are probably looking at things that tie like string bikinis.  More elaborate garments might have drawstrings.

Once you have underwear, you have the problem of clean underwear.  It doesn't take much water to wash underwear.  However, if you have a secure location you might try alternating two pairs to make them last longer between washings.  Wear one pair for a day, then hang it to air out for a day.  Stuffing it in a backpack won't work, you need to hang it in a location with some air circulation.  Outdoors in the wind would be even better.

If your undergarments are leather you might not want to wash them at all.  Instead you could scrape them with a hide scraper or leather working tool, and then hang them to air.


Angela Christine

[John]

But... it -is-, at least in Allanak and Tuluk, and fairly inexpensive in each.

Add Luir's to the list of places as well.

[Cenghiz]

Add Luir's to the list of places as well.

Add Red Storm, too... If I'm not mistaken.. I remember it was cheaper in Red Storm that mul-mix is was in Allanak about a year ago, too.. (Not so sure.. The character a year ago had a lot of MUDsex with VNPCs and PCs in many places. I remember having sex even in Cenyr, but not so sure if I bought the mul-mix there or took it there from somewhere else.)

And I repeat, it _is_ available and it _is_ cheap.. It's a herbal mix. It's sold where herbs are sold/bought. Just please look for it.

[Bebop]

I don't think it's a cop out, some people don't want to play pregnancy.  And for alot of people it really isn't easy to get pregnant, they aren't going to get knocked up everytime there is a slip.  As well, mul mix is pretty cheap.  And you have to remember the stores available to PCs are not the only stores that are really in Zalanthas.  There are going to be cheaper versions, off brands that rinthers have stolen and will sell for cheap.  I have never seen mul mix that pricy, in fact I have seen it very cheap.  (I guess I shouldn't say how cheap.) Anyway, it's there, and technically some good herbalists would even be able to make it for themselves.  I definitely don't think it's a cop out, but I do think it would be readily available. And even lucrative to some NPCs, even if they don't sell it for more then two sids, for a packet, that buyer is going to need multiple packets.  Multiple people buying multiple packets that an elf stole for zero.  I would think mul mix would be very easily attainable.  And if an NPC or PC has to decide between three sid for mul mix or feeding a child, I think they are going to scrounge of the three sid for some mix.

[Bebop]

Also I do not wear virtual underwear.

[Flaming Ocotillo]

As a naughty monkey, I encourage those who play a female to develop a sense of their character's menstrual cycle

Here I was, just reading all the old threads, when I stumbled upon this EX-STAFF MEMBER's line.

This has to be the single stupidest suggestion I've heard from anyone on the GDB.

Any woman who felt even for 0.0001 seconds like her RP was inadequate or she was doing something wrong by not RPing her character's menstrual cycle.. I say shame on you, Naatok. Shame on you.

I don't consider this post a flame. I consider it a public service to the community by placing that quote in a state of quarantine.

[MorganChaos]

Yeah. I don't play my PC's period. I just assume she has it. There's a folded over bit of linen in her pants catching it, and when she goes home to sleep she'll clean it out with a tiyn bit of water from a cup she uses for the purpose. The only reason I'll play my PC's period is if I'm on my period, IRL, and feeling particularly sadistic.

Chances are extremely high that you have seen mul mix ingame. You just didn't know it, cause you didn't look hard enough. And also, I got the idea that one packet could be good for a few doses.